Pats Re-sign Cam Newton to a 1-Year Deal

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Yeah for all the conversation about Cam dealing with Covid last year...none of THIS is Covid-related. This is all about deteriorating mechanics. Interestingly, for all the issues he had throwing to his right, he actually is really GOOD throwing to his right, so I don't get why it's an issue for him.

No idea why the deep right side isn't green. Mid right is 11 more than the average and it is green. Deep right is 17 more than average and it's yellow. Weird. The same for mid deep center.

It's like that graphic is designed to make Cam look worse than he was.
 

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Is it possible (asking with seriousness, no snark intended) that the samples are so small in those areas that they are still within a one deviation range?
 

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Twelve is a lot dude. Run out, come back... Twelve times for only one drill. How many you think they should do?!
The internet suggests to me that NFL offenses run ~70-80 plays per game. I know that they are doing other stuff during the day, but 12 doesn't seem like that big a number, for something that is potentially so important.
Of course, it's early days, there are other drills, etc. I get that. But I'm not sure that, in and of itself, 12 is "a lot".

I would guess that they run 12 because it's more productive to run a handful and then analyze and work on things that came out of the drill, rather than just running it over and over and over.
(i.e. that it's not an issue of how much running is involved, rather that it's better to run then think)
 

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The internet suggests to me that NFL offenses run ~70-80 plays per game. I know that they are doing other stuff during the day, but 12 doesn't seem like that big a number, for something that is potentially so important.
Of course, it's early days, there are other drills, etc. I get that. But I'm not sure that, in and of itself, 12 is "a lot".

I would guess that they run 12 because it's more productive to run a handful and then analyze and work on things that came out of the drill, rather than just running it over and over and over.
(i.e. that it's not an issue of how much running is involved, rather that it's better to run then think)
That's just one drill though? Should they do 30,40,50 reps of every drill.
 

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The internet suggests to me that NFL offenses run ~70-80 plays per game. I know that they are doing other stuff during the day, but 12 doesn't seem like that big a number, for something that is potentially so important.
Of course, it's early days, there are other drills, etc. I get that. But I'm not sure that, in and of itself, 12 is "a lot".

I would guess that they run 12 because it's more productive to run a handful and then analyze and work on things that came out of the drill, rather than just running it over and over and over.
(i.e. that it's not an issue of how much running is involved, rather that it's better to run then think)
Keep in mind that these are OTA's; they're far less intense than the June minicamp, never mind the full training camp. And the amount of practice time in these OTA's is expressly limited by the CBA.
 

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That's just one drill though? Should they do 30,40,50 reps of every drill.
No, because they have other stuff to do, and it’s early days (OTA’s), etc. Not because twelve is so many.
If the coaches think 12 is reasonable, I don’t question that. If they did 20 would you say ‘man, 12 is already a lot, 20 is too many!’
Also, it’s 12 total reps, spread between 4 QB’s. Im inferring from the receivers named that they’re using some of the same O and D personnel for each rep but not always.
I’m not claiming 12 isn’t enough, just that the answer doesn’t seem to be that 12 is ‘a lot’.
 

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Just listened to Lombardi’s pod. Not a surprise but Cam currently has the locker room and Mac probably doesn’t have enough time with only one camp and 3 pre-season games to win it. However if Cam is struggling passing the ball and Bill thinks Mac gives them a better chance to win he will make the move. That seems like the right plan to me and the most realistic Belichick approach to the position.
 

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Just listened to Lombardi’s pod. Not a surprise but Cam currently has the locker room and Mac probably doesn’t have enough time with only one camp and 3 pre-season games to win it. However if Cam is struggling passing the ball and Bill thinks Mac gives them a better chance to win he will make the move. That seems like the right plan to me and the most realistic Belichick approach to the position.
Yup. Barring injury, Cam is clearly going to get first crack at it. But I don’t think he’ll have nearly as much leeway for mistakes this year with Mac around.
 

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Not having played football myself, I don’t know quite how an NFL locker room works (lol serious understatement).

So forgive me if this next question sounds ignorant, but what would happen if the Pats were winning but at the same time having to overcome poor QB play each weekend? Would Cam keep the job? For how long?
 

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Not having played football myself, I don’t know quite how an NFL locker room works (lol serious understatement).

So forgive me if this next question sounds ignorant, but what would happen if the Pats were winning but at the same time having to overcome poor QB play each weekend? Would Cam keep the job? For how long?
I am pretty sure Bill will do what he feels is best for the football team. I can see him sticking with the veteran if he judges them to be equal. And I can see him sitting Jones for seasoning/experience purposes. But if Jones shows himself to be the better QB in Bill’s view, he would make the change. And I am pretty sure the team would be ok with that decision.
 

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Not having played football myself, I don’t know quite how an NFL locker room works (lol serious understatement).

So forgive me if this next question sounds ignorant, but what would happen if the Pats were winning but at the same time having to overcome poor QB play each weekend? Would Cam keep the job? For how long?
I could see that if Cam is "playing poorly" in that he's not dynamic and is frustrating, but he's managing the game and not making mistakes that cost them games, and maybe the running game is getting them just enough points, he'd stick with Cam. The upside potential of bringing in the new guy is probably overweighed by the downside potential of the new guy screwing things up (interceptions, etc.)
If Cam is playing "terribly" in that he's throwing interceptions or fumbling the ball, or constant three-and-out, and very few points (like, somehow the D is coming up with pick-6's or special teams giving them good field position so they can eke out a few FG's), then BB might make the switch, because the upside would be there and the downside would be basically equal to the status quo.

It probably just comes down to how poor is "poor". The transition from barely contributing to actively hurting, wherever that line lies, would be the transition I think.
 
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FWIW, listening to Lazar and Barth today - two guys who were actually at the practice - they seemed to think the “hand hit helmet” rumblings were extremely unlikely. Both said they saw nobody in a helmet anywhere near Cam when he hurt his hand.
 
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This is what Lazar said: "During a drill where coaches threw soft pads at QBs to simulate a pass rush, one of the faux pass-rushers struck Newton’s throwing hand on his follow-through, and the former MVP sat out the rest of Friday’s session."
 

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This is what Lazar said: "During a drill where coaches threw soft pads at QBs to simulate a pass rush, one of the faux pass-rushers struck Newton’s throwing hand on his follow-through, and the former MVP sat out the rest of Friday’s session."
It's possible he hit it more than once and that "soft pad" exacerbated it.