When you have multiple reports from different respected reporters talking about how the rest of the league is "shocked" that Indiana took this offer or that they were texted by scouts who just said "LOL" or the crying laughing emoticon, I am not sure you can make sweeping conclusions about the league wide value of Crowder and Bradley.
That is not a shit offer. Gary Harris is going to be really good. He's going to be a ton better than Oladipo and Bradley. Can't believe they wanted Oladipo over him.
Something really really weird was going on with Pritchard/the Indiana organization, and we might never find out the full story, although some things will probably come out at some point. My guess is that there's a quite large amount of pettiness and butthurt.
Yeah, chances to acquire Victor Oladipo at $21M/year don't come along every day. Got to move fast when they do!
I don't judge talents and contracts by reporters emojis. To me Oladipo carries much greater trade value than Bradley in large part due to his contract while talent wise they are very similar plus Oladipo is two years younger. Sabonis over Crowder on value isn't really close as he's 21 coming off a decent rookie year on a cheap rookie deal for a lottery pick while Crowder is 27 and at his apex. For it to be equal value we'd have to add a high lottery pick even if it's Top-5 protected.
Agree to disagree and I love Gary Harris. He's one of the better, underrated 3 and D players in the league but that's ultimately what he is. He improved his passing a bit last year as the year went along but he's essentially a younger, taller AB. He's also going to get paid next year. He's still only 22 years old and is a good athlete so maybe he can take another step forward but there's a reason he's the one being offered and not Jamal Murray.
Not really sure at all. In fact, I've heard as many rumors of Zeller being included as salary swappage as anything else. I was just questioning whether Avery is a better player in the abstract and whether his last contract year has much value to a soon to be craptastic team.
Just to avoid us both cherry picking around the ability of availability here is the complete number set from bball ref:
Oladipo's contract's in place. Bradley's isn't. Do you think Indiana should have had any confidence that Bradley would re-sign there? It's far more certain that Bradley would have been a rental in Indiana than it is George would have been one in Boston.
It isn't even only more valuable it is enormously more valuable as you have 4 years control versus 1 year plus the uncertainty that goes along with it. Bradley isn't a max player however many non-max players have received silly offers in FA and it would cost Indy the max or very close to it to keep him from FA next summer in search of that offer.
They would if they were dealing for him, yes. Indiana will be well under the cap. If they wanted to extend him, and Bradley wanted to stay, they would have been able to renegotiate and extend him right away. Boston couldn't do that with George.
Maybe Sabonis is the cost of dumping Monta Ellis on Brooklyn or Philly? Outside that I got nuthin'
It's a great trade for this year, yes. But I guess I'm less optimistic on re-signing either RW and PG. I think the franchise, w/ W/L is done after this year, but for the owner maybe it's good for costs containment reasons.
But why would he want to stay? I know they could afford him and would have his Bird rights. But there's no guarantee he'd stay; they're starting a rebuild. What's in it for Bradley, unless they overpay?
If George's camp made it clear that they're would be no extension - "Lakers or free agency" - Pritchard may have felt this was his best package. Many folks might disagree, but the Pacers might be happy to roll ahead with a young core of Oladipo, Sabonis, & Turner plus whatever other deals, picks, and free agents they might nab. We have no idea what actual options Pritchard had to choose from or how he values the various players offered.
But that's kinda the point, if RW or PG don't resign, they're better off not taking up 20% of their cap to pay Oladipo to live in mid lottery land and Sabonis is not a franchise player. Take your shot and if you can convince both to resign awesome, if not, bottom out. There is no downside for OKC here.
Zeller's name was bandied about on CSNE's broadcast last night, but as Goodman's tweet specified two "starters," he doesn't seem to qualify.
Bradley would be easily flipped for a 1st rd pick. That's a valuable asset to a rebuilding team if they chose to go that route.
If Avery Bradley is a valuable trade asset because he can net a late first round draft pick, he's not a valuable trade asset.
To me this looks like an ownership trade rather than a GM trade.
You get multiple 1sts and have the ability to trade up like Portland did this year.
Unless he breaks his leg. Or has a down season. Or the market for guards shifts between now and then and the only playoff team with a need is picking 28th.
Also, the odds of Oladipo being around when the Pacers build their next contender is pretty close to 0.
Yet he's a pretty poor shooter and hasn't shown much defensively in the league.
Overall? I mean, he's a good 3rd-4th starter, rotational player. I wouldn't put him in a class above Oladipo, though.
I HATE the trade for Indy, but it's worth noting that if Oladipo makes a leap, he's worth something decent on the trade market.
It isn't Pritchard's fault that George announced he was leaving this summer followed by reports quoting his people saying he wants to be in LA next summer. Who is giving up a 1st for that? Ainge isn't.....OKC didn't. You can't hammer Pritchard when the market for a lame duck rental is dry. Waiting isn't going to create a bidding war.....it is going to give Pritchard less leverage than he already had. Get the deal done and move on to your offseason with a plan rather than still holding onto George and his diminishing value.
Wouldn't a competent GM call around to interested teams to solicit their best offer though? Was there really a time constraint to deal PG before FA started?
We agree then on everything except the "goodness"/"lack of downside" of "bottoming out." Considering that market and a 90% salary floor.
Perhaps you don't, but do you think the Pacer's GM wishes Oladipo was on a one year deal? He was the only real piece in the PG deal so I'm pretty sure they like the player.
If he's worried about the long term viability of the franchise, he should be maximizing the picks. Getting picks in a PG trade was kind of a priority, even picks in the 20s. Getting a flippable asset could also have resulted in picks.
I would have wanted picks too, but picking in the twenties isn't a path out of mediocrity. You are right that they (currently?) don't plan to 'Hinkie' into the cellar which informs the decisions.
Because he could get paid a year early, not have to worry about getting injured this season, and get a raise on his eight million this year?
No, getting picks wasn't the priority this is where you are wrong. On his way out the door, Larry Bird emphasized that his greatest challenge in Indiana was his inability to be allowed to "bottom out" and rebuild. This ownership wants to remain competitive and retain the revenues that come with being a competitive team and not a tanking team or bottom feeder. Receiving a quality starter and a young viable frontcourt rotation guy on controlled contracts help achieve this.
The salary floor is relatively meaningless. There's no penalty, you just redistribute whatever you're short to the rest of the players on your team. It also doesn't need to be met until the last day of the season, so you can use the room you have to facilitate trades among other teams at the deadline and acquire assets that way.
