He may not have ended Pedroia’s career but he definitely shortened it.One more time for the people in the back:
Fuck Manny Machado
Knee replacement?I hate to be the voice of medical pessimism here... but he’s done. All the rest in the world isn’t going to make his knee better. He went the surgical route and it didn’t work well enough for him. He’ll likely end up with more surgery at some point, but it will be to allow him to live his day to day life with less pain, not to return as a functioning MLB player
I don't think anyone is saying he is coming back from this. They are just talking about the process.If by Memorial Day 2020, Dustin Pedroia sees one inning at second, I’ll donate 500 to Jimmy Fund, if not, you donate?
Good luck getting throughI don't think anyone is saying he is coming back from this. They are just talking about the process.
None of your 3 options had any chance of happening. The only path forward is what they have done.
Since you put this out there, I'll respond: No, I won't take a bet over a point on which we agree.If by Memorial Day 2020, Dustin Pedroia sees one inning at second, I’ll donate 500 to Jimmy Fund, if not, you donate?
Obviously 13.75 matters. But less to the Red Sox than the Twins. That's all.The bolded seems confused to me. The fact that their payroll is as big as it is not only doesn't make the $13.75M less significant, it's the reason why it's significant (see David Wright comments above). The number that matters, in terms of evaluating how much a useless-but-still-on-the-books Pedroia hurts the team, is not their payroll, but how much value $13.75M buys.
Doctors won’t want to do that until he’s 65. I’m not an orthopedic surgeon. I just stayed at the Holiday Inn last night.Knee replacement?
Yes, I was wondering about total knee replacement. I'm one of the 15% who didn't have a great outcome, but even for me, it made the pain less acute. I don't think he'll wait until he's 65, but it does seem it will just be for daily living, not for the extreme motions required to play baseball. I am so sad for him.Doctors won’t want to do that until he’s 65. I’m not an orthopedic surgeon. I just stayed at the Holiday Inn last night.
The Ulf Samulson to Dustins Cam NeelyOne more time for the people in the back:
Fuck Manny Machado
I only needed 50 to become a submarine captainOnly 50 points. It was Plympton
Not sure that’s true. They told me I’d need a knee replacement by 40. (I turn 40 on Saturday so there’s still time).Doctors won’t want to do that until he’s 65. I’m not an orthopedic surgeon. I just stayed at the Holiday Inn last night.
He does but I'm curious if they end up giving him the Rusney treatment in order to free up room under the tax. Possible? No? Team needs help and 13.5 would help quite a bit.He's going to "rehab" for the next couple seasons, collect his paycheck, and ride off into the sunset (or into coaching, if he so desires.)
And he deserves every cent coming to him.
No longer a thing. It's on the books, period.He does but I'm curious if they end up giving him the Rusney treatment in order to free up room under the tax. Possible? No? Team needs help and 13.5 would help quite a bit.
Maybe a partial. Sounds like isolated patellofemoral arthritisKnee replacement?
Mazel Tov !!!I only needed 50 to become a submarine captain
Any actual rehab he does, on or off the field, will be 100% his choice. The team will never "need" him to do anything. If he doesn't ever try to attempt to comeback to the field again, he will be placed on the 60-day IL each spring and left there for the year. The only potential spot where the team might need to do more is in the off-season when players on the 60-day IL have to be added back to the 40-man for the winter. If they need his spot then (to protect a Rule 5 eligible prospect or to sign a free agent), they may have to consider releasing him outright.I hope they don't need him to rehab, since he seems in lots of pain.
And I don’t think any guy that is in competition for the 40th roster spot to prevent loss in the rule 5 draft is nearly as valuable to keep with doing that to Pedroia as collateral damageAny actual rehab he does, on or off the field, will be 100% his choice. The team will never "need" him to do anything. If he doesn't ever try to attempt to comeback to the field again, he will be placed on the 60-day IL each spring and left there for the year. The only potential spot where the team might need to do more is in the off-season when players on the 60-day IL have to be added back to the 40-man for the winter. If they need his spot then (to protect a Rule 5 eligible prospect or to sign a free agent), they may have to consider releasing him outright.
I just sit through depos with orthopedic surgeons so take it FWIW. I’ve heard multiple say they will do everything possible to avoid doing a knee replacement before 65. The reason being they last for about 15 years. Of course every case is different but I think that’s the general consensus.Not sure that’s true. They told me I’d need a knee replacement by 40. (I turn 40 on Saturday so there’s still time).
As I said before, he's only actually clogging up a spot during the off-season, and typically teams don't carry a full 40-man roster at that time anyway...expressly for the purposes of adding free agents or rule 5 eligibles.If he's never going to play again, what's the damage of releasing Pedroia? I don't want him clogging up a spot someone of even marginal utility could occupy.
Our birthdays are one week apart. Or twenty years apart. Depending on how you look at it.It is truly humbling to hear Dustin Pedroia, after everything he's done and the way he's carried himself the past 15 years, say "I might not play again."
Getting old sucks.
My Dr. said that there is a preference to hold off as long as you might be able to citing the approximate 15 year expectancy of the joint. Other considerations are lifestyle and expectations of the new joint after replacement, however the level of pain that a person has to endure on a daily basis will ultimately dictate the right time for any procedure.I just sit through depos with orthopedic surgeons so take it FWIW. I’ve heard multiple say they will do everything possible to avoid doing a knee replacement before 65. The reason being they last for about 15 years. Of course every case is different but I think that’s the general consensus.
They will do injections and partial replacements. I know nothing other than what I’ve heard multiple surgeons in the Connecticut river valley say.
In our district, anyway, they have a variety of inspection and cleaning duties, plus driving to sports/etc events and they get full bennies with 32 hours a week. But they only work 42 weeks, I think.Not takings sides here, but one thing not mentioned in this school bus driver scenario is that is that it's a part time gig. Three hours a day maybe for most?
Back to the intention of the thread...Chavis is going nowhere. If/when Pedroia returns it's likely the end of the road for Nunez with Chavis and Pedroia splitting time at second and Chavis picking up additional ABs spelling guys at other positions.
Why would Pedroia go along with this?I wouldn’t be surprised if the Sox either buy out his contract or hire him as a consultant/coach so he can collect the rest of his money.
The actual language is here; G(1) is the clause that would govern.I know it won't happen. But what's the wording in the CBA? That is....suppose Pedroia retires (I know he's not going to give up the money but just work with the thought experiment) and they hire him several years later at an abnormally high salary. How much time needs to go by before the CBA doesn't really have any impact on this? How high is too high a salary?
I mean, Mike Scioscia - a former player - is among the highest paid managers at $6 million. Obviously he's been getting paid a long time before now. But what is the time frame and salary structure such that the Angels paying him this kind of money isn't a violation of the CBA?
Or next home opener when the new roster rules are in effect, so they only burn the 26th spot for a game.Would like to see him activated for the last home game of the season, 40 man space willing, and In the starting lineup, and then replaced before or after the first pitch.
Although it is probably not going to kill the team either way, it seems like it would make more sense when the active roster limit is 40, than when it's 26.Or next home opener when the new roster rules are in effect, so they only burn the 26th spot for a game.
Is it still 40 this year?Although it is probably not going to kill the team either way, it seems like it would make more sense when the active roster limit is 40, than when it's 26.
Wow, lots of rule changes. I don't really disagree when any of them. The 40 to 28 is strange.Yes, it drops from 40 to 28 next year.
So did Bob Stanley. He was healthy and could have gone several more years. Left one year and $1 million (alot of money in the early 90's) on the table.Our very own Ryan Dempster. I think Mark McGwire did too.