Pats Sign WR Nelson Agholor

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Are other teams doing this?
Yes, and the players are willing to do it (in theory) because the non-guaranteed/increased base in year 2 comes at a time that the cap will go up and teams will be spending more - so that isn't just a dummy year if the player could easily replace it in the market. Caveat: I haven't seen Algolor's deal yet, so I don't know if that report is accurate.

However, what it does is make the player earn his year 2 money with his year 1 play, so its still team friendly from that perspective. After year 1, if it makes sense, the team and player can rework/extend the contract, guarantee the year 2 salary, and extend the contract to fix the cap hit.
 

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Yes, and the players are willing to do it (in theory) because the non-guaranteed/increased base in year 2 comes at a time that the cap will go up and teams will be spending more - so that isn't just a dummy year if the player could easily replace it in the market. Caveat: I haven't seen Algolor's deal yet, so I don't know if that report is accurate.

However, what it does is make the player earn his year 2 money with his year 1 play, so its still team friendly from that perspective. After year 1, if it makes sense, the team and player can rework/extend the contract, guarantee the year 2 salary, and extend the contract to fix the cap hit.
The other reason the players would do it is they will be getting a nice large signing bonus check, meaning if they were cut after 1 year they would have gotten a huge 1-year payday, & also that the team would be loath to cut them because cutting them would cost more than keeping them (in the 3+ year contracts), or the team will have given them very big $ in 1 year on a down cap year (in the 2 year contracts).
 

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https://nesn.com/2021/03/patriots-newcomers-contract-among-pffs-overrated-offseason-deals/

The numbers in this article seem to go against a lot of what was said in this thread. I’m not sure if the writer has terrible sources or what? 15% drop rate seems ridiculous as well as him ranking 73rd out of 74 receivers for the previous 5 years. Pretty sure it’s trash but wanted to share so that the little voice in the deep corner of my brain asking “what if that’s correct?” can be put to rest.
 

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https://nesn.com/2021/03/patriots-newcomers-contract-among-pffs-overrated-offseason-deals/

The numbers in this article seem to go against a lot of what was said in this thread. I’m not sure if the writer has terrible sources or what? 15% drop rate seems ridiculous as well as him ranking 73rd out of 74 receivers for the previous 5 years. Pretty sure it’s trash but wanted to share so that the little voice in the deep corner of my brain asking “what if that’s correct?” can be put to rest.
PFF uses a drop rate that's wildly different from anyone else. If I remember right it's that they decide what is catchable different from everyone else, and anything catchable that you don't catch is a drop. I don't have the full list, but looking back at their highlight lists, they have a lot of really good deep threats (like Randy Moss and Amari Cooper) high on the past lists.

On the other hand PFF may have had a high drop rate for him, but also had him with a terrific overall grade last year.
 

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PFF uses a drop rate that's wildly different from anyone else. If I remember right it's that they decide what is catchable different from everyone else, and anything catchable that you don't catch is a drop. I don't have the full list, but looking back at their highlight lists, they have a lot of really good deep threats (like Randy Moss and Amari Cooper) high on the past lists.

On the other hand PFF may have had a high drop rate for him, but also had him with a terrific overall grade last year.
I remain blown away that weve allowed PFF to infiltrate our sanctum. They're full of shit.

Wheres @Smiling Joe Hesketh when you need him?
 

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Very happy to hear that people have come around on PFF. I was beating that drum years ago. Appreciate the backup on thinking that piece and it’s sources are nothing to be concerned about. I can put that voice to bed.
 

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I remain blown away that weve allowed PFF to infiltrate our sanctum. They're full of shit.

Wheres @Smiling Joe Hesketh when you need him?
PFF is OK for actual counting stats, although if they're using a weird drop rate then I dunno what kind of feces-throwing rhesus chimps they have doing the counting.

Their actual grades and analytics are garbage.

I won't ban mention of them, only a few things are banned outright on this site. Just keep in mind their ratings are highly suspect.
 

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Agholor voice track on Good Morning Football just now saying he's looking forward to catching passes from the "QB1". "He's a great quarterback and MVP he will push me and everything else great." Is that a thing, "the QB1"?

Great attitudes abound from all the new guys. Let's go!
 

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Agholor voice track on Good Morning Football just now saying he's looking forward to catching passes from the "QB1". "He's a great quarterback and MVP he will push me and everything else great." Is that a thing, "the QB1"?

Great attitudes abound from all the new guys. Let's go!
I took QB1 to mean Newton... Being that his number is 1 and all? That and MVP, etc... So like there is TB12, there is QB1
 

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PFF ratings for offensive line are solid. I find they are usually ok for offensive run blocking in general. Where I see issues with PFF is their defensive grades. Their defensive grades when they don’t know responsibilities are not well thought out. They also tend to grade guys who are 2 gapping or doing the dirty work lower then guys who end up with the tackle or result. They don’t adjust for level of competition or if what was asked of a guy was hard or not. If an OL doesn’t reach a hard to make cutoff block that’s the same grade as an OL who loses 1:1 on a drive block. GTFOH.
 

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QB1 simply means the starting quarterback. The term is not new and not unique to Cam.
Especially common in HS football (see Friday Night Lights)
 

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Would a wide receiver, though, say "I am looking forward to catching passes from a starting Quarterback".... rather than the specific QB who wears #1 and was MVP (as he also mentioned in the quote)?
 

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Would a wide receiver, though, say "I am looking forward to catching passes from a starting Quarterback".... rather than the specific QB who wears #1 and was MVP (as he also mentioned in the quote)?
I literally just showed you that the Bears used it to refer to Andy Dalton, who does not wear number 1. It's a term used in football. You can continue to wonder why or accept that you've learned something today.

OF COURSE he was referring to Cam. We all know that, but if Cam was wearing #2, he could still be called QB1.
 

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I literally just showed you that the Bears used it to refer to Andy Dalton, who does not wear number 1. It's a term used in football. You can continue to wonder why or accept that you've learned something today.

OF COURSE he was referring to Cam. We all know that, but if Cam was wearing #2, he could still be called QB1.
My mind is made up. Don't confuse me with the facts.