Pats sign Jamie Collins

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Can he play OL?

I kid. He should be useful in this system. He started like gangbusters two years ago before falling off.
 

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I was recently just navigating through some threads that have not been posted in much for the last couple years. Thought I was in another one here.

Let's hope he can still play.
 

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I like the pickup, he's been productive in this system. I just don't think he can run anymore and he better not be put in a position where he does a lot more than blitz up the middle and pass rush on stunts and off the edge.
 

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With High slow and Bentley banged up I understand the signing. Hope he still has some juice left in the tank. The Detroit people I follow says he is slow so he should fit in well with the rest of the group. Wish they had an ILB who could cover worth a damn. That’s a hard task for any LB.
 

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This is a no brainer for both sides. Pats desperately need more speed and depth at LB, and, while he definitely isn’t the athlete he used to be, Collins fits that bill.
 

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When you have the opportunity to bring in a 32-year-old linebacker who could only crack the gameday lineup for the worst team in the NFL twice this season you just can't pass up that up.
 

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Well, a much younger and better Jaylon Smith got released later in the day yesterday, so he'd obviously be at the top of the list. The Gilmore thread says they have $5 mil and change in cap space now so would that be enough to bring him in? Maybe, but probably not.

Beyond that, the free-agent pickings are obviously quite slim, so my sarcasm was mainly aimed at how uninspiring a move it is to bring in a guy who's most likely cooked. In an ideal world, targeting a buy-low guy like Van Noy in 2016 would have been what I would have liked to see.
 

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Collins knows the system and that has value. BB has historically been very good at identifying roles for guys that fit what they can do, often better than the prior team did. Maybe those net out to some value this year and maybe not, but given zero cost to it what's to complain about here?
 

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When you have the opportunity to bring in a 32-year-old linebacker who could only crack the gameday lineup for the worst team in the NFL twice this season you just can't pass up that up.
Collins not playing for DET had little to do with performance and a lot to do with making sure he didn't get hurt before he could be traded or released as they moved on to younger players in their rebuild. He wasn't what they hoped for, but he was better than what they have.
 

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Tune in to the next week's game thread to find out!

Also, didn't this guy get scorched on his way out of town for being a serial free-lancer? Hopefully knowing the system actually has some utility this go-round.
That was the first go-round. He played pretty well in 2019 on his second tour, at least for the first half of the year along with the rest of the D

Edit: they probably should have never made trades for guys like KVN who also couldn't play for the Lions! Your posts in this thread are off-base.
 

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I guess I see the alternative as someone even worse - whether that's the corpse of Hightower or the other non-bentley slop who has been playing LB. maybe others have seen more from that group thsu far than I have
 

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Collins may be fine in the role he will be asked to take on here. Or he may be cooked. But he basically will come for free and knows the system, so definitely worth the flyer. And if he gets burned trying to cover a receiver, that's not the role he is being brought in for, so it would indicate a mixup in the play.
 

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I guess I see the alternative as someone even worse - whether that's the corpse of Hightower or the other non-bentley slop who has been playing LB. maybe others have seen more from that group thsu far than I have
Judon's been good, and Bentley has been better this year than some posters claim. Uche has been a bit invisible lately, which is a disappointment. Winovich has not followed through on his preseason progress, and the rest have been absolute drek.
 

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Judon's been good, and Bentley has been better this year than some posters claim. Uche has been a bit invisible lately, which is a disappointment. Winovich has not followed through on his preseason progress, and the rest have been absolute drek.
Right---i was imagining Collins is separate from Judon/Uche who are primarily edge rushers. So to me, he's upgrading the 'rest' which I agree has been awful thus far when Bentley is out. It might not play out that way but is why I see little downside here.
 

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Edit: they probably should have never made trades for guys like KVN who also couldn't play for the Lions! Your posts in this thread are off-base.
Well, it was a trade versus a release and there's a six-year age difference in age when the players were acquired and Van Noy was playing 62% of the snaps in Detroit versus a guy who wasn't playing in 50% of the games and Detroit went 9-7 in 2016 versus the 2021 version which might win a game, but besides that...
 

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Well, it was a trade versus a release and there's a six-year age difference in age when the players were acquired and Van Noy was playing 62% of the snaps in Detroit versus a guy who wasn't playing in 50% of the games and Detroit went 9-7 in 2016 versus the 2021 version which might win a game, but besides that...
Collins played and started both games before the team decided to seek a trade and sat him down to avoid injury.

Also, every bad team has good players.

Edit- looked it up, he had the highest snap percentage among their linebackers through 2 weeks before they agreed he would be traded or released and told him to stop reporting.
 

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Well, it was a trade versus a release and there's a six-year age difference in age when the players were acquired and Van Noy was playing 62% of the snaps in Detroit versus a guy who wasn't playing in 50% of the games and Detroit went 9-7 in 2016 versus the 2021 version which might win a game, but besides that...
We have like 100 examples over the last 20 years of guys who didn't play or contribute for other teams come to the Pats and have a pretty big impact. Just because Collins wasn't playing doesn't mean he can't play.

Edit: is this a better example? Akeem Ayers was inactive for 4 of the first 6 games for the 2-14 2014 Titans. Why would the Pats ever trade for him?!!?!?211111
 

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Well, it was a trade versus a release and there's a six-year age difference in age when the players were acquired and Van Noy was playing 62% of the snaps in Detroit versus a guy who wasn't playing in 50% of the games and Detroit went 9-7 in 2016 versus the 2021 version which might win a game, but besides that...
Nobody thinks this is some kind of gamechanging acquisition, but who should they have acquired instead? ‘A guy like a KVN in 2016’ isn’t a real response. Plus, that kind of situation doesn’t regularly present itself; heck, the KVN acquisition was lauded in part because teams generally don’t stumble on young, good, cost controlled players mid season that their current team is willing to trade.
 

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Collins played and started both games before the team decided to seek a trade and sat him down to avoid injury.

Also, every bad team has good players.

Edit- looked it up, he had the highest snap percentage among their linebackers through 2 weeks before they agreed he would be traded or released and told him to stop reporting.
Fair enough.

‘A guy like a KVN in 2016’ isn’t a real response
Well, you're cherry-picking part of my answer and leaving out the real world actually available guy I suggested. I'm open to hearing why he couldn't or shouldn't have been brought in.

Edit: is this a better example? Akeem Ayers was inactive for 4 of the first 6 games for the 2-14 2014 Titans. Why would the Pats ever trade for him?!!?!?211111
Akeem Ayers is 32 years old TODAY. Same age as Collins TODAY and he hasn't taken a snap since 2017 and was 25 when acquired. So no, that example sucks too and so does the played-out 12122??!!1 thing that's always sucked.
 

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We have like 100 examples over the last 20 years of guys who didn't play or contribute for other teams come to the Pats and have a pretty big impact. Just because Collins wasn't playing doesn't mean he can't play.

Edit: is this a better example? Akeem Ayers was inactive for 4 of the first 6 games for the 2-14 2014 Titans. Why would the Pats ever trade for him?!!?!?211111
better example: Tom Brady split snaps with Drew Henson. Why did BB draft him???
 

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Collins has had an interesting career. He has made all of his good plays with the Patriots, and has made all of his money from the Browns and Lions.
 

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Collins has had an interesting career. He has made all of his good plays with the Patriots, and has made all of his money from the Browns and Lions.
Reminds me of a cousin who has 3 children with the same woman. Two before they were married and one after they were divorced.