Yes. Although to be fair to him, if your first name is Golden, it's hard not to be one.CoffeeNerdness said:
Percy Harvin traded to the Jets
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Assuming Harvin stays healthy (big if), there may be some advantage to Geno's development to have at least one member of the Jets WR corps that's above average, no?
This reeks of a classic Boston hatchett to the back on the way out of town. All this media popping up with the same anger management he fought Golden Tate meme? I don't doubt his personality played into the decision, but this may be more football related. Harvin was having a very crappy year as a receiver and it looked like he injured his hip last week.
This guy a balm to a young struggling QB? The cap space existed all along. DeSean Jackson was available, as were Sproles and Steve Smith. And THIS is the guy you get, along with a done Chris Johnson?singaporesoxfan said:
This isn't Randy Moss. This appears to be a younger version of Terry Glenn in his last year with the Pats.
Yeahhhhhh, this doesn't seem like the same sort of "whispers in the Globe on your way out of town" hatchet job to me at all. This doesn't even sound like "where there's smoke there's fire." It sounds like...where there's fire there's fire. What a nightmare. So happy for the 1-6 jets to add him to the mix!
Edit: damn quotation marks.
Edit: damn quotation marks.
Wait, Golden Tate banged Russell Wilson's wife? Is this like well known? How have I not heard thus before?
Buffalo does not need him. They have Sammy Watkins. Plus, why are you afraid of Buffalo?moondog80 said:
CoffeeNerdness said:
Then you aren't clear on the definition of "a classic Boston hatchet job." This isn't some guy who had performed well, had some sort of fanbase and then was "hatcheted" on his way out of town to make the ownership look as though they made the right decision. This is a guy who was in Seattle for a season and a third, injured most of the time, and had a history of peronality issues stretching back to high school.
coremiller said:
They do have a Plan B. They were hoping to get him ready for next year. His name is Paul Richardson, 2nd round draft pick out of Colorado. He's Percy light and is likely going to take his role going forward. I'm sure they are downgrading the role in general, given all of the general bitching about Bevell's play calling last week. They are going to go back to basics with Richardson keeping some of the Harvin package alive.
What will be interesting is who will end up returning kicks with Harvin gone. It's likely going to be Baldwin or Walters, neither of which is going to be a big impact like Harvin was.
You won't believe what is in store for you with Santonio part 2: LORD HAVE PERCY
Aaron Hernandez was a murdering Gator, Percy Harvin is a a gator cuckold creator
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I have no idea what to make of this. Hopefully Idzik, with his Seattle ties, knows what the real story is
Aaron Hernandez was a murdering Gator, Percy Harvin is a a gator cuckold creator
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I have no idea what to make of this. Hopefully Idzik, with his Seattle ties, knows what the real story is
He had a huge game on the biggest stage, he has a large fan base in the NFL let alone just for the team he plays for, and there's a foaming at the mouth media team immediately tweeting about his troubled HS days and enhancing team photos looking for evidence of a fight like they're on some CSI shit. What part about the smooth ride out of town for the Superstar am I missing?E5 Yaz said:
That Florida team was zany, huh?
People are being too hard on the Jets. The conditional pick likely means that if they cut Harvin after this year they pay just a fourth. Worth it to kick the tires on a talented player.
Seattle really failed on their due diligence when they traded for Harvin, huh? Yikes.
People are being too hard on the Jets. The conditional pick likely means that if they cut Harvin after this year they pay just a fourth. Worth it to kick the tires on a talented player.
Seattle really failed on their due diligence when they traded for Harvin, huh? Yikes.
Harvin has been a total zero since getting to Seattle. He's really fast and shiny though, so good on the Jets. Maybe they can run some end-arounds and other gimmicky plays with he, Chris Johnson and Vick. He has 22 catches this year, as mentioned, but for 6 yards a reception. At one point in the Dallas game he had 3 receptions for zero yards. Good for Seattle for somehow potentially getting the 33rd pick for him.
CoffeeNerdness said:
How may superstars are in the league? Percy Harvin has the fifth-best selling jersey on his own team.
Who beat him? Wilson, Lynch, Thomas, Sherman a.k.a. a group of the NFL's most prominent players?Freddy Linn said:
Those four and 44 other NFL players.
My 10-year old is headed to the Seattle game in two weeks and wanted a Harvin jersey precisely because none of his friends have one. Thank god Idzik moved on this when he did or I would be a sad panda.
My 10-year old is headed to the Seattle game in two weeks and wanted a Harvin jersey precisely because none of his friends have one. Thank god Idzik moved on this when he did or I would be a sad panda.
CoffeeNerdness said:
If we are talking top jersey sales for the 2014 season, Harvin isn't even in the top 50. Hell, the 12th man jersey outsells him and ranks #10 in jersey sales this season.
Freddy Linn said:
That's from June 1-August 31 2014. He isn't in the top 50 now.
That top 50 looks like a list of NFL superstars to me. AJ is 35th and Demarius is 43rd? Yeah...
Super Nomario said:
Someone on twitter suggested Volin write a book (he was on that beat, apparently) and listed all the names. It is a truly insane list.
I think that if the Patriots had gotten Harvin for a mid-round pick it'd be hailed as brilliance. As it is, the Jets gave the fans a shiny bauble to play with in lieu of wins and bought themselves at least another month (between the performance and the trade) before the "Fire Rex!" train reaches terminal velocity.
I mean, some of us wanted current Raven and former teammate puncher Steve Smith in the offseason, right?
The fact that it makes more sense for about 80 percent of the league to acquire Harvin right now for this package and that a competent front office is shipping him off months after Super Bowl heroics without any sort of replacement on the roster apparently didn't set off any alarm bells for Izdek.soxfan121 said:
Tony C said:
87 yard TD return
2 rushes for 45 yards
1 reception for 5 yards
Certainly a noteworthy performance, but we're talking about 4 plays in a 43-8 game. I suspect the "idea" of Percy Harvin leaves a more lasting impact than what he actually did.
And the original point holds. This isn't a guy about whom nothing was said about his background until he was traded. It's far from the type of treatment some Boston athletes have seen happen once they leave.
BigSoxFan said:
But Percy Harvin is a gimmick-type player, a shapeshifting positionless offensive weapon. Proportionally, Seattle used him either equally or less than Minnesota did in the backfield or on end-arounds. His issues are (1) his durability, and (2) his inability to not stuff his fist into a teammate's face.
One positive aspect of this is that under Mornhinweg's style of offense, Harvin can continue to catch short outlet/check-down type of passes from Geno, whose schemes have been drastically reduced since the beginning of the season.
As of today, over half of Harvin's passes were caught behind the line of scrimmage. Although 6.0 is the lowest Y/R of any NFL WR w/ at least 5 catches, that may not be as important to the Jets.
Of course, whether or not you want to trade a 2nd/3rd/4th pick as well as inherit a $7m~$10m a year cap hit for an outlet WR/HB hybrid is another story.
As of today, over half of Harvin's passes were caught behind the line of scrimmage. Although 6.0 is the lowest Y/R of any NFL WR w/ at least 5 catches, that may not be as important to the Jets.
Of course, whether or not you want to trade a 2nd/3rd/4th pick as well as inherit a $7m~$10m a year cap hit for an outlet WR/HB hybrid is another story.
As the other SSF noted, the Jets offensive schemes have been simplified a lot for Geno since the season developed, so he's an available fit for the current schemes. Harvin gives Geno a check down short yardage option that I don't think the Jets have right now. Whether or not that makes the trade worth it is another question but I don't think it's a cut and dry loljets moment.dcmissle said:
(Also, since the Jets can't draft, the value of the pick they gave up had they actually used it was probably not super high)
I'll jump in to add that one of my best friends worked for the HS that Harvin went to and his job was to ease the transitions of students that had discipline problems from the "alternative" school back into Landstown HS and deal with the problem kids. Let's just say he is intimately familiar with Harvin and I've even seen texts from Harvin and his mom. His family wanted him in NE coming out of college.SeoulSoxFan said:
EDIT: To be clear, I did NOT see texts regarding where they wanted him to play. I should have clarified that.
EDIT: He was not banned from all sports as a senior for entire year. I know he played most of football season.
Making a roster is a pretty common condition for a conditional pick - the Jerel Worthy trade this off-season is one example.Papelbon's Poutine said:
Harvin is a strange player in that he's maybe the best constraint play weapon in the league but he's not much of a base play guy. What I mean is that you can't really build an offense entirely around jet sweeps and screens. These are constraint plays you use when the defense starts cheating on your base plays, but if you haven't established your base plays first, they don't work. The Seattle-Dallas game was a good example of what happens when you try to make constraint plays your base plays -- nobody gets fooled.Freddy Linn said:
At Minny, Harvin was great because the constraint plays were always there, since every defense they played loaded up to stop Peterson.
If this is the case, then he might actually be pretty valuable to Jets, since teams load up for the power running game.coremiller said:
Seattle has used him pretty much as just a constraint player, but he did well in Minnesota more as a conventional receiver. He's not just a gimmick.coremiller said:
Smith wanted to play for the Ravens then he went to visit and signed with the Ravens. Pretty easy to understand.dcmissle said:
Jets trading for Sproles given the front office knows they are rebuilding doesn't make a lot of sense. There were some rumors they looked at Jackson but who knows.
Percy Harvin might be the most overrated player in the NFL right now, hell, he might be the most overrated player in the last 20 years. He's fast, and when he does something right it's exciting, but he gets hurt all the time and he's widely considered one of the league's pantheon-level assholes.
On paper this makes sense for the Jets because their schedule gets a whole lot easier from here on out, and adding a WR is in theory a good move, but Harvin isn't good enough to turn that offense around. And the Seahawks will be fine. They made it to the Super Bowl last year pretty much without him and Baldwin/Kearse are very underrated receivers. Lockette is a decent #3 and as somebody upthread mentioned Paul Richardson is a beast in the making.
On paper this makes sense for the Jets because their schedule gets a whole lot easier from here on out, and adding a WR is in theory a good move, but Harvin isn't good enough to turn that offense around. And the Seahawks will be fine. They made it to the Super Bowl last year pretty much without him and Baldwin/Kearse are very underrated receivers. Lockette is a decent #3 and as somebody upthread mentioned Paul Richardson is a beast in the making.
Percy is crazy. He choked his position coach at Florida, threw a dumbbell at Brad Childress, and protected his $67 M contract by assaulting Golden Tate, Doug Baldwin, and Russell Wilson--that we know of.(Not totally crazy--picks little guys.)
But Rex loves delinquents even more than Carroll, Geno needs an outlet, and maybe they have to spend to reach the salary minimum? Idzik sure puts together a motley crew.
But Rex loves delinquents even more than Carroll, Geno needs an outlet, and maybe they have to spend to reach the salary minimum? Idzik sure puts together a motley crew.
I am not sure the Seahawks will be fine. Their offense has not been that good this year and it is not like they have the same set of receivers as they did last year. Also their defense has taken a step back (amazing -> very good), so they need more production out of their offense.Judge Mental13 said:
I don't see how it helps to put such a malcontent on an objectively awful, losing team.
The idea when you pick up Randy Moss, Albert Haynesworth, Whoever and you put them on the Patriots is that they have Belichick, an established locker room in Brady, Wilfork, etc., and there's little to complain about because the team wins almost every week.
How does this situation not explode in less than a month and 3 or 4 more losses?
I would be surprised if he didn't have a horrible case of "Migranes" that prevented him from playing in... 2 weeks.
The idea when you pick up Randy Moss, Albert Haynesworth, Whoever and you put them on the Patriots is that they have Belichick, an established locker room in Brady, Wilfork, etc., and there's little to complain about because the team wins almost every week.
How does this situation not explode in less than a month and 3 or 4 more losses?
I would be surprised if he didn't have a horrible case of "Migranes" that prevented him from playing in... 2 weeks.
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From a Jets perspective, they have the caps space so why the hell not try this if the pick can only top out at a 4th?