Peyton Manning's Legacy

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2 super bowl losses by 14 or more points and an under .500 record in the postseason.
 

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Most playoff losses by a quarterback in NFL history, and a guy who rode a hot d to his only ring despite an abysmal post season. He's a great qb, but he is ineligible to be the greatest.
 

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Those mad gesticulations would never lead to a safety on the first play of a Super Bowl.
 

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Bill Barnwell will correct us tomorrow.
 
He'll tell us that not even Joe Montana and the 49ers of yore could have dealt with the Seahawk D, and it wasn't Peyton's fault. 
 
But fuck that.
 
Before it was 43-8. it was 0-0, and Peyton had all his toys ready to go and wreck havoc on the "Hawks and the record books.
 
And he did, Play-off Peyton set the SB record for meaningless 5 yard passes in a blow-out.
 
Nice going Peyton
 

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Kept waiting for him to take off that helmet to reveal that Lord Voldemort was living in the back of his head.
 
Manning's career I think will be remembered similar to Dan Marino's. Marino and Manning both had the stats to make a case for being the GOAT, but if examined their post-season performances they would come up short. Manning really has all of the traits you could want in a QB, expect the cooler then cool mentality when things get rough. Montana, Brady, Unitas and Elway all had that, Manning just doesn't have it.
 

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Sometimes I think we get carried away. He's one of the best QBs of all time. He had a bad game. I thought he would. It's just one game. He struggled against the best defense in the NFL. His entire team played like crap.
 

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Top five QB to ever play the game. Might not get the number one spot if he ends up stuck at one ring. I had him slightly ahead of Brady on the all time great list before the season and still do now, but both are in the top five for me.
 

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Brady in 5 Super Bowls:  126-197 (64.0%), 1277 yds, 6.5 ypa, 9 td, 2 int, 3 wins, 2 losses (by a combined 7 points on two last-minute TD drives by the opposition)
Manning in 3 Super Bowls:  90-132 (68.2%), 860 yds, 6.5 ypa, 3 td, 4 int, 1 win, 2 losses (by a combined 49 points)
 

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That's a factor, but its eight games out of a lot. Pretty close, hard to differentiate at the no doubt first ballot all time pantheon great level of QBng
 

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Stitch01 said:
That's a factor, but its eight games out of a lot. Pretty close, hard to differentiate at the no doubt first ballot all time pantheon great level of QBng
It's really not that hard to differentiate Brady v Manning's post-season record.
 
Manning's post-season record or stats are not those of a GOAT.
 
He's just not as good in the post-season.
 

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What happened tonight that this game was such a blowout?
I thought Manning seemed unprepared for the loud crowd- very pro-Seattle based on the TV audio.
The Harvin return was a combination of bad ST execution and bad coaching.
The 2 INTs and the failed fourth down conversion came when Manning was hit or the ball was tipped. And the Bronco defense did a decent job stopping the run but was not ready for Wilson's roll outs and scrambles.

Manning didn't play well today but he wasn't epically terrible. His team was much worse than he was.
 

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Caspir said:
Most playoff losses by a quarterback in NFL history, and a guy who rode a hot d to his only ring despite an abysmal post season. He's a great qb, but he is ineligible to be the greatest.
 
Not sure how much stock you put in betting lines, but I'm reasonably certain his teams have been favored in every single one of his playoff games. Not 100% sure about the 2 losses in Foxboro, but I remember them being the favorite in both, and the massive chip on the shoulder of the Pats going into them because of it.
 

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Stitch01 said:
That's a factor, but its eight games out of a lot. Pretty close, hard to differentiate at the no doubt first ballot all time pantheon great level of QBng
 
Take a look at their numbers by playing surface and stadium type and let us whether you still feel this is close.
 

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Stitch01 said:
That's a factor, but its eight games out of a lot. Pretty close, hard to differentiate at the no doubt first ballot all time pantheon great level of QBng
For their careers, both have some amazing stats. But Brady has an absolutely amazing 2.0% Int rate and Peyton has a respectable but not otherworldly 2.6%, and that's somewhat reflected in big games.

It's not that Brady stumbled into luck in a couple of big games; he always took care of the ball in a manner that's both underrated in the regular season and overrated (if it's flukily different) in the postseason.

But Peyton is still clearly top 10 of all time.
 

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The difference between playoff Manning and Brady is that Manning has a lot of bad playoff losses. Losses at home to teams that they were favored to beat. With the exception of the Jets game (and maybe SB 43), Brady really does not have a lot of those.
 

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bankshot1 said:
It's really not that hard to differentiate Brady v Manning's post-season record.
 
Manning's post-season record or stats are not those of a GOAT.
 
He's just not as good in the post-season.
Stats are really similar to Brady's. Brady's record is better obviously, but i still think Brady has been an all time great since 2005 when his playoff record has been mediocre and the Pats have lost as favorites five times.

I won't argue that much if you want to put Brady slightly ahead although of Manning although I sort of disagree, and lol media when it comes to the Mannings but their careers are super close value wise.
 

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MoGator71 said:
 
Not sure how much stock you put in betting lines, but I'm reasonably certain his teams have been favored in every single one of his playoff games. Not 100% sure about the 2 losses in Foxboro, but I remember them being the favorite in both, and the massive chip on the shoulder of the Pats going into them because of it.
Pats were favored in the AFC championship game, by 3.  Dunno about the next year.
 

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The difference between Manning and Favre is that Peyton picked a better second team. 
 

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Kliq said:
The difference between playoff Manning and Brady is that Manning has a lot of bad playoff losses. Losses at home to teams that they were favored to beat. With the exception of the Jets game (and maybe SB 43), Brady really does not have a lot of those.
He's had his share of lousy playoff games: Denver '06, San Diego '07 and '08, Baltimore '10, '12, and '13, as well as that Jets game. What he also has is two excellent SB games ('04 and '05), the destruction of an excellent Pitt defense in '05, and the signature drive at the end of the '02 Super Bowl.

He's definitely been better than Manning in the Super Bowl, but their overall playoff numbers are very similar, outside of wins and losses. Brady gets a slight edge in the head to head for his playoff performance, but it's not a huge edge.
 

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MarcSullivaFan said:
He's had his share of lousy playoff games: Denver '06, San Diego '07 and '08, Baltimore '10, '12, and '13, as well as that Jets game. What he also has is two excellent SB games ('04 and '05), the destruction of an excellent Pitt defense in '05, and the signature drive at the end of the '02 Super Bowl.

He's definitely been better than Manning in the Super Bowl, but their overall playoff numbers are very similar, outside of wins and losses. Brady gets a slight edge in the head to head for his playoff performance, but it's not a huge edge.
Slight?
 
Look, when you are in the playoffs you are facing better teams.  You'll score less.  You'll play worse.  Tom Brady _NEVER_ had as bad as Peyton's three worst playoff games.  It's a goddamn joke.  It's a huge edge, not a slight edge.
 

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DO YOU GUYS REMEMBER THAT TIME TOM BRADY BECAME THE BETTER QB JUST BY HAVING SEX WITH GISELE AROUND 6 PM EST
 
Oddly, the Broncos just laid back and took it as well.
 

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Eh. Favre coulda easily won a titlle with the Vikes.
 
Yeah, he cost himself a chance with a bad INT at the end of regulation. He had a chance to run into field goal range but tried to make a "gunslinger" throw and it cost him.
 
And if the Vikings with, either Favre or Manning gets a second Super Bowl win.
 
EDIT: Of course that was Favre's third team.
 

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I mentioned this a couple of years ago, but Manning has been much higher variance in the playoffs than Brady:
 
Avg. QB rating in the playoffs:
Brady: 89.4
Manning: 89.1
 
Standard deviation of QB rating in playoffs:
Brady: 24.6
Manning: 32.7
 
Best five playoff performances by QB rating:
Manning: 158.3, 145.7, 138.7, 123.6, 118.4
Brady: 141.4, 137.6, 130.5, 116.4, 115.0
 
Worst five playoff performances by QB rating:
Manning: 31.2, 35.5, 39.6, 62.3, 69.3
Brady: 49.1, 57.5, 57.6, 62.3, 66.4
 

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Probably 1b (Tied with Brady) for the best football player of his generation. Tonight's game was an abortion, but it's just hard to argue with how good he's been.
 

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CaptainLaddie said:
He's awesome.  Great.  The second best QB ever.
 
So, Brady's third, after Manning and Otto Graham?
 

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The fact Peyton Manning took a team coached by Jim Caldwell to the Super Bowl should count for something.  
 

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Even the NFL Network is shitting on Peyton right now.
 
"This is not good. This is horrible."
 
Not Marshall Faulk.  Apparently nobody to ever play QB could have beaten Seattle today, not Peyton's fault they had his number.