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Ok, but he was still the one that sent a story into the Globe that detailed how he was fooled.  Outside of a bunch of folks on twitter this isn't even a story.
 
I know you hate the guy, but at the very least he's showing that he doesn't take himself too seriously and willing to show how he got egg on his face. 
 

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When such large quantities of eggs are stuffed in one's mouth some of it is bound to end up on one's face (See Gresh, Andrew).
 

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FWIW, I was posting it because I thought the whole thing was amusing, not because he was made to look like a fool.
 

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I'm clueless as to why no one at the Globe has spoken to him about the way he talks to people on Twitter. He's like subscription repellent. 
 

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Rudy Pemberton said:
Pete's in mid season form, just retweeted a sox fan saying the team sucks with a wise ass #bestfansinbaseball.

Why can't the globe do better than this guy?
 
So you agree with the original tweet saying that the Sox are going to suck this year? I know that you're still completely unclear on Cherrington's plan, but to say that the Sox are going to "suck"is a bit much, especially after the first Spring Training game. 
 

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It's not that. It's that everyone knows Twitter is an intellectual wasteland and that retweeting some random dickface who might live is Moscow for all anyone knows and using him/her to comment on the quality of the Red Sox fanbase is straight up trolling. It's the way middle schoolers use Twitter.
 

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I don't get the dislike for Pete. He's playful, not a cheap-shot artist, sabre-friendly, tends to not indulge melodrama, and, yeah, makes fun of himself on occasion.

What are people expecting? And why is he "universally disliked"!
 

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MyDaughterLovesTomGordon said:
It's not that. It's that everyone knows Twitter is an intellectual wasteland and that retweeting some random dickface who might live is Moscow for all anyone knows and using him/her to comment on the quality of the Red Sox fanbase is straight up trolling. It's the way middle schoolers use Twitter.
 
Trolling the beat writer for the Red Sox? I get why people troll, but that seems a bit odd don't you think? 
 
Like Van Everyman, I too wonder why a good percentage of SoSH doesn't like the guy. Quite honestly, Abraham is one of the only (if not THE only) member of the media to contribute to the SoSH charity drive. And he did this last year when there were a couple members of this board who went to his boss looking for him to get canned. 
 
Aside from quoting dipshit tweets and responding to them in the exact manner that 99% of SoSHers would do if they had his reach, I'm not exactly sure why he's public enemy number one around these parts. No one has ever explained that to me other than an occasional, "He's a jerky jerk meany face to his Twitter followers." Who gives a shit?
 

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I don't hate him or anything, I just wish the Globe could come up with something better. You're right, he's very similar to what you might find anonymous people here doing. Doesn't the Globe have a higher standard than that? Maybe not. I'm not sure why or if I really care, but in the abstract it's disappointing.
 

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He's trolling his readers. This was the tweet in question:
 
Someone complained at him about Lackey (hard to blame them) and he chose to respond publicly calling them out. It's maybe something I would say but I'm not representing the Boston Globe and making fun of my readers. 
 
A good percentage of SoSH have been personally attacked by the guy. Some of them may have deserved it but that's where I think a lot of the animosity comes from. Kind of hard to treat a guy fairly when he has taken criticism personally and harped on you until you apologized to get him to shut up (Speaking from experience). It's childish. Certainly a lot of the criticisms on the previous thread we had about Pete were childish too, but for some reason he can't ignore them. By contrast, I have gotten into arguments with Haggerty on twitter, and he has always just kept to the matter at hand and not taken criticisms personally.
 
I doubt he's public enemy number one on SoSH (the Peter King and Cafardo threads are a lot more active...), but in my opinion he'd be a very good to great beat reporter if he didn't act like a jerk to his readers (and some of the players he covers). That's why it's frustrating. It's not like certain of his colleagues who are just bad.
 
We had an 8-page thread about it...but it got closed because people were bickering and repeating themselves, which seems to be where this one is headed. He is who he is at this point, so I'm glad that he works hard and does a pretty good job at getting the beat reporting out. 
 

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Seriously, @redsox_nc is the guy that one that you like in this race. Have you seen his tweets?

 
Jose made up for the error.. why did we pay $9 mil to #drew #redsox#cherrington is dumb as a salt shaker.
 
Nice inning Jose !! #redsox sure handed SS makes a throwing error. fundamentally weak vs #rays@TimBritton 2 errors..
 
when would #redsox realize that #salty is no #posey. why is he a starter for $180 Mil team. dropped catch, throw well over 3B@PeteAbe
 
 
Yes. It's a travesty that Peter Abraham made fun of Peter Gammons Jr. over here. 
 

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He's also gotten in flame wars in the comment section of his blog which is about 10x more embarrassing than picking out a tweet from a bottom feeder fan in order to take some lame sarcastic stab at Red Sox fans.
 

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So he gets into Twitter "wars" with morons and doesn't suffer fools well. I still am not seeing:
 
A. Why this is a bad thing. 
B. What that has to do with his reporting, which is pretty good. 
 
One last thing about this:

 
A good percentage of SoSH have been personally attacked by the guy.
 
You do realize the history behind this, right? I mean you don't think that PA just started picking random SoSHers out and start making fun of them. Come on. There were people in the old thread who way say that they were trolling him, or were planning on going into his chats to rip him or were just being out-in-out assholes to him. Let's not rewrite history and pretend that this was some unprovoked attack on our fair, fair plantation. 
 

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John Marzano Olympic Hero said:
So he gets into Twitter "wars" with morons and doesn't suffer fools well. I still am not seeing:
 
A. Why this is a bad thing. 
B. What that has to do with his reporting, which is pretty good. 
 
One last thing about this:

 
 
You do realize the history behind this, right? I mean you don't think that PA just started picking random SoSHers out and start making fun of them. Come on. There were people in the old thread who way say that they were trolling him, or were planning on going into his chats to rip him or were just being out-in-out assholes to him. Let's not rewrite history and pretend that this was some unprovoked attack on our fair, fair plantation. 
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I'm with JMOH here. I never understood how people could get so pissed off at tweets that weren't even directed at them that they felt a need to go into attack mode. If people did that with me I'd probably just as sarcastic in my replies.
 
And I do want to confirm that Abraham is the only sportswriter that has donated auction items to the charity events we have here.
 

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To get a good idea of his perspective, click on any of his Tweets and read the replies.
 
He'll Tweet something like "Joe's pizza in St Pete is the best" and get "STICK TO SPORTS, TUBBY!" type replies. I don't blame him for getting pissy once in a while. I have no idea how famous types deal with the vitriol that gets spewed at them on Twitter.
 

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John Marzano Olympic Hero said:
So he gets into Twitter "wars" with morons and doesn't suffer fools well. I still am not seeing:
 
A. Why this is a bad thing. 
B. What that has to do with his reporting, which is pretty good. 
 
One last thing about this:

 
 
You do realize the history behind this, right? I mean you don't think that PA just started picking random SoSHers out and start making fun of them. Come on. There were people in the old thread who way say that they were trolling him, or were planning on going into his chats to rip him or were just being out-in-out assholes to him. Let's not rewrite history and pretend that this was some unprovoked attack on our fair, fair plantation. 
Keep fighting the good fight JMOH just don't expect anyone to listen to reason.
 

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If you hate Abraham, you probably want to murder Keith Law's family.
 

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absintheofmalaise said:
I'm with JMOH here. I never understood how people could get so pissed off at tweets that weren't even directed at them that they felt a need to go into attack mode. If people did that with me I'd probably just as sarcastic in my replies.
 
And I do want to confirm that Abraham is the only sportswriter that has donated auction items to the charity events we have here.
 
I have no issues with PA, but Dan Shaughnessy and Mike Silverman have also been very generous with our charity events.
 

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Several writers at practice this morning were LOL that Pete got caught with his pants down. He's universally disliked. Not surprised Middlebrooks was involved in the ruse. He's gone after PA on Twitter in the past.
I do not mean to single you out, but, Homebrew mentioned that you personally hate Pete Abraham. Do you care to explain your hatred? I could understand hating Peter King (douchebag), CHB (ditto), and Nick Cafardo (laziness) but not Abraham. As mentioned up thread, he is one of the few Sabarmetric friendly writers who generally does a good job as a beat reporter. He also earns bonus points for contributing to the charity drive this past year. If the reason is too personal, then I understand but I feel that he is unjustly attacked on this board. There are a ton of other writers who do deserve our scorn but Pete Abraham is not one of them.
Edit: In light of Fris's comment that CHB has contributed to some of our charity drives, I retract the douchebag comment for him. The larger point still remains.
 

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I do not mean to single you out, but, Homebrew mentioned that you personally hate Pete Abraham. Do you care to explain your hatred? I could understand hating Peter King (douchebag), CHB (ditto), and Nick Cafardo (laziness) but not Abraham. As mentioned up thread, he is one of the few Sabarmetric friendly writers who generally does a good job as a beat reporter. He also earns bonus points for contributing to the charity drive this past year. If the reason is too personal, then I understand but I feel that he is unjustly attacked on this board. There are a ton of other writers who do deserve our scorn but Pete Abraham is not one of them.
Edit: In light of Fris's comment that CHB has contributed to some of our charity drives, I retract the douchebag comment for him. The larger point still remains.
 
No need to retract anything. ;)
 

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By contrast, I have gotten into arguments with Haggerty on twitter, and he has always just kept to the matter at hand and not taken criticisms personally.
 
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Haggerty is the biggest baby there is. Maybe if he spent more time reporting and less tweeting about food he'd approach passable. He can't hold Pete's jock.
Now Haggs is an asshole too?
 

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I do not mean to single you out, but, Homebrew mentioned that you personally hate Pete Abraham. Do you care to explain your hatred? I could understand hating Peter King (douchebag), CHB (ditto), and Nick Cafardo (laziness) but not Abraham. As mentioned up thread, he is one of the few Sabarmetric friendly writers who generally does a good job as a beat reporter. He also earns bonus points for contributing to the charity drive this past year. If the reason is too personal, then I understand but I feel that he is unjustly attacked on this board. There are a ton of other writers who do deserve our scorn but Pete Abraham is not one of them.
Edit: In light of Fris's comment that CHB has contributed to some of our charity drives, I retract the douchebag comment for him. The larger point still remains.
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/64877-peter-abraham-makes-zero-effort/page-7

Last few posts.
 

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Seems like he publicly called him out because the guy sent him a public message.
 
 
 
Toe Nash said:
He's trolling his readers. This was the tweet in question:
 
Someone complained at him about Lackey (hard to blame them) and he chose to respond publicly calling them out. It's maybe something I would say but I'm not representing the Boston Globe and making fun of my readers. 
 

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I initially created the Abraham because, well, he makes little to no effort at his job (Hence the "Zero Effort" title). His columns are (were? I haven't read him in a long while) bad, they are full of factual errors, and he takes zero responsibility for his lackluster job performance or his simply atrocious behavior towards readers. 
 
I was personally threatened physically by him on Twitter via DM. 
 
So, there is a serious disconnect between what a lot of posters here see/read and what a few select mods see/read. And, I hate to play a nutter, but absintheofmalaise did confirm there may be a financial side to this disconnect. 
 
I don't see why there is any attempt to eschew attacks on PA in this forum where as King, Cafardo, and CHB get ripped to shreds with zero interjection. 
 
/shrug
 
(There was a fairly robust defense of PA from JMOH on the first page of the old thread and a bickerfest, but Page 2 starts to point out more errors/laziness by PA, which JMOH tries to squash)
 
Edit: Again, I am just confused by this. I don't really care. I am not ragging on JMOH or the staff, just pointing out some observations as it relates to analogous threads/discussions.
 

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Since you're calling me out (which is fair), I will respond:
 
I initially created the Abraham because, well, he makes little to no effort at his job (Hence the "Zero Effort" title). His columns are (were? I haven't read him in a long while) bad, they are full of factual errors, and he takes zero responsibility for his lackluster job performance or his simply atrocious behavior towards readers. 
 
I don't agree with this. Is he Peter Gammons in his Sox beat days? No. But he's no worse than Hoehler, Benjamin, Chris Snow or any of the other Sox beat writers. He uses advanced stats (or as much as he can given who his audience is) and writes a game story, a notebook, a blog, Tweets and occasionally will do a longer piece. There's a lot of things that you can say about Abraham but I think lazy might not be one of them.
 
I was personally threatened physically by him on Twitter via DM. 
I don't remember the story, but I highly doubt that he picked you out of the blue and just said he was going to kick your ass, did he?
 
So, there is a serious disconnect between what a lot of posters here see/read and what a few select mods see/read. And, I hate to play a nutter, but absintheofmalaise did confirm there may be a financial side to this disconnect. 
What "financial side" are you talking about? Because if PA is giving money to people on this site and not me, then I want mine. The disconnect is that there are a few posters who get butthurt every time Abraham is "mean" to a person on Twitter. No one has explained to me why, unless your the person getting into a Twitter war with him, why anyone should give a rat's ass about what PA said to SoxFanInNC or FahkinSAWXRULE or some other Twitter mouthbreather. Especially when the same people crying about Abraham do the same thing to other posters on the main board.
 
I don't see why there is any attempt to eschew attacks on PA in this forum where as King, Cafardo, and CHB get ripped to shreds with zero interjection. 
I don't care if you rip Peter Abraham, but make it worth it. In the last thread that I closed there were people who took Abraham to task because he misspelled a word in a Tweet, there were people who went after him because he was fat or ugly or claimed that he was "obviously" stealing from SoSH, when the observation he made was pretty damn apparant to anyone with a pair of eyes and a functioning brain. The worst offense were the folks who openly trolled him and came back to the site to brag about it.
 
Like I said in that thread before I closed it down, SoSH does not condone that bullshit behavior and we will not be apart of it.
 
You know why the threads where we rip into King and Cafardo are funny? Because, for the most part, the posters stick to what these writers write. Once in awhile someone will use the adjective "fat" to modify these gentlemen, but it's not the complete point of the post. You don't agree with something that Abraham wrote in a story, that's fine. Fire away. Back it up too, while you're at it. It's funny to me that the same people who claim that Abraham is lazy are the same people who use the same slams on Abraham over and over again.

 
What do you want me to tell you.

 
(There was a fairly robust defense of PA from JMOH on the first page of the old thread and a bickerfest, but Page 2 starts to point out more errors/laziness by PA, which JMOH tries to squash)
Like I said, the errors are obvious keystroke mistakes, unless you don't think Abraham has spellcheck on his laptop. That's like shooting fish in a barrell. You want to be the Dr. Leather of Peter Abraham take downs, be my guest. But what makes Leather so funny isn't him calling Peter King a fat fuck over and over again and saying "Durrrr, King is so stoopid, he can't spell 'and' right! Har, har, har." That's what that old thread became and that's what it's becoming now.
 
Edit: Again, I am just confused by this. I don't really care. I am not ragging on JMOH or the staff, just pointing out some observations as it relates to analogous threads/discussions.
 
 Okay.
 

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I initially created the Abraham because, well, he makes little to no effort at his job (Hence the "Zero Effort" title). His columns are (were? I haven't read him in a long while) bad, they are full of factual errors, and he takes zero responsibility for his lackluster job performance or his simply atrocious behavior towards readers. 
 
I was personally threatened physically by him on Twitter via DM. 
 
So, there is a serious disconnect between what a lot of posters here see/read and what a few select mods see/read. And, I hate to play a nutter, but absintheofmalaise did confirm there may be a financial side to this disconnect. 
 
I don't see why there is any attempt to eschew attacks on PA in this forum where as King, Cafardo, and CHB get ripped to shreds with zero interjection. 
 
/shrug
 
(There was a fairly robust defense of PA from JMOH on the first page of the old thread and a bickerfest, but Page 2 starts to point out more errors/laziness by PA, which JMOH tries to squash)
 
Edit: Again, I am just confused by this. I don't really care. I am not ragging on JMOH or the staff, just pointing out some observations as it relates to analogous threads/discussions.
JMOH made a very compelling argument in defense of Pete but since I am a very new user of Twitter, perhaps you could explain how you felt personally threatened by him? Did he say that he was going to bring Larry and Moe to your house and throw a pie in your face? Just trying to lighten the mood but I do not think Peter would actually hunt you down or try to physically hurt you.  I might be mistaken but I thought you could retain your anonomity on Twitter?  If you do not like Peter Abraham then just ignore him. 
 

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I'm sorry but it's really easy to distinguish Abraham's behavior from others... in fact it's obvious. Follow the guy for a week.
 
I can't for the life of me see how people don't find his behavior completely unprofessional. Who gives a *SHIT* if he was 'provoked' by a message board? He's a writer for what a lot of people still consider to be one of the more respected sports departments in the country and he acts like an idiot in an extraordinarily public way. I don't see that happening with any of the Projo Guys. I don't see most of the Herald staff behaving like that. I never see guys at the Globe acting like that. In fact, almost every writer I've interacted with is extremely friendly in return 90% of the time - even when I might not deserve it. I've never in my life had a single decent interaction with Abraham and don't know many who have. Being sarcastic is one thing (Mazz, Felger = all the time), trolling people is funny, but this guy's on another planet. Just blows my mind people can't distinguish between the two.
 

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Then don't fucking interact with him. It's not like he's the only guy reporting on the Red Sox on twitter, at this point you know what you are going to get.
 
Twitter is easy... you don't like someone click unfollow. 
 

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I'm kind of shocked so many people are defending the guy. He's been a belligerent asshole going back to his Yankees days, constantly antagonizing fans (in those days the commenters on the LoHud blog) and anyone who dares question or disagree with him. Who gives a shit if someone provoked him on Twitter? I'm sure virtually every public figure on Twitter gets plenty of appalling, disgraceful tweets directed at them, but they generally act like adults and ignore it. Abraham just loves himself a good flame war. I guess that's fine, but he makes himself and his employer look bad when he descends into his typical argumentative shtick. 
 
Oh, and he's completely unprofessional with the players he covers (the guy had and probably still has an embarrassing vendetta against A-Rod), and his baseball analysis is thoroughly run-of-the-mill. That too.
 

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Exactly who is defending him?  It's pretty easy actually, don't troll him and you won't be disappointed or "shocked" in how he responds to you, and if you do troll him don't go coming here to say he's a big fat meanie.

If you want to criticize his writing or his articles or disagree with a stance he took then feel free to post it here to discuss it otherwise cut the shit.
 

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Exactly who is defending him?  It's pretty easy actually, don't troll him and you won't be disappointed or "shocked" in how he responds to you, and if you do troll him don't go coming here to say he's a big fat meanie.

If you want to criticize his writing or his articles or disagree with a stance he took then feel free to post it here to discuss it otherwise cut the shit.
 
Uh, what? Some people (Curll, BoSoxLady) said negative things about Abraham. You and JMOH (among others) have responded to them in defense of Abaham. Thus, you're defending him.
 
I've never had any interaction with Abraham, so please don't cast me as a troll when it's not the case. I've never been involved in one of his many back-and-forths. I have, however, "watched" (read) numerous online bickerfests involving him, going back years. LoHud comments, Globe comments, Twitter wars both public and in DMs. The common denominator in it all is him. I mean, I thought this was one place Yankee and Sox fans could unite - he's treated both fanbases like everyone in them are baseball simpletons who somehow don't deserve to watch a good team. Quite frankly, I find the level of vitriol in your reply to me to be really strange, as if I'm insulting you or someone close to you. Not quite sure why you're so offended that someone doesn't like Abraham's attitude but tough shit, I don't like the guy. Consider the shit uncut.
 

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Peter Abraham is now ripping apart SoSH. Won't someone think of the IBC?!
 
Edit: Internet Baseball Community. I know you were wondering.
 

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The disconnect is that there are a few posters who get butthurt every time Abraham is "mean" to a person on Twitter. No one has explained to me why, unless your the person getting into a Twitter war with him, why anyone should give a rat's ass about what PA said to SoxFanInNC or FahkinSAWXRULE or some other Twitter mouthbreather. Especially when the same people crying about Abraham do the same thing to other posters on the main board.
 
I'm sure I don't have a dog in this fight, but I think I have a handle on this element:

1) It's not that he takes individual twits to task in a rough manner, it's that he uses the twit to backhand the public fanbase at large. I'll admit, I thought "#bestfansinbaseball" was a dick move. That's something I self-identify with, and he puts that label on some lunatic fucktard. It's not fair to act as if these twits (who you correctly point out are not worth our sympathy or time) are in any way representative of Sox fans at large. It's two sides of the same logic, right? If they were reasonable people, he shouldn't talk down to them; if they're not, he shouldn't paint anyone else with their opinions. And yes, even if this view is correct, it's still just a little bit 'The Queen's Tea Etiquette' for the internet. Does PA does this a lot outside of the recent incident? I have no idea. It does clearly seem, though, that the attackers here see PA's twit attacks as proxy attacks against them.

2) there's no comparison between how Pete treats his followers to how posters act on the main board. It's apples to oranges. Those Pete are attacking (if you accept the premise in #1) are essentially his consumers - biting the hand that feeds you is a special brand of stupid. I certainly don't think it'll cost him his job or anything (although fireable Internet offenses are usually more about quality than quantity and he's giving himself plenty of chances to screw up), but there's a solid chance it's pageview-negative, and long-term that hurts him in the wallet.
 

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Yeah, I'm with JMOH for the most part--he really is an odd one of these to single out, and if you're poking and prodding at someone publicly/ online, you deserve everything you get.  going purely on his work as a beat reporter for the Globe re the Sox.
 
However, on twitter he is most certainly an asshole, and I agree it does seem an odd approach.  Do I care because I'm sensitive to the feelings of the trolling twitter jackass?  No. But at the same time, HomeBrew telling someone to cut the shit for pointing out what seems very obvious to me (and others) is really odd too.  "If he bothers you don't interact with him!"  Yeah.  That's sort of what people are saying.  About Abraham.
 
All said, still with JMOH--that alone isn't thread-worthy.  I think he does a solid job over all.
 
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The guy's an asshole with a lousy sense of humor. He's not going to break anything that won't be covered by the other beat guys. I realized I was following him only to torture myself so I stopped following. I think some people on here need to have the same realization.
 

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I'm kind of shocked so many people are defending the guy. He's been a belligerent asshole going back to his Yankees days, constantly antagonizing fans (in those days the commenters on the LoHud blog) and anyone who dares question or disagree with him. Who gives a shit if someone provoked him on Twitter? I'm sure virtually every public figure on Twitter gets plenty of appalling, disgraceful tweets directed at them, but they  generally act like adults and ignore it. Abraham just loves himself a good flame war. I guess that's fine, but he makes himself and his employer look bad when he descends into his typical argumentative shtick.
 
For the last time, I am not defending Peter Abraham. I'm bringing up the level of discourse in this stupid thread. Here are the bullet points for what I've been explaining for well over a year"
 
- I don't know Peter Abraham, I don't care about Peter Abraham.
 
- What I do care about is this littel corner of SoSH and it's not going to be over run by cry babies complaining about Peter Abraham's tweets.
 
- Because: a. for the most part he "rips" people we all don't know. And, by and large, these people are idiots.
 
- b. if he does rip someone we know, chances are they deserve it.
 
- If you want to rip Peter Abraham, start with the three or four stories that he writes every day. Comb through them, Indiana Jones, and find that nugget of idiocy that you claim is so easy to be found in every PA story.
 
- If you want lessons on how to do this, look at the threads devoted on Shaughnessey, Cafardo, Peter King or any of the radio shows. These are good places to start.
 
Petty bitching about inconsequential Tweets are bullshit posts and aren't worth the bandwidth needed to go from your fingers to anyone else's eyes. Simply stop following him. I stop following tons of people, like Peter King. Know why? He's fucking useless on Twitter. And if he does post something useful I either read it second hand or I go to the old Twitter box and look him up. It's pretty damn simple. Try it for a week with Abraham, I bet you might find that you're life won't instantly end.
 
It's not that he takes individual twits to task in a rough manner, it's that he uses the twit to backhand the public fanbase at large. I'll admit, I thought "#bestfansinbaseball" was a dick move. That's something I self-identify with, and he puts that label on some lunatic fucktard.
 
Really? You really identify with the "best fans in baseball" label? Are you fucking serious? I am assuming that you're an adult, right? That has got to be one of the dumbest, corniest things I've ever read. How do you identify with this meaningless, cockamamie, bullshit, marketingspeak phrase? Does your blood boil when Joe Buck or Chris Berman talk about St. Louis as being "The Best Baseball Town in America"? Do you lord your identity over your New York friends, "You may have been the Best Fans in Baseball, but the 1950s are OV-AH BITCHES! New century representin'!"
 
I can't believe that someone's sense of fandom is so fragile that a mundane (and fairly obvious and trite) putdown involving a hollow, nothing phrase has wounded you so much that you would actually admit to being offended by this Tweet on a message board. Holy cow.
 

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Oh, and he's completely unprofessional with the players he covers (the guy had and probably still has an embarrassing vendetta against A-Rod), 
 
Um, yay?
 

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Really? You really identify with the "best fans in baseball" label? Are you fucking serious? I am assuming that you're an adult, right? That has got to be one of the dumbest, corniest things I've ever read. How do you identify with this meaningless, cockamamie, bullshit, marketingspeak phrase? Does your blood boil when Joe Buck or Chris Berman talk about St. Louis as being "The Best Baseball Town in America"? Do you lord your identity over your New York friends, "You may have been the Best Fans in Baseball, but the 1950s are OV-AH BITCHES! New century representin'!"
 
I can't believe that someone's sense of fandom is so fragile that a mundane (and fairly obvious and trite) putdown involving a hollow, nothing phrase has wounded you so much that you would actually admit to being offended by this Tweet on a message board. Holy cow.
 
Calm down there, tiger.  I self-identify as a Red Sox fan.  I'm fairly sure that doesn't make me retarded.  If you don't want to interpret "#bestfansinbaseball" in response to a dumbfuck Sox-related tweet as a dig at Red Sox fans in general, that's awesome.  Congrats.  But it's not a completely unreasonable interpretation.  And, what's more, you're a pretty bright guy.  You know what I meant.  I even led off the post with a sentence that made it pretty clear I personally don't give a shit.  There's a pretty big difference between objectively thinking something is a dick move and, well, all the lovely attributes you ascribe to me.  But you were in the mood to rant.  I guess I'll try to be more clear and just take the questions in order:
 
1) Yes
2) No, unless it counts that I do indeed think Sox fans, on balance, are among the top tier in terms of loyalty and knowledge
3) Never
4) I am 29 years of age
5) I don't
6) No.  I even routinely defend Buck as a play-by-play guy
7) I lord every aspect of the Red Sox over my Yankees fan friends and family at every applicable chance.
8) I can't either!  Wowee!  Whoever that person is, they should be ashamed.
 
A corner of the board doesn't go to shit when the members start acting like petulant, petty crybabies.  It's when the mods join in.  Try logic instead of volume next time.  It looks nicer on you.
 

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No, unless it counts that I do indeed think Sox fans, on balance, are among the top tier in terms of loyalty and knowledge
 
Source, please?
 
A Red Sox fan is no smarter than a Cardinals fan or a Padres fan or a Mariners fan. The sooner you realize this, the sooner you won't get all butthurt about a person ripping on another person in Twitterville.
 

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Source, please?
 
A Red Sox fan is no smarter than a Cardinals fan or a Padres fan or a Mariners fan. The sooner you realize this, the sooner you won't get all butthurt about a person ripping on another person in Twitterville.
 
Well, US News and World Report has us as number two, in a write-up full of backhanded compliments and tied with the Yankees. Or actual insults, I guess. Obviously, it's piffle. But it's a source.
 
Regardless, I think you're going overboard with the Devil's Advocate here, JMOH. "A Red Sox fan is no smarter than a Cardinals fan or a Padres fan or a Mariners fan"? Sure, there are other fanbases that are as passionate and as informed as the Red Sox fanbase. It's anecdotal evidence, but I've been to about 15 ballparks around the country, and been lots of cities and red lots of local newspapers, and there are definitely differing levels of investment in the local squad.
 
You think the average Tampa fan has as deep a knowledge of the Rays as the average Boston fan has of the Red Sox? San Diego? I've been to that park multiple times and people are far more interested in drinking microbrews and sun bathing than paying attention to the game. How often have we seen Sox fans take over an opposing ballpark? You can find examples of bad and good fans amongst any base, but, on the average, you wouldn't say the Sox fanbase is more loyal and educated than the average fanbase?
 
Also, you want people to criticize his writing, but in today's day and age, reporters have a number of outlets where they provide information to readers. Twitter is one of them. I think it's fair to discuss the way a reporter uses Twitter. Some reporters are excellent Twitter follows. Others seem to think it's a place where civility goes out the window. I think mostly what you're asking is for people to be more specific in their complaints. Right now we've got the one #bestfansinbaseball sneer, which rubbed people the wrong way. Maybe people could provide other instances where he's reacted in an over-the-top manner to an innocuous criticism? I think Twitter etiquette and best practices is a pretty interesting topic of discussion.
 
You're right - people can not follow them, just like people can not read Peter King, or Bill Simmons, or whomever. But should we just shut down all of these threads because every time we criticize someone, the obvious reply is: "Well don't read them then!" Of course not. 
 
Maybe I'm misreading you, but you seem to be arguing that discourse engaged in on Twitter is of less value than discourse engaged in on the web pages of the Globe. If Pete Abe were to rip a player on the Globe blog, it would certainly be fair game if it seemed baseless. If he seems to baselessly rip a player on Twitter, is that an interesting thing to discuss? Or is it just Twitter, where people can say whatever they want?
 
I honestly think that's an interesting question to explore. 
 

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I think that you're buying into a lot of hype and making a lot of sweeping generalizations about other fan bases. How many times have you clicked on the radio to hear some knuckledragger from Revere suggest that the Sox trade "Lavernway and Tazawa straight up for Matt Kemp" or some insane notion? How many times have you read a Globe mailbag and there are fans asking pretty simple baseball questions.
 
Saying that Red Sox fans are "better" fans than Rays fans is like saying Cowboy fans were "better" fans than Patriot fans 20 years ago.
 
And as far as folks who are more interested in drinking microbrews and sunbathing in San Diego, how about the Red Sox fans who are more interested in singing "Sweet Caroline"?
 
This is going down a rat hole, but there is no "greatest fan base" because for every black mark you bring up against another fan base, I can easily do the same for the Red Sox fan base.
 
And yes, I suppose it is worthy to point out a particularly egregious tweet from Abraham, but look back on this and the other PA threads, I would guarantee that most of these posts are about things he tweeted. There is rarely any criticism of his work in the paper or online. It's just turning into a pile-on shitfest.