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I agree. They should just add Chris, Van, or Mallory to whatever duo is tabbed to do a Rewatchables, and proceed from there. They all bring something, and if Bill is involved, they've shown themselves willing to challenge him when he asserts something that is clearly wrong. (Like his often lookism-based recasting decisions).
Was listening to silence of the lambs recasting coach and Jule Roberts or Michelle Pfieffer for Clarise. Also claim Pfieffer should have taken the helen hunt role in castaway. Because she really seems like the sort of person who would be married to a pudgy fedex middle manager
 

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Mallory did Bridesmaids in January of 2021. That was the last one she's been on.

Needless to say, there is never a reason to do a 2 person Rewatchables. It's always worse than a 3 or 4 person one. Always.
I think the lack of Mallory is mostly due to the types of movies she’d been strongest on (sci-fi/fantasy/superhero/genre) are completely out of Bill’s wheelhouse and aren’t likely to be featured.
 

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I think the lack of Mallory is mostly due to the types of movies she’d been strongest on (sci-fi/fantasy/superhero/genre) are completely out of Bill’s wheelhouse and aren’t likely to be featured.
I do not agree. It is because nobody can debate with Mallory, who is really smart, well researched, and an excellent speaker on her feet.

Simmons can't handle that smoke. He doesn't even bother to try because he knows Mallory would obliterate Bill if it was necessary.

Do you think Mallory Rubin can't do an analysis of a movie because it's not Harry Potter? She knows everything about everything.
 

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I do not agree. It is because nobody can debate with Mallory, who is really smart, well researched, and an excellent speaker on her feet.

Simmons can't handle that smoke. He doesn't even bother to try because he knows Mallory would obliterate Bill if it was necessary.

Do you think Mallory Rubin can't do an analysis of a movie because it's not Harry Potter? She knows everything about everything.
I meant that more about Bill’s somewhat narrow view of the types of movies that can be featured in the pod than specifically about Mallory (who is great). In the early days, he’d probably be on 80% of the pods and they would be some more varied host/guest lineups, but over time it’s basically rare when he’s not on an ep. So that usually means the pods will be limited to movies in the Simmons canon, which is somewhat limited given BS’ overall disinterest in certain genres.
 

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Simmons getting so mad he had to leave his house to go to cryotherapy was a highlight this week
 

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I meant that more about Bill’s somewhat narrow view of the types of movies that can be featured in the pod than specifically about Mallory (who is great). In the early days, he’d probably be on 80% of the pods and they would be some more varied host/guest lineups, but over time it’s basically rare when he’s not on an ep. So that usually means the pods will be limited to movies in the Simmons canon, which is somewhat limited given BS’ overall disinterest in certain genres.
I know Binge Mode covered Harry Potter, Star Wars, and others, but it is truly obnoxious that the rewatchables hasn't come close to touching anything in the fantasy or sci fi world. That is certainly a BS decision and it's pretty sad.
 

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I know it's ramped up for the bit, but it seems like Ben Simmons is basically going to turn into Biff.

As long as Ben doesn't get into goofy sci-fi/ fantsy movies and make his dad cover them on the Rewatchables, he is ok in my book
 

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I do not agree. It is because nobody can debate with Mallory, who is really smart, well researched, and an excellent speaker on her feet.

Simmons can't handle that smoke. He doesn't even bother to try because he knows Mallory would obliterate Bill if it was necessary.

Do you think Mallory Rubin can't do an analysis of a movie because it's not Harry Potter? She knows everything about everything.
To add to this point, I think we got a peek of why Mallory is not welcomed in one of the recent The Big Picture movie drafts when Van mentioned that he did a pod with her in which they were to debate Tobey Maguire versus Tom Holland as Spider-Man, which he expected to be a friendly back and forth, but Mallory approached it like she was arguing a Supreme Court case. Everyone then chimed in about how intense and intimidating Mallory can be in these discussions, capped by Chris Ryan relating how she destroyed him after he chose Superman in their superhero draft years ago. I love and respect Mallory for her talents, but she's clearly the hypercompetitive friend you're reluctant to have over on game night.
 

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I know Binge Mode covered Harry Potter, Star Wars, and others, but it is truly obnoxious that the rewatchables hasn't come close to touching anything in the fantasy or sci fi world. That is certainly a BS decision and it's pretty sad.
My pet peeve about The Rewatchables is that he won't let Sean and Chris and other film nerds do the classics. Casablanca is a rewatchable film. It Happened One Night is a rewatchable film. Bonnie and Clyde is a rewatchable film. The Quiet Man, It's a Wonderful Life, Citizen Kane---just go to the TCM hub and it's full of them. Rewatchable films didn't begin when Bill discovered movies.
 

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To add to this point, I think we got a peek of why Mallory is not welcomed in one of the recent The Big Picture movie drafts when Van mentioned that he did a pod with her in which they were to debate Tobey Maguire versus Tom Holland as Spider-Man, which he expected to be a friendly back and forth, but Mallory approached it like she was arguing a Supreme Court case. Everyone then chimed in about how intense and intimidating Mallory can be in these discussions, capped by Chris Ryan relating how she destroyed him after he chose Superman in their superhero draft years ago. I love and respect Mallory for her talents, but she's clearly the hypercompetitive friend you're reluctant to have over on game night.
The funny thing is Van did perfectly fine against Mallory in that debate. And Van was certainly arguing the worse side. It was pretty evenly matched, in my opinion. I think Van presented it that way because he wanted something to riff on and be hilarious about.(which Van is truly one of a kind in) The Spidey court case and Van's reaction were both great pieces of content.

But you might be right. If she goes so hard, the juice might not be worth the squeeze. The fact is, it's definitely not worth it to Simmons. Ryan and Van are able to laugh at themselves. Mr. Simmons, Sir Bill to you, is not.
 

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Considering that the only movies Hollywood makes nowadays are super hero movies or remakes or biopic Oscar bait, I'm glad that the Rewatchables has found a niche of looking at mostly original content made for the big screen at a time when that kind of entertainment was valued. I can go anywhere for discussions of the Marvel series or Star Wars or whatever tentpole Sci-Fi series and frankly I personally don't find most of those films to be original, exciting, entertaining, or even Rewatchable (the third new Star Wars movie wasn't even a Watchable for me). Like I wouldn't say The Rock is good, but it's definitely entertaining, it definitely has a style to it, and I know it's annoying to say "They don't make them like they used to" but... they don't make movies like the Rock anymore. Leave the discussion of the big tentpole superhero and sci-fi stuff to the other podcast channels and let the Rewatchables focus on the kind of hits that have disappeared from the big screen in recent years.

Regarding classics like Casablanca - is that really a Rewatchable? It's a great movie, but if it's on a channel, I'm not immediately sucked in the way I am with Dumb and Dumber or Bad Boys. The entertainment value isn't quite there, there aren't as many funny moments, and I wouldn't really want to hear Simmons talk about a movie like that anyway.
 

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"Rewatchables" are movies Bill saw on TBS on hungover Sunday afternoons in the 90s and aughts back when linear TV was all we had. He's not evolving past that.

edit: re 2 versus 3+ people on the pod, 2 can be ok as long as one isn't Simmons (e.g. Trainspotting was great. With him you need at least three. I could be surprised, but I expect this upcoming one to be awful.
 
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Considering that the only movies Hollywood makes nowadays are super hero movies or remakes or biopic Oscar bait, I'm glad that the Rewatchables has found a niche of looking at mostly original content made for the big screen at a time when that kind of entertainment was valued. I can go anywhere for discussions of the Marvel series or Star Wars or whatever tentpole Sci-Fi series and frankly I personally don't find most of those films to be original, exciting, entertaining, or even Rewatchable (the third new Star Wars movie wasn't even a Watchable for me). Like I wouldn't say The Rock is good, but it's definitely entertaining, it definitely has a style to it, and I know it's annoying to say "They don't make them like they used to" but... they don't make movies like the Rock anymore. Leave the discussion of the big tentpole superhero and sci-fi stuff to the other podcast channels and let the Rewatchables focus on the kind of hits that have disappeared from the big screen in recent years.

Regarding classics like Casablanca - is that really a Rewatchable? It's a great movie, but if it's on a channel, I'm not immediately sucked in the way I am with Dumb and Dumber or Bad Boys. The entertainment value isn't quite there, there aren't as many funny moments, and I wouldn't really want to hear Simmons talk about a movie like that anyway.
They definitely make movies like The Rock. They have made a million Olympus Has Fallen movies. Those are basically The Rock. The Rock, in fact, has made "The Rock" at least a couple of times. (Hobbes & Shaw, Skyscraper, San Andreas, etc.)

More movies are being made today than ever before. The movies that make the most money are certainly tentpole movies, but they still do make 'em liked they used to. They are just way less well known.
 

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Given the Ringer's target demo is probably white men aged 30 to 50, the "TBS hangover strategy" is a sound one. Not to mention the pod is wildly successful.
 

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Given the Ringer's target demo is probably white men aged 30 to 50, the "TBS hangover strategy" is a sound one. Not to mention the pod is wildly successful.
This is true but kind of not relevant--folks just opinining that the'd rather havea broader range of hosts and topics (which historically the pod did have) --we all know Bill Simmons is like, super rich and has hundreds of thousands of adoring fans. The format is pretty good, a lot of the ringer regulars are pretty good, I think the hope/preference being expressed is that it might be more fun to have Fennessey and Ryan and Greenwald do the Friends of Eddie Coyle than to hear Simmons and anyone do Cobra.
 

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This is true but kind of not relevant--folks just opinining that the'd rather havea broader range of hosts and topics (which historically the pod did have) --we all know Bill Simmons is like, super rich and has hundreds of thousands of adoring fans. The format is pretty good, a lot of the ringer regulars are pretty good, I think the hope/preference being expressed is that it might be more fun to have Fennessey and Ryan and Greenwald do the Friends of Eddie Coyle than to hear Simmons and anyone do Cobra.
Agreed, but the Cobra pod was a pretty good time, even if it did suffer from only being Billy Big Bucks and Kyle Brandt (I think).
 

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Agreed, but the Cobra pod was a pretty good time, even if it did suffer from only being Billy Big Bucks and Kyle Brandt (I think).
It was awesome and Simmons and Ryan doing Heat long enough to get Mann to finally join them was also awesome.
 

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This is true but kind of not relevant--folks just opinining that the'd rather havea broader range of hosts and topics (which historically the pod did have) --we all know Bill Simmons is like, super rich and has hundreds of thousands of adoring fans. The format is pretty good, a lot of the ringer regulars are pretty good, I think the hope/preference being expressed is that it might be more fun to have Fennessey and Ryan and Greenwald do the Friends of Eddie Coyle than to hear Simmons and anyone do Cobra.
Sure in the abstract and assuming there is an unlimited number of resources / time to do so. Given there isn't, they play to their demo. If the Ryan / Greenwald pods, which are more in the realm you're talking about, got downloads and listens (which they can track pretty specifically within the Spotify ecosystem and extrapolate from there) I'm sure they'd do more of them.

I fully realize that right now I'm doing the same as the posters that complain about the feasibility of "Recasting Couch" options because they're filming X, Y, or Z.
 

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They definitely make movies like The Rock. They have made a million Olympus Has Fallen movies. Those are basically The Rock. The Rock, in fact, has made "The Rock" at least a couple of times. (Hobbes & Shaw, Skyscraper, San Andreas, etc.)

More movies are being made today than ever before. The movies that make the most money are certainly tentpole movies, but they still do make 'em liked they used to. They are just way less well known.
The main difference is that those movies aren't very enjoyable (outside of Hobbes and Shaw IMO, which is not a standalone film) - it's not like we'll even remember them in twenty years. I watched Red Notice over the weekend and it has all the hallmarks of a movie like the Rock - witty banter, action, etc - but none of the charm or inventiveness. Yeah, they still make facsimiles of those movies, but they don't do it as well. That's what I meant (though, obviously that's a personal preference thing and not an objective statement).
 

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Spotify told me that The Rewatchables was my most-listened to podcast of 2021, and I'm perfectly content with the range of films they discuss on the show. I think one could argue that the 70s/80s/90s superhero and sci-fi movies should be included -- for example, I'd love to get a Batman '89 episode (or Superman '78 for that matter) -- but I don't need the 1000th rehashing of Marvel or LotR or the newest Star Wars. And in the same way, as much as Citizen Kane is a classic, I don't need it on this show. It's not pop culture for the vast, vast, vast majority of the audience (including me).
 

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I'll give Simmons some credit: he clearly allows Ryan and Fenessey to do movies he doesn't care for (e.g. Trainspotting).

I just find the choices on what movies they highlight to be kind of odd in what they haven't done juxtaposed with what they have. I mean, no National Lampoon's Vacation but then they'll do....Focus? Draft Day? Country Strong? I get that they are "saving" some movies so they always have a few to fall back on but jeez. And I know he's generally anti sci fi but Aliens is sitting right fucking there and he's talked about it before so you know he's seen it.
 

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The problem is the TBS/TNT/USA, et al stations are all crammed with one type of movie now--superhero movies. It's insane but most nights one can scroll through a cable guide and just find 6 hours of superhero movies running on four to five stations. And that just on basic cable, so I'm not counting that spare channel on Epix that seems to run the first Avengers movie and/or Captain America: The First Avenger every night. They're going to have to broaden their palate at some point or they're going to wind up just recycling movies. It worked fine with Heat, but they're not always going to be lucky enough to have the director sit in with them for a pod with that sort of rigid format. (Like the "recasting couch" segment. I'm pretty sure every director would have answered those questions exactly as Michael Mann did, essentially saying that while a number of people may be considered for any part, the person in the role was the person they wanted.)

And I would be all for a The Friends of Eddie Coyle Rewatchables.
 

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I'm around the same age as Simmons. The Rewatchables works (for me at least) because a lot of the movies they do are in fact movies I re-watched a ton in the 80s, 90s and 00s before I had kids when I had tons of time to sit on the couch and watch a movie for the 10th or 20th time, a lot of times with my buddies on a random Saturday afternoon or whatever (which is sort of the whole premise of the pod). There are few movies that I even catch these days for a variety of reasons (limited free time and I tend to be sucked into one of the many awesome TV shows out there when I have time to watch something) so when I do see movies now I rarely see them more than once, and the last time I watched a movie with my buddies was probably 20+ years ago. The pod works best for me when it's a movie I've seen a bunch of times and can remember, and when it is a movie that is a shared experience with my friends. I liked Once Upon a Time in Hollywood but I've only seen it once, so I skipped that one. On the other hand if they did Heat a fourth time I'd probably listen to that one. From that angle, the movies they pick (for the most part) are perfect, IMO.
 

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Simmons getting so mad he had to leave his house to go to cryotherapy was a highlight this week
Truly an incredible scene.

Dad, where are you going?
Just going to freeze myself to death for teasing Kirk Cousins again. Be back in a few.
Mom, he's going to his Darth Vader Chamber again. Does this mean no Christmas?
 

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Truly an incredible scene.

Dad, where are you going?
Just going to freeze myself to death for teasing Kirk Cousins again. Be back in a few.
Mom, he's going to his Darth Vader Chamber again. Does this mean no Christmas?
Simmons literally praying to God openly on a podcast to not tease the Vikings again; and then he does tease them AGAIN, and then they lose to the Lions on a last second play…

View: https://youtu.be/cuoiAt_k-CE
 

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Great Saturday Night Fever Rewatchables with Bill and Jimmy Kimmel.
I liked it also. And then I moseyed to the Bill Simmons reddit and read the thread on this episode, and Kimmel was universally destroyed. I didn't get it. Kimmel was good but I guess people think he's a Hollywood phony. But aren't they all?
 

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Have to hope that Karen Lynn Gorney (which I was picturing as Karen Lingorni as I listened) skipped this one. They tried to throw in a token "I'm sure she's a very nice person", but man, she had a rough go.
 

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I liked it also. And then I moseyed to the Bill Simmons reddit and read the thread on this episode, and Kimmel was universally destroyed. I didn't get it. Kimmel was good but I guess people think he's a Hollywood phony. But aren't they all?
I went to the reddit after I read your post and saw this... perfect.



Bill: What I really love about your movies is that you cast them the same way I would build a basketball team.

PTA: I don’t watch sports.

Bill: Right but take Licorice Pizza for example. You saw where things were going with star centers and how they were sort of trending down and stuff. So you built around youth and you have these two lesser knowns who are versatile and do a lot of different things. Kind of like Steph and Klay at the beginning of the Golden State run.

PTA: I don’t know what that is.

Bill: And your film career is an interesting evolution that really parallels the NBA. You had Boogie Nights in the 90s, star studded cast that reminds me of Lakers team from that era. Then as the rest of the league zigs toward that model you zag and build around a singular star, Daniel Daze Lewis—

PTA: Day-Lewis.

Bill: …and that really felt like building a team around Lebron. And I just think that’s interesting. What actor most reminds you of Jayson Tatum?

PTA: Did you watch the film?

Bill: Yeah. Most people probably didn’t like it or understand it but I loved it from the beginning. Thought it was maybe 20 minutes too long but I liked the soundtrack. Do you think this movie could get made today?
 

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The only two person Rewatchables that really works is Ryan/Greenwald, and only because of their personal chemistry. But the only ones I can think of them doing together are ZODIAC and TRAINSPOTTING.
 
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The only two person Rewatchables that really works is Ryan/Greenwald, and only because of their personal chemistry. But the only one I can think of them doing together is ZODIAC.
Royal Tenenbaums too, maybe? Which was very good but not like a funny romp. Seemed like a different pod.
 

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They did Trainspotting recently. It's definitely more of a "film nerd" vibe as opposed to a "sit around a bar and bullshit" vibe on a SImmons-led pod. I imagine Chris is doing a lot less Pacino's on the Greenwald ones.
 

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They did Trainspotting recently. It's definitely more of a "film nerd" vibe as opposed to a "sit around a bar and bullshit" vibe on a SImmons-led pod. I imagine Chris is doing a lot less Pacino's on the Greenwald ones.
Trainspotting was kind of different because, from their discussion, it was a major point in them becoming friends. And shockingly, because of his time as a study abroad student in Scotland the guy breaking into an accent for most of the pod was Greenwald, not Ryan.
 

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Sal's impersonation of Collinsworth today is great...and then him asking, "Where's Michelle? What happened to Michelle, Al?" absolutely has me in stitches of laughter.
One of the best. They might have had more than a few pops before this one. Sounded like they edited a decent amount of stuff out unless my app was malfunctioning. Who was the player Sal said was going to turn around the interview on and start asking Michelle where she had been?
 

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One of the best. They might have had more than a few pops before this one. Sounded like they edited a decent amount of stuff out unless my app was malfunctioning. Who was the player Sal said was going to turn around the interview on and start asking Michelle where she had been?
Alvin Kamara. I laughed out loud multiple times listening to this episode.