Petri Dish-Combine NBA Players to make Transcendent NBA Players

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In another thread someone made the point that Jalen is an amazing athlete but with limited basketball feel. While GWilliams has great Feel but is limited athletically in the NBA. That made me contemplate what if you could combine them. Be a hell of a player.

So here are the rules.
Take 2 Current Players and combine them. Explain why you feel they would be incredible.
Take 2 historic players and combine them. Explain why you feel they would be incredible.

I will stick with my Jalen Williams example of a current player.
For a historic players I would combine Reggie Miller and Michael Jordan. Reggies Shooting and Michaels drive and finish would be a monster of a player.

So what do have Cellar Dwellers?

Should we have a Ht limitation? Like within 2 inches? Saying Magic and Wilt seems like a copout.
 

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Shaq and Kevin Durant; they are basically the same height anyway.

For current role players; give Seth Curry's shooting mixed with Javonte Green's athleticism.
 

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Larry Bird’s shooting/passing with Giannis’ insane athleticism and body type.
 

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So many options: rather than going with a superstar combo, I’ll go with Marcus Smart’s defense, grit and passing, with Tyler Herro’s outside shot and finishing ability.
I think Smart is a very obvious one to pair. I would go with Trae Young or Devin Booker over Herro, though.

Historically, I would pair Dennis Rodman with a high volume scorer. 'Nique, Kobe, Dr. J or even Luka Doncic fits the bill. Recency bias here, but I would pay a shit ton of money to see a Dennis Doncic player play.
 

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We called this coach Frankenstien, because as coaches we do this all the time, but shouldn't. You need to take what you have in a player and work with it. But, 'If A was as big as B" or "If C could shoot like D" is a pretty common thought process.

to me it would be something simpler Harden on O, Marcus on D.
 

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Legacy:
G: Would give Gary Payton Ray Allen's shooting
Point Forward: Pippen with Bird or Mullin's shooting
Post: Would give Russell either McHale's post moves or the Dream Shake (Olajuwon), can't decide
HM: Nique/Rodman

Current:
PG: Steph Curry O, Marcus Smart D
Point Forward: Would give Simmons Durant's offensive game
Post: Would give Jokic's passing and shooting and personality to Embiid.
 

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Olajuwon combined with Curry.
A 6’11” low post dominator freak athlete with some of the best big man moves and defense the game has ever seen...

who can also dribble like few players in history and has virtually unlimited range.

Yeah I would happily take that guy.

Or am I breaking the rules here?
 

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Akem (or Hakeem) Oneil would be death.
Shaq Bol?
Dana Damon Iverson
 

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Olajuwon combined with Curry.
A 6’11” low post dominator freak athlete with some of the best big man moves and defense the game has ever seen...

who can also dribble like few players in history and has virtually unlimited range.

Yeah I would happily take that guy.

Or am I breaking the rules here?
I was keeping to the two players have to be within 2 inches in height.
 

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Oh I totally overlooked that. I’ll say Steph and Westbrook then. Gimme the ball handling and shooting of Steph with the physicality and willpower of Westbrook.
 

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Shaq and Kevin Durant; they are basically the same height anyway.

For current role players; give Seth Curry's shooting mixed with Javonte Green's athleticism.
You'd take Seth over Steph? Or am I Roethlisbegering it?

EDIT- nevermind, saw "role" player late. Leaving it up as a testimony to my lack of reading comprehension.
 

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Wouldn't those kind of...cancel each other out? Like crossing the streams in Ghostbusters?
Yeah he missed the true off-court combo..... WIlt and Kemp. An extra 100-200 kids from the biggest physical outlier of his generation would have been huge for the NBA
 

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Steph Jordan, since Michael Curry is already taken.

Jordan with Steph's range is pretty much game over.

Among current players, probably Trae Tatum.
 

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Kobe told me the answer is Shaq with Payton Pritchard’s work ethic.
oh Wait I broke all the rules. NM
 

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This game ultimately made me appreciate more just how good Lebron is... because really, the contemporary answer is "Lebron + someone" but it's really hard to dramatically improve any area of his game because he's just so good in all facets. If not for the within 2" rule, I would have said Lebron + Klay because an elite shooting Lebron is basically unstoppable. Instead, I will say Lebron + Durant... 6' 10" elite shooting PG that can defend all 5 positions on the court. Lebron Durant is basically a player 14 year olds create in NBA 2k.

I think the more fun version of this would be - combine any two players who have never made an all-star team and are within 2" in height... think Smart + Herro, or Jaylen Brown + Lonzo.
 

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I think the more fun version of this would be - combine any two players who have never made an all-star team and are within 2" in height... think Smart + Herro, or Jaylen Brown + Lonzo.
Sam Perkins + Marcus Camby

or

Cedric Maxwell + Toni Kukoc
 

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This game ultimately made me appreciate more just how good Lebron is... because really, the contemporary answer is "Lebron + someone" but it's really hard to dramatically improve any area of his game because he's just so good in all facets. If not for the within 2" rule, I would have said Lebron + Klay because an elite shooting Lebron is basically unstoppable. Instead, I will say Lebron + Durant... 6' 10" elite shooting PG that can defend all 5 positions on the court. Lebron Durant is basically a player 14 year olds create in NBA 2k.

I think the more fun version of this would be - combine any two players who have never made an all-star team and are within 2" in height... think Smart + Herro, or Jaylen Brown + Lonzo.
I think it is a matter of time before Jaylen is ineligible here. Non-All-Star combo...

Is it cheating if I pick Arvydas Sabonis? Combine him with Marcus Camby and that is a hell of a player.

If no Sabonis, how about Drazen Petrovic and Cedric Maxwell?
 

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I think it is a matter of time before Jaylen is ineligible here. Non-All-Star combo...

Is it cheating if I pick Arvydas Sabonis? Combine him with Marcus Camby and that is a hell of a player.

If no Sabonis, how about Drazen Petrovic and Cedric Maxwell?
I must say, I never knew anything about Petrovic before today. Really sad story. Seems like the type of player who would be an absolute monster in the modern game.
 

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Steph Jordan, since Michael Curry is already taken.

Jordan with Steph's range is pretty much game over.

Among current players, probably Trae Tatum.
Jordan already was game over. I don't know how "the" answer doesn't include Steph Curry in the dish. Adding that kind of shooting has a knock on effect to almost every single other offensive skill in a unique way.
 

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I must say, I never knew anything about Petrovic before today. Really sad story. Seems like the type of player who would be an absolute monster in the modern game.
Yeah, even back then he would have ended up being recognized as one of the games greatest shooters had his career continued.
 

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Jordan already was game over. I don't know how "the" answer doesn't include Steph Curry in the dish. Adding that kind of shooting has a knock on effect to almost every single other offensive skill in a unique way.
One could say the same about LeBron too. Add Curry's shooting to any great or evey very good talent and it's just other worldly at that point. Giannis with Curry shootings. Ben Simmons with Curry's shooting. Joel Embiid with Curry's shooting. KG+ Curry.

Maybe if the other player was Ray Allen or Dirk you would want to add someone else.
 

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Tatum already shoots like Trae. I'd want want Jaybron Tatum. A 250lb Tatum with otherworldly athleticism would break the NBA.
I wanted to go with young players. I know LeBron is current, but he's also an all time great. Tatum and Trae are not, at least not yet.

It's more about adding a playmaker to Tatum than it is about Trae specifically. Thinking more about it, I'd go with Luka Tatum. Also, if I were going to use a great who is still playing, I'd be tempted to go with Jayson Harden.

Zion would be another interesting guy to fuse someone with.
 

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Fine, Zion Tatum then. A 270lb Tatum that can shoot, drive, handle, pass, and leap out of the gym with those arms? That's a break the NBA cross-pollination.
 

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I agree with @slamminsammya: add Curry's shooting to anyone else, and you get a better player.

I'm not sure I'd want to see some of the all time greats improved. Magic, Larry, Jordan, LeBron, part of what makes their stories so epic is the possibility that they're beatable.

From a pure entertainment staindpoint: give me Shaq with Ray Allen's free-throw shooting. I'd love to know whether Hack-a-Shaq was viable if The Big Aristotle was ace at the line.
 

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I agree with @slamminsammya: add Curry's shooting to anyone else, and you get a better player.

I'm not sure I'd want to see some of the all time greats improved. Magic, Larry, Jordan, LeBron, part of what makes their stories so epic is the possibility that they're beatable.

From a pure entertainment staindpoint: give me Shaq with Ray Allen's free-throw shooting. I'd love to know whether Hack-a-Shaq was viable if The Big Aristotle was ace at the line.
Well the answer would clearly be no, hacking only works if you make FTs at a lower rate than FGs.
 

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Well the answer would clearly be no, hacking only works if you make FTs at a lower rate than FGs.
Shaq would have been played differently, but assuming he hadn't, he would have scored 4124 more points in the regular season, and 904 in the playoffs.

His career PPG would have jumped from 24.6 to 29.1. His playoff PPG would have jumped from 24.3 to 28.5. In the 2000-01 season, he would have scored 373 more points for more than 5 points per game.
 

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Shaq + Kareem. Tough to beat the size, big man skills, and athleticism, with the Sky Hook even more deadly with more strength to set up closer to the basket.

LeBron and Drazen Petrovic. LeBron is about a complete a package as exists, but we added in Drazen’s long range marksmanship, as the fourth best 3% shooter of all time, combined with an insane amount of balls.
 

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Larry Bird + the health of Karl Malone

Don't want to change Bird's game. Just want to see it longer...
 

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Yea I get the Curry Love (Curry+Jordan for example).

But in the OP I took Reggie Miller. Still great Range and shooting (probably even better had Reggie Jordan existed in todays game) +Jordans Athleticism + Ht. They would be 6'6.5 with long arms. Jordan was a DPOY. So while Steph Jordan would score 45 a game. Reggie Jordan would score 40 while absolutely locking anyone from 6'2-6'9 down.
 

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How about Pritchard Smart? (EDIT: Eh...Payton Smart rather) Good shooter, really nice handle, but would be great if he also could play D like Smart. And I think they're within a couple inches in height from each other.
 

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McHale and Arvydas Sabonis? That would be one heck of a threat from anywhere on the court.
 

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Reggie Miller is one of the most interesting players to discuss. If you look at his basic stats, he is not particularly impressive. He averaged 18-3-3 for his career, made 5 ASG, and never made first or second team All-NBA (he did make 3 All-NBA teams). By comparison, someone like Carmelo Anthony has averaged 23-6-3 for their career, 10x All-Star and 6x All-NBA(including 2x Second Team All-NBA).

Yet people remember Reggie Miller as a great NBA player, a first-ballot Hall of Fame guy and an icon of the 90s NBA, why?

The first example is playing style; Miller was the first true three-point specialist who became a legitimate franchise player. He took more threes than anyone before him and made a great percentage of them. The subsequent future generations of sharp shooters would all be inspired by Miller, and he is an obvious candidate for someone from the 90s who would be better today, since the game would encourage him to shoot more threes and be more productive on the offensive end. In his most prolific season, he attempted 6.6 3PA per game. In the 2019-2020 season, that would have him 30th, the same amount of attempts per game as Marcus Smart and Terry Rozier; and we all know those guys aren't Reggie Miller shooting the ball.

The second key aspect is that Miller's teams were very good. 15 out of the 18 seasons Miller played, Indiana made the playoffs. They made one finals, and the conference finals on four other occasions. The Indiana team was consistently involved in the action during a popular time for the NBA, and arguably came the closest to snuffing out the Jordan dynasty of any team in that era, with Miller hitting a huge three pointer to force a Game 7. He had a flair for the dramatic and was one of the best shit-talkers of his generation. It also wasn't like those Pacer teams were full of All-Stars; Miller was pretty much the only star on those teams unless you count late-career Chris Mullin, up until Jermaine O'Neal blossomed. If his team always won, maybe Miller was actually better than his numbers would suggest.

An interesting stat for Miller is that he is second all-time in offensive rating. Offensive rating isn't a perfect statistic, but it does help Miller from being penalized by playing in the slow-it-down 90s era. His counting stats might not be as impressive as someone like Melo, but he was also playing in an era that was not offensive friendly. But Miller was probably an all-time great offensive player, he is 9th all time in Offensive Win Shares, ahead of Kobe, Shaq and Barkley.

Now, offensive rating can be kind of a misleading statistic, as role players who benefited from playing with elite offenses can have extremely high ratings. DeAndre Jordan for example, is third all-time. However, Reggie Miller was not DeAndre Jordan, he played almost his entire career as the only elite offensive option on his team. On a per possession basis, his offenses were consistently great. I think in a similar way to Curry's range and accuracy from deep warps the offensive spacing for the Warriors, Miller's ability to fly off screens and shoot with a frequency never seen before at that time, created a similar kind of offensive dynamic that allowed less-talented players to thrive.