I've always thought more highly of George, but I'm not as well versed in advanced basketball stats as I am in other sports. What's the basic analytical argument for Butler > George translated in English?
Probably fine for this year but pretty much rules out a max contract (thankfully). If Smart could get to like 35% behind the arc he would be an amazing point guard for that lineup. Or when he's not creating for others just stick him in the corner where he's actually really good.
Something like RPM and other advanced metrics (http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM) would suggest, and I think scouts tend to agree, that Butler is a much better defensive player than George. Basically, that Butler is one of the best defensive players in the NBA, and that George (especially after the injury) is more limited defensively.
I thought George was returning to his old self as the season went on this year. He was amazing in the playoffs against LeBron.
Just to make the point again, George has been a different player since the leg injury. Pre leg injury he was on a path to top ten NBA player. Now he's a level just below All-NBA. Still great, still worth a max, but not in the elite of the NBA.
I agree, I don't usually care about intangibles, but George plays his ass off in the playoffs. He almost won a game in that series by himself, it would be exciting to see what he could do with good players around him. If George would agree to an extension, he's worth cashing in some of these assets for (not the 2018 Brooklyn pick, but pretty much any other pick), especially if you get Hayward as well. He just turned 27, he's going to be an excellent player in the league for five or six more seasons. I certainly tend to be more of a "build for the future" fan, but if you can get George and Hayward in the same off season, you have to pull the trigger on that.
This sounds about right to me. Jaylen is blocked and is valuable to the Pacers in a rebuild so I'd imagine he has to be included. Crowder would then be back in his ideal role on the 2nd unit backing up the 3 and playing the 4 in a smallball lineup. The pick could either be Tatum or the one acquired from moving down from 1 (the LAL/SAC pick).....I'd prefer to keep the pick and move Tatum as it has home run potential but I wouldn't let that kill this deal.
This seems like a huge huge huge overpay for a team in IND that has little leverage. That deal is a much better deal than CHI just got for Butler.
Why didn't you include Amir Johnson's cap hold? It's $15.6 million. If you renounce him, Zeller, and Olynyk that's $33.1 million right there.
The extension for George. He would only be eligible for a 5% increase from his current contract in an extension leaving $10m per year on the table.
Sorry, I had already removed him, so his salary being gone is already factored in.
His article on it is out: http://www.celticshub.com/2017/06/23/paul-george-gordon-hayward-next-steps/
Yeah, this is the part I'm not getting. Did all that change with trading Fultz?
It's a little laughable, but Ainge did signal pretty strongly with the Philly trade, no?
To me, the answer is an easy yes. I want George, assuming an extension is part of it, with or without Hayward.
I guess the argument is that you could potentially get a similar player in Hayward if he signs, but of course there is no guarantee that happens.
Not really, the league is overflowing with point guards and if you have two shot-creating wings + Horford you really just need someone who can credibly pass the ball, defend well, and hit some open shots. If Smart can stretch his free throw acumen out to the 3pt line he's pretty much the ideal candidate. If not, veteran MLE-types who can are available all the time.
Not sure I agree with the blanket statement that he's a ball stopper. He was the only creator they had last year, but his kick out passes showed advanced vision in my opinion. It just doesn't make a ton of sense to hit an open Marcus Smart when the coaching staff probably preferred a contested shot from IT.
Not really, plenty of guys who could run point next to ball dominant wings. Some of them already on the roster.
Is there some non-Memphis (or LAC, or LAL, or SAC, or BRK) player you could target instead? Let the holders of future draft picks lie. Memphis being in cap trouble now might bode well for us later. Not to mention giving them assets which they might use to improve. Let it be.
He also re-tweeted Adam's tweet. As the song goes waiting is the hardest part. But, cap wise it does make the most sense that Hayward gets done first so you don't have to absorb George into the cap space.
