Peavy Trade Rumors

[Rovin Romine]

Peavy has good value in terms of being a league average starter (roughly).  So anyone who needs SP depth to keep on keeping on might want him, as the Sox did in 2013.  
 
In terms of what he brings back, I'm not sure the Sox really need anything at the ML level that Peavy's likely to bring on his own.   Our bullpen is fine.  We're not getting a league average SP *back*.  Assuming we're in it to win it, I can't see anyone really displacing any of our starters.  Either the current cast (plus Pawtucket replacements) works or it doesn't.  Victorino's healthy (for now), Nava's hitting again, JBJ is also becoming more productive, and we have a quasi surplus in X, Holt, Drew, and WMB.
 
So that leaves prospects, or Peavy in a package.  In terms of ML ready players, maybe there's a possibility for something like Peavy/Gomes for a Gomes+ type player, or Peavy/WMB for a WMB+ player.  

 

[gammoseditor]

if you ignore the off-field incident, I'd like a chance at Villalona. Peavy and Middlebrooks enough? 

 
Even without the off field incident I don't see an argument that Villalona is better than Middlebrooks.  23 years old with a .729 OPS in AA and IIRC not much defensive value. 

 

[thestardawg]

You want to trade Peavy AND Middlebrooks?  You realize Middlebrooks plays better defense at a better position than Villalona, and has better raw power than him?  What does Angel Villalona do better than Will Middlebrooks outside of homicide?

 

[soxhop411]

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN  17m
Peavy/Cards hasn't happened because BOS wanted a prospect in return; STL wanted to just take on salary. SF? Peavy/Bochy go way back.
 
https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/491705770883678209
 
Good one STL....

 

[Van Everyman]

So much for the "THE RED SOZ ARE TRIMMING PAYROLL LOLWTF" brigade.

Seriously, at this point about the only thing the Red Sox could do to shut up their critics on this front is to win the World Series again. Which would probably be described by the likes of Dan Shaughnessy and others as getting lucky at a time when they were trying to cheap out and deprive the fans.

 

[Bone Chips]

There isn't much in their farm system.  I am uncertain as to why he hasn't gotten past the hitter friendly Cal League at age 24 but this former 46th Round draft pick by the Red Sox might be about what Peavy is worth anyway:
 
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=willia028joh
 
They don't have much else and even Mac Williamson is a weak prospect.

First person I thought of was Mac Williamson. Big outfielder who had a nice year in 2013 in A league with 25 dingers. Unfortunately he blew out his elbow in April and just had TJ surgery. I'd trade Peavy for him. In a heartbeat.

 

[Cuzittt]

The faster they get rid of Peavy, the better. He's a below average major league pitcher. Every start that goes to him is one that's not going to someone who has a future with the team. I get that they probably have to wait until the last possible minute for someone to settle for him to move him, but jeez...it's frustrating to watch him.

All of this may be true.

However, given his complete lack of run support... he has to be damned near perfect to be in the position to win.

 

[MakMan44]

Exactly. 4 runs over 6 innings isn't great but it's serviceable for a team that can actually score.  

 

[mt8thsw9th]

First person I thought of was Mac Williamson. Big outfielder who had a nice year in 2013 in A league with 25 dingers. Unfortunately he blew out his elbow in April and just had TJ surgery. I'd trade Peavy for him. In a heartbeat.

An injured player who likely has no defensive value due to his size. I could see the Giants doing this in a heartbeat so they could get some value for him without the benefit of the DH, but I would hope they could do better than someone who put up an .879 OPS in CAL at 22 (I will admit some players' performance there has scarred me). This changes a bit if I could find anything about his fielding, but what's his offensive upside? Fangraphs says low average and possibly 20+ home run upside.

I guess if that's his value, you take it, but I would hope they could do better.

 

[erfus]

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@pgammo
Red Sox were in watching State College OF Rowan Wick in case Cards make deadline push for Jake Peavy
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http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=wick--001row
Wick has 14 HRs in the NY Penn league as a 21 year old.
 
I can't expect the Sox to get much value for Peavy at this point.  Coming into tonight his opponent batting line was 270/334/466 for an 800 OPS against. Fangraphs has his ERA- as 117, Baseball Reference has his ERA+ at 86, and while he may be serviceable he's not actually good or even average.  I'd think the Sox would have to pay his freight and even then he's probably more bark than bite at this point in his career.  

 

[Plympton91]

So much for the "THE RED SOZ ARE TRIMMING PAYROLL LOLWTF" brigade.

Seriously, at this point about the only thing the Red Sox could do to shut up their critics on this front is to win the World Series again. Which would probably be described by the likes of Dan Shaughnessy and others as getting lucky at a time when they were trying to cheap out and deprive the fans.

As critical as I've been of them, you can't accuse them of cheaping out. They took most of the money they saved on payroll this year and plowed it into their international signing spree. It's a shift in the way they're spending money, not an apparently large shift in the amount they're spending.

 

[Savin Hillbilly]

Seems like most of what I find when I scan the web about Mac Williamson says he's a good athlete and a likely average-or-better RF, with a very good arm. He's a hacker, but with lots of natural power.
 
Overall, he sounds like Bryce Brentz's bigger and slightly more gifted younger brother. We could probably do worse for Peavy.

 

[Plympton91]

A 6 ERA is terrible. Granted, Peavy's current ERA is 4.72. I think folks are thinking of his performance in terms of years ago when offense was rampant; because a 4.72 ERA in today's run scoring environment (paired with lousy peripherals) isn't good at all. Now, Farrell hasn't helped him by constantly leaving him in too long in the misguided attempt to find him a win, but I'd much rather see his starts go to Doubront, Workman, Webster, Ranaudo, or Wright. Results might not be much different, but at least we'd potentially learn something about someone who may have a future here.

(Can probably scratch Doubront off that list.)

It would probably also at least marginally help his ERA if the Red Sox would score a run or two when he pitches at least once a month. This is ridiculous. /gamethread.

 

[EricFeczko]

A 6 ERA is terrible. Granted, Peavy's current ERA is 4.72. I think folks are thinking of his performance in terms of years ago when offense was rampant; because a 4.72 ERA in today's run scoring environment (paired with lousy peripherals) isn't good at all. Now, Farrell hasn't helped him by constantly leaving him in too long in the misguided attempt to find him a win, but I'd much rather see his starts go to Doubront, Workman, Webster, Ranaudo, or Wright. Results might not be much different, but at least we'd potentially learn something about someone who may have a future here.

(Can probably scratch Doubront off that list.)

 

It would probably also at least marginally help his ERA if the Red Sox would score a run or two when he pitches at least once a month. This is ridiculous. /gamethread.

Run scoring environment does not equate to hitting. For example, here's the league ERA by year:
 
2014: 3.80
2013: 3.87
2012: 4.01
2011: 3.94
2010: 4.08
2009: 4.32
2008: 4.32
2007: 4.47
2006: 4.53
2005: 4.29
2004: 4.46
 
An ERA of 4.72 is nearly a run higher than the league ERA in 2014; it would be about a fifth of a run higher in 2004.
 

 

[Savin Hillbilly]

I think folks are thinking of his performance in terms of years ago when offense was rampant; because a 4.72 ERA in today's run scoring environment (paired with lousy peripherals) isn't good at all.

 

 
Run scoring environment does not equate to hitting. For example, here's the league ERA by year:
 
2014: 3.80
2013: 3.87
2012: 4.01
2011: 3.94
2010: 4.08
2009: 4.32
2008: 4.32
2007: 4.47
2006: 4.53
2005: 4.29
2004: 4.46
 
An ERA of 4.72 is nearly a run higher than the league ERA in 2014; it would be about a fifth of a run higher in 2004.
 

 
Can you clarify what point you're making, Eric? Rudy already made the point about the 4.72 ERA being significantly worse now than "years ago," yet you make the same point as if you're arguing with him. And I have no idea what you mean by "Run scoring environment does not equate to hitting."

 

[soxhop411]

 

 

 

Jen Royle ‏@Jen_Royle  3m
Even though Peavy moved to 1-9 last night, teams are not backing off from him. Interest is still strong. Total of seven teams have inquired.
https://twitter.com/Jen_Royle/status/492040422114328576
 
 
Jen Royle ‏@Jen_Royle  10s
Source: Peavy is "not close" to leaving Boston. Talks are not heating up with any particular team.
https://twitter.com/Jen_Royle/status/492041683211526144

 

[soxhop411]

Gordon Edes ‏@GordonEdes  1m
Pirates, Giants, Brewers and Royals all had scouts who saw Peavy last night. Cardinals did not.
 
We now know 4 out of the 7 teams..
 
https://twitter.com/GordonEdes/status/492093328968916993

 

[soxhop411]

Jen Royle ‏@Jen_Royle  3m
Red Sox scouted Angels' players in the Arizona Rookie League this past weekend. As I reported last week, they are in the Peavy sweepstakes
 
https://twitter.com/Jen_Royle/status/492111820069433344
 
Roster
 
stat page

 

[bosockboy]

Giants and Bucs make a ton of sense.

 

[TheYaz67]

Well, given he leads the AL in HR allowed, it likely will be an NL team with home field that features deep fences...

 

[TomRicardo]

 
Gordon Edes ‏@GordonEdes  1m
Pirates, Giants, Brewers and Royals all had scouts who saw Peavy last night. Cardinals did not.
 
We now know 4 out of the 7 teams..
 
https://twitter.com/GordonEdes/status/492093328968916993
 

 
Why would you exclude the Cardinals from inquiries?  They have been scouting Peavy for a bit.

 

[RedOctober3829]

https://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/492430375361445888

 

[mauidano]

So really no big deal.  We would be unloading Jake Peavy who isn't the worst pitcher on our staff for a few unknown "prospects" that if they do even pan out, it could be a few years.  I don't get the fever pitch intensity over this.  The only who gains really is Peavy.  He gets another shot at the playoffs.  Good for him, meh for us.

 

[Buzzkill Pauley]

So really no big deal.  We would be unloading Jake Peavy who isn't the worst pitcher on our staff for a few unknown "prospects" that if they do even pan out, it could be a few years.  I don't get the fever pitch intensity over this.  The only who gains really is Peavy.  He gets another shot at the playoffs.  Good for him, meh for us.

 
If the Sox can get even one lottery ticket acceptable as a throw-in for Tulo or Stanton in the offseason, instead of Devers or perhaps even Alex Basabe...well, it sounds like a fair return on Peavy.
 
He may not be the worst pitcher on the Sox, but he won't be the best pitcher on any staff willing to trade for him, either.
 
2014: a year for lowered expectations!

 

[E5 Yaz]

So really no big deal.  We would be unloading Jake Peavy who isn't the worst pitcher on our staff for a few unknown "prospects" that if they do even pan out, it could be a few years.  I don't get the fever pitch intensity over this.  The only who gains really is Peavy.  He gets another shot at the playoffs.  Good for him, meh for us.

 
No offense, but what makes you think they'd get more than one?

 

[MakMan44]

So really no big deal.  We would be unloading Jake Peavy who isn't the worst pitcher on our staff for a few unknown "prospects" that if they do even pan out, it could be a few years.  I don't get the fever pitch intensity over this.  The only who gains really is Peavy.  He gets another shot at the playoffs.  Good for him, meh for us.

Well for one, it's getting an asset for someone who was walking at the end of the season anyway without a QO. 
 
But mostly, the season is just about over and discussing what we can get for Peavy is most interesting than watching the Red Sox get dominated by Stroman. 

 

[ivanvamp]

 
Jen Royle ‏@Jen_Royle  3m
Red Sox scouted Angels' players in the Arizona Rookie League this past weekend. As I reported last week, they are in the Peavy sweepstakes
 
 

 
Can it really be called a "sweepstakes"??

 

[Hee Sox Choi]

 
Can it really be called a "sweepstakes"??

 
When framed from the Red Sox perspective?  Of course!

 

[Sprowl]

There's seven teams interested in Peavy, yet the Sox are scouting players in the NYPL and the Arizona Rookie League? Guess that tells you how much teams want Peavy, eh?

 
No, it tells you how much the Red Sox are concentrating on high-ceiling talent that is far from the major leagues. The team has a full pipeline of players battling for major-league spots, and will soon have promoted most of them. How high the ceiling is depends on how much of Peavy's salary the Red Sox absorb. The Cardinals wanted Peavy for nothing and were willing to pay Peavy's salary themselves. The Red Sox, wisely, held out for talent instead of money.

 

[mabrowndog]

There's seven teams interested in Peavy, yet the Sox are scouting players in the NYPL and the Arizona Rookie League? Guess that tells you how much teams want Peavy, eh?

 
To follow up on Sprowl's post, acquiring younger players would mean they wouldn't have to protect from the Rule 5 draft this winter by placing them on the 40-man (or on the 38-man AAA and 37-man AA reserve rosters to protect from the minor league phases).
 
In addition:
 
1) Your post addressed what amounts to two news reports. By two reporters. Who cited two sources, presumably covering one league apiece. That doesn't mean the Sox are ONLY scouting players in those two leagues. But it's the only information being reported.
 
2) Tom Kotchman (Casey's dad) is now the manager of Boston's GCL Sox rookie club, but he spent three decades with the Angels as a scout & coach and signed a number of their current prospects. That includes RHSP Mike Clevinger (BA #17, a 2011 4th-rounder) who's still working his way back from 2012 TJ surgery; and RHRP Joe Krehbiel (BA #23, 2011 12th-rounder) who destroys RHB. But Kotchman is probably intimately familiar with pretty much every Angels prospect signed in 2013 or earlier.
 
Their AZL club also features LHSP Ricardo Sanchez, their #7 BA prospect who signed for $580k last year as a 16-yo IFA from Venezuela. He's now eligible to be traded.
 
Mind you, there are no rumors or reports pointing directly to any of these players. I'm simply connecting the dots as to who the Sox might have their eyes on given their connections.
 
EDIT - Crap, disregard Nick Maronde. I forgot he was traded to the Indians earlier this month.

 

[dcmissle]

He'll be gone soon enough.

Trader Danny, meet Trader Ben. This is all about asset accumulation, not only to build the foundation with high ceiling guys, but also to stockpile a war chest, which they unfortunately might have to spend for a #1.

Unlike the hash they have made of certain things, I have some confidence they will handle this wheeling and dealing well.

 

[Corsi]

Jen Royle, fwiw
 

Source: One NL team is close to acquiring Jake Peavy. Hearing it's NOT St. Louis. Lots of things need to happens before this gets done.
 

https://twitter.com/Jen_Royle/status/493039038694432768

 

[Corsi]

Jen Royle @Jen_Royle  ·  6m
Gun to my head Id say Giants or Brewers in on Peavy. There's no way St. Louis would torture his soul and reunite him with Pierzynski
 

 

[Kramerica Industries]

Jen Royle, fwiw
 
https://twitter.com/Jen_Royle/status/493039038694432768

What does that even mean?
 
"close to a trade but lots of things needs to happen before it gets done. I have no idea what team is close to getting Peavy."
 
What??? 

 

[Corsi]

What does that even mean?
 
"close to a trade but lots of things needs to happen before it gets done. I have no idea what team is close to getting Peavy."
 
What??? 

 
Agreed, and she responds to that very question in her typical bitchy fashion:
 
 

Matt Kalman ‏@TheBruinsBlog  7m
@Jen_Royle @IAmJamesStewart so is it close or are there lots of things to get done?
 
 
Jen Royle ‏@Jen_Royle
.@TheBruinsBlog @IAmJamesStewart "It's close. But things fall thru." -- Why are you questioning me like Im an idiot?

 

[Yaz4Ever]

 
Agreed, and she responds to that very question in her typical bitchy fashion:
 
 

Hey, are you on D&C?  I'm joking.
 
She does, however, come across as a defensive moron in the exchange you shared.

 

[soxhop411]

“@Ken_Rosenthal: Source: #RedSox, #SFGiants were in serious discussions on Peavy yesterday.”


https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/493046914594529280

 

[PaulinMyrBch]

Edit: See above.

Rosenthal twitter saying Giants/Sox engaged in serious talks. We scouted prospects in Bradenton yesterday. (On phone so no link). But it just hit twitter.

 

[Yaz4Ever]

Edit: See above.

Rosenthal twitter saying Giants/Sox engaged in serious talks. We scouted prospects in Bradenton yesterday. (On phone so no link). But it just hit twitter.

Other than Josh Bell, who else would the Sox be interested in from the Marauder team?

 

[Corsi]

 

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal  18s
#SFGiants close to acquiring Peavy from #RedSox, sources tell @jonmorosi and me. Details still need to be worked out.
 

 

[67WasBest]

Other than Josh Bell, who else would the Sox be interested in from the Marauder team?

Pieces and parts for other deals is always a possibility.

 

[LuckyBen]

Gary Brown?

 

[Yaz4Ever]

Pieces and parts for other deals is always a possibility.

Absolutely true.  Josh Bell is the only name I know from that team, though.  Don't think he can be had for Peavy, though.

 

[Corsi]

 

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS  24s
Peavy is going to giants
 

 

[MakMan44]

Gary Brown?

Have you looked at his numbers? So bad. 

 

[Pesky Pole]

Maybe Mac Williamson. He's old for his level but real nice numbers in 2013. Red Sox drafted him too in 2011 only to have him go to Wake Forest.

 

[Corsi]

 

JIM BOWDEN ‏@JimBowdenESPNxm  5s
Red Sox and Giants close to a deal that will send Jake Peavy to San Francisco according to source
 

 

[URI]

This totally didn't need a new thread.

I know it's your first day on the site Corsi, but you fucking suck. Stop making more work for us.