Pearl Jammin' with Grandpa, the Bill Simmons Thread
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I think people are underrating Murphy's appeal to millennials and Gen Z. In addition to being in Shrek and Mulan (two movies every single person my age has seen) he also did a bunch of kids/family movies in the 2000s (Dr. Doolittle, Daddy Day Care, Haunted Mansion, Meet Dave, Imagine That) which were not critically acclaimed and some of them were notably box office bombs, but kids still watched them.
Voice acting roles aren't the same as live action in creating recognition from kids. Otherwise Idina Menzel would be the biggest star in Hollywood. Do you think Mike Myers is well known for people under 25? He's probably known as "Austin Powers" if at all.
The Shining is still culturally relevant, and Batman was bigger than every 80s Murphy movie.
Rankings
1. LeBron
2. Denzel
3. Jack
4. Eddie
The Shining is still culturally relevant, and Batman was bigger than every 80s Murphy movie.
Rankings
1. LeBron
2. Denzel
3. Jack
4. Eddie
Bill watched this week's Succession twice and still had to have Joanna and Sean convince him that the viral video referred to in the episode was Roman crying at his father's funeral. I'd ask why someone that inattentive was on a pod discussing an episode of TV if I already didn't know the answer.
Yes. Not all voice-acting roles create recognition, but Murphy has in one of the most popular series of children's movies ever, that multiple generations of kids watch, in addition to prominent live action work that kids have seen.
As for Myers, Shrek is way more culturally relevant to people under 30 than Austin Powers.
My point is that Myers isn't popular with people under 25 at all. They probably wouldn't know his real name.
Again... Voice acting roles don't create the same brand recognition as live action. Although it is funny to think about Owen Wilson being wildly popular with gen-z because of Cars.
Joanna is a nice, thoughtful person who is also truly intelligent. She is well studied, researched, and polished. There isn't much she talks about that she doesn't know hands down. I think she is fantastic no matter what she is talking about.
You just have to wonder what she thinks about Simmons, who is the opposite and absolutely just riffing and half assing his way through every pod now.
My point is that you are wrong. And the argument is really "Is Eddie Murphy more known than Jack Nicholson, specifically with younger people?" and while Mike Myers won't be rivaling LeBron James in terms of public notoriety, certainly Murphy has more cultural cache with younger people than Nicholson, who hasn't been in a movie in 13 years.
Cool. You're wrong. The Shining and The Departed get more streaming views than any Eddie Murphy live action movie from 1980 - 2010.
He thought it was possibly of Logan on the plane. Because somebody said something about Ray uploading it and Ray was on the plane, so........
I mean, you could clearly hear Roman crying during the video. I'm not sure what Bill is thinking half the time.
And to johnmd20's point, Joanna is so in tune with this show, it's themes, and how things tie together. She regularly is citing Shakespeare and how there are similarities, at time, with this show. All Bill can come up with is "You probably won't get this Joanna" and then talk about sports or the Sopranos. I would love a pod with just Jo and Sean for the finale.
Who is streaming them? I have no idea what the answer is but the data point you use isn’t overly convincing.
Doesn’t Gerri specifically say “Oh, no not Roman..” as the video is played?
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I listened to the most recent Simmons pod with Kevin O’Connor. Before I get into it, I have to say that Bill deserves a tremendous amount of credit for talking about the “Zombie Heat” and recognizing CJM could be a liability a lot earlier than others.
With that being said, this was pretty awful. As @m0ckduck0 pointed out earlier, even after a win, Simmons was kind of shockingly negative. I’m not the rosiest person when it comes to the Celtics but even I was getting a little annoyed at the constant negativity.
There were two other things that stood out to me as really, really fucking dumb. Simmons was talking about potential CJM replacements and talked about the need for a coach with experience…he went through the normal cast we hear about and then suggested…JJ Redick. This was so bad that KOC, who is pretty agreeable with Bill, started laughing at him.
The other was discussing how the new CBA will make it really hard to have two super max players so the Celtics might have to trade Jaylen Brown. That, in and of itself, is very reasonable. Unfortunately, his second trade idea was Bradley fucking Beal and the 8 for Brown. I honestly couldn’t believe how terrible the idea was…especially coming from a guy who has talked multiple times about how awful Beal’s contract is and how the Wizards would be lucky to get anything of value for him. It also doesn’t clear salary…
(The other idea was Simons and 3 for Brown. I also think that’s a terrible trade but at least it actually cuts salary)
With that being said, this was pretty awful. As @m0ckduck0 pointed out earlier, even after a win, Simmons was kind of shockingly negative. I’m not the rosiest person when it comes to the Celtics but even I was getting a little annoyed at the constant negativity.
There were two other things that stood out to me as really, really fucking dumb. Simmons was talking about potential CJM replacements and talked about the need for a coach with experience…he went through the normal cast we hear about and then suggested…JJ Redick. This was so bad that KOC, who is pretty agreeable with Bill, started laughing at him.
The other was discussing how the new CBA will make it really hard to have two super max players so the Celtics might have to trade Jaylen Brown. That, in and of itself, is very reasonable. Unfortunately, his second trade idea was Bradley fucking Beal and the 8 for Brown. I honestly couldn’t believe how terrible the idea was…especially coming from a guy who has talked multiple times about how awful Beal’s contract is and how the Wizards would be lucky to get anything of value for him. It also doesn’t clear salary…
(The other idea was Simons and 3 for Brown. I also think that’s a terrible trade but at least it actually cuts salary)
I didn't think Simmons was unreasonably negative in that pod, though he was definitely singing a far more positive tune after last night's game.
His ongoing trade suggestions involving Timelord seem crazy to me. His contract is way too reasonable for almost any trade to make sense.
His ongoing trade suggestions involving Timelord seem crazy to me. His contract is way too reasonable for almost any trade to make sense.
As long as Simmons meant as an assistant not a head coach he wasn't off the mark at all. This is from last year: https://celticswire.usatoday.com/lists/nba-boston-celtics-no-redick-for-you/
The new Simmons pod with House is pretty rough -- at least the first hour or so of it.
The (what felt like) 20 minutes spent talking about what teams got close to the Finals but never made it might've been the most boring thing he's ever put to tape. After all of it, his big conclusion was "teams who never won a Finals but got close made personnel mistakes." I don't think KOC or Russillo would've let him yammer on for so long, but House knows how is bread is buttered.
He also reiterated that Al Horford was coaching the Celtics, which is deeply annoying (and discussed more in the Mazzulla thread).
Lastly, after spending forever displaying his deep knowledge of NBA history, the example he used to prove how great it is to have a pass-first point guard was how great he felt when some guy that he and House played pick-up ball with at Holy Cross played point guard on his team.
I may need to take a break from him until football gets closer. I'll for sure skip his next podcast because I can't listen to another hour of him killing Mazzulla now that the Celtics have said they're keeping him.
The (what felt like) 20 minutes spent talking about what teams got close to the Finals but never made it might've been the most boring thing he's ever put to tape. After all of it, his big conclusion was "teams who never won a Finals but got close made personnel mistakes." I don't think KOC or Russillo would've let him yammer on for so long, but House knows how is bread is buttered.
He also reiterated that Al Horford was coaching the Celtics, which is deeply annoying (and discussed more in the Mazzulla thread).
Lastly, after spending forever displaying his deep knowledge of NBA history, the example he used to prove how great it is to have a pass-first point guard was how great he felt when some guy that he and House played pick-up ball with at Holy Cross played point guard on his team.
I may need to take a break from him until football gets closer. I'll for sure skip his next podcast because I can't listen to another hour of him killing Mazzulla now that the Celtics have said they're keeping him.
I guess this is why he stopped calling himself the (Boston) Sports Guy. Because if he can't speak intelligently on basketball, there's really no sport on which he can do so.
I only listen to him regularly during football season, and for the most part only the pods with Sal, and that's more about their interaction with each other than any knowledge of football either of them brings to their discussion.
The Jaylen portion was awful too. He starts off going “I was texting various people and sources if Jaylen can improve…” he then changes the topic and never gets back to it….
Also, the trade offers hes been throwing out there are fucking terrible. Houston where the best piece back is the 4th pick in a 3 person draft….and then Jerami Grant and the,3rd pick? I mean, those are both complete shit
Bill INSISTED during multiple podcasts that Kevin Young was a lock for the Suns job. Oops.
https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/bill-simmons-suns-hiring-kevin-young-frank-vogel-01h1ypk8h6rs
https://sports.yahoo.com/bill-simmons-roasted-phoenix-suns-215347204.html
https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/bill-simmons-suns-hiring-kevin-young-frank-vogel-01h1ypk8h6rs
https://sports.yahoo.com/bill-simmons-roasted-phoenix-suns-215347204.html