Pats Re-sign Cam Newton to a 1-Year Deal

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People who scream "the cap is crap!" are essentially throwing a tantrum because the Pats don't sign their latest shiny object of desire.
"The cap is crap! (when you have an elite rookie scale QB and several recent top 10 draft picks who allow you to splurge on shiny things until it's time to pay said QB)."
 

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He's bright in other areas but not so much when it comes to football, I'll admit. Great when it comes to watching the game live, but unemotional analysis is something he doesn't do.
 

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Per Mike Garofolo, here is the breakdown of Cam's contract. $3.5 million in guaranteed money.

$2 million signing bonus
$1.5 million base salary(guaranteed)
$1.5 million per game roster bonuses.

$9 million in incentives for playoffs, Pro Bowl, All-Pro, MVP, and Super Bowl MVP.
Yeah, that's freakin DIRT cheap. Very low risk for the Pats.
 

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So if he sucks in camp/they acquire someone else/Rookie somehow impresses BB enough to beat him out/whatever.
They are looking at like minimum of 3.5million and they can send him packing. (Sounds reasonable)

If he plays every game as shitty as last year its or is the "Clipboard and Learn from me kid guy" he makes 5 Million. (Sounds Reasonable)

If we make the playoffs and lose we are somewhere between 5-<14Million. (Sounds reasonable)

If he makes and wins the SB (MVP anyway) he makes 14 Million (Sounds very Reasonable).
 

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That's a great contract. Sets them up well to draft a young QB as well.
 

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The contract gets better and better with every tweet. Pretty soon Cam will be paying Bill for the right to suit up.

His shoulder seems toast so hard to be too excited about the possibility of him starting at any cost. But you never know, he looked OK early in the season last year and Stidham doesn’t seem like the answer. Good to have a vet in place heading into the draft and FA I suppose.

Can’t be too upset about the deal given the money, doesn’t stop them from upgrading as feasible.
 

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I gotta be honest. When I saw the Dolphins logo near the thread title I was confused, yet happy.
 

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For that little money it makes perfect sense. If Jimmy G or whoever becomes available at a price that makes sense then they can just dump Cam and eat the 3.5m, and if no one becomes available then they're paying Cam good backup money to hopefully be an average or slightly above average starter while having a ton of money to improve the rest of the roster.
 

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Color me surprised. But in the cold light of day - vet alternatives, leadership, work ethic, money/years - it makes some sense. Boring to say and hear but in Bill I trust. He sees something and is building towards some goal, so I’ll roll with it. Doesn’t mean I won’t be hollering when Cam turfs another throw or gets sacked again by failing to feel any pressure. I do like that the contract is one year, so there’s max flexibility.
 

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Yes, it's a cheap, low risk contract. It was cheap and low risk last year, too. When we were up against the cap, it made sense. Now? Not as much.

Honestly, do we really think another offseason turns him from a stiff into a competent QB? If the Patriots didnt want to dole out long term deals, I get it. But they could have spent roughly the same for a guy with more variance. Lower floor? Sure. But also a higher ceiling.

"0o0o0o! This contract is low risk!! They're so smarrrtt!" Neat. These contracts are a dime a dozen. Andy Dalton signed for $3m guaranteed last season. Tyrod Taylor signed for 2 seasons, $6.5m a season. Fitzpatrick, 2 seasons for $5.5m a season. Jameis Winston, 1 year for $1m.

If you dont want to sell the farm for a QB, fine. Last season, the risk/reward that Cam could gain his MVP form was worth it. Now we know what he is. I'd take any of the guys listed above (and other, cheaper reclamation projects like Bortles, Trubisky, Smith, Glennon, Brissett) for short money over Newton. Might they be worse? Maybe. But Cams ceiling isnt going to be much higher than last season. I'd rather take a risk on giving someone else the reigns.
 

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The appropriate reaction here is a nice solid "meh".

The contract is cheap, so the only reason to waste any energy being upset about this is if you think the Pats aren't going to do anything else to address the QB position (unlikely).

On the other hand, the only explanation for people being excited about it is that they ate a lot of lead paint chips when they were little.
 

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The appropriate reaction here is a nice solid "meh".

The contract is cheap, so the only reason to waste any energy being upset about this is if you think the Pats aren't going to do anything else to address the QB position (unlikely).

On the other hand, the only explanation for people being excited about it is that they ate a lot of lead paint chips when they were little.
Quite frankly, I could absolutely see them not investing in another QB.
  • Bill drafts based on best available, not need. Do we really see him drafting a "meh" QB prospect with the best pick hes had in the last decade?
  • Sources have said the Patriots were actively shopping for a QB, but found the market way too expensive. The Cam signing wasnt done in case they werent able to sign a better QB. It was done because they explored the market and knew they werent going to acquire a better player.
  • Bill made it clear several years ago - at this stage of his career, he'd rather coach players he likes than more talented players that are difficult. This signing sure falls in line with that ideology.
  • The majority of free agent QBs that are going to sign "prove it" deals and could potentially improve the offense - Dalton, Trubisky, Brissett, etc - would need to have NO market value to come here. They dont want to compete with an entrenched roster player for a job. And if they lose out on the competition, it could be a death knell for their career. Not being able to beat out a broken Newton AND getting cut at the end of camp when they cant prove their value as a starter to another team? They need to get snaps to prove their worth.
I'd love to be wrong. But I have a very strong suspicion that Newton will be the starting QB for the New Enlgand Patriots come week 1 of the upcoming season.
 
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I hate to give anyone reason to lose sleep, but I'm also not convinced that they're going to acquire another QB in 2021.

FAs are meh, QBs under contract are too expensive, and #15 is too low (and trading may be impossible or too costly).
 

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The appropriate reaction here is a nice solid "meh".

The contract is cheap, so the only reason to waste any energy being upset about this is if you think the Pats aren't going to do anything else to address the QB position (unlikely).

On the other hand, the only explanation for people being excited about it is that they ate a lot of lead paint chips when they were little.
The only explanation for a phenomenon that doesn’t exist, I see.
 

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Quite frankly, I could absolutely see them not investing in another QB.
  • Bill drafts based on best available, not need. Do we really see him drafting a "meh" QB prospect with the best pick hes had in the last decade?
  • Sources have said the Patriots were actively shopping for a QB, but found the market way too expensive. The Cam signing wasnt done in case they werent able to sign a better QB. It was done because they explored the market and knew they werent going to acquire a better player.
  • Bill made it clear several years ago - at this stage of his career, he'd rather coach players he likes than more talented players that are difficult. This signing sure falls in line with that ideology.
  • The majority of free agent QBs that are going to sign "prove it" deals and could potentially improve the offense - Dalton, Trubisky, Brissett, etc - would need to have NO market value to come here. They dont want to compete with an entrenched roster player for a job. And if they lose out on the competition, it could be a death knell for their career. Not being able to beat out a broken Newton AND getting cut at the end of camp when they cant prove their value as a starter to another team? They need to get snaps to prove their worth.
I'd love to be wrong. But I have a very strong suspicion that Newton will be the starting QB for the New Enlgand Patriots come week 1 of the upcoming season.
Newton will likely be the starter for not only Week 1 but most of the season, IMO. The hope on my end is that the guy behind him is someone we can actually dream on and not someone like Stidham who you have to squint to see an NFL starter.
 

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If Bill found out JG was not going to be available, and he wasn't going to pay the price for Watson, this really is the best option for the team. Yes, I didn't enjoy watching him play for much of last year, missing throws that all others make in their sleep. But people are wanting other bad QBs just because they are "new and shiny" is silly. Cam has the best seasons of any of the Brissett, Trubisky, Mariota group, and while he is "old," he's still only 31, and he is young enough to recover from a shoulder injury with another year removed from it. I'd rather take a chance on Cam reclaiming even a bit of his previous self than bank on a 28 year old for reaching what little unfounded potential they have

Plus, as others have said, Cam is a hell of a teammate and a good solider. I believe the plan is to draft a QB early and let them learn from Cam. He'll be a great role model, we know he'll embrace it 110%. Cam also seems like the least likely to mope if a change is made midseason, you know damn well he'll genuinely root for the new guy. While I'm not looking forward to it unless he does improve, he is easily the best bridge guy of the group and that's all any of them are
 

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If Bill found out JG was not going to be available, and he wasn't going to pay the price for Watson, this really is the best option for the team. Yes, I didn't enjoy watching him play for much of last year, missing throws that all others make in their sleep. But people are wanting other bad QBs just because they are "new and shiny" is silly. Cam has the best seasons of any of the Brissett, Trubisky, Mariota group, and while he is "old," he's still only 31, and he is young enough to recover from a shoulder injury with another year removed from it. I'd rather take a chance on Cam reclaiming even a bit of his previous self than bank on a 28 year old for reaching what little unfounded potential they have

Plus, as others have said, Cam is a hell of a teammate and a good solider. I believe the plan is to draft a QB early and let them learn from Cam. He'll be a great role model, we know he'll embrace it 110%. Cam also seems like the least likely to mope if a change is made midseason, you know damn well he'll genuinely root for the new guy. While I'm not looking forward to it unless he does improve, he is easily the best bridge guy of the group and that's all any of them are
Other than Newtons MVP season, Dalton has been a better QB for nearly a decade. And I'd be surprised if the contract he gets this season ends up being one we scoff at. Options do/did exist that represent middle ground between shit players (Newton) and super expensive options.
 

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If Bill found out JG was not going to be available, and he wasn't going to pay the price for Watson, this really is the best option for the team. Yes, I didn't enjoy watching him play for much of last year, missing throws that all others make in their sleep. But people are wanting other bad QBs just because they are "new and shiny" is silly. Cam has the best seasons of any of the Brissett, Trubisky, Mariota group, and while he is "old," he's still only 31, and he is young enough to recover from a shoulder injury with another year removed from it. I'd rather take a chance on Cam reclaiming even a bit of his previous self than bank on a 28 year old for reaching what little unfounded potential they have

Plus, as others have said, Cam is a hell of a teammate and a good solider. I believe the plan is to draft a QB early and let them learn from Cam. He'll be a great role model, we know he'll embrace it 110%. Cam also seems like the least likely to mope if a change is made midseason, you know damn well he'll genuinely root for the new guy. While I'm not looking forward to it unless he does improve, he is easily the best bridge guy of the group and that's all any of them are
Cam turns 32 in May. Today he is 31, but he will not play one snap for the Patriots this season at that age.

Edit - so while isn't old, he isn't really young either. I guess sign me up for one more year. I still hope the Pats aren't the team to give him his last big contract, because I am not sold on his body holding up.
 

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Other than Newtons MVP season, Dalton has been a better QB for nearly a decade. And I'd be surprised if the contract he gets this season ends up being one we scoff at. Options do/did exist that represent middle ground between shit players (Newton) and super expensive options.
You're totally correct, forgot about him. But he had some decent teams and was 0-4 in the playoffs with 1 TD and 6 INTs in those games. The Pats aren't an Andy Dalton away from winning a title, and it sure looks like he couldn't handle the pressure of the playoffs. Its just that there are probably no QBs of the future available to the Pats considering acquisition costs, so take the one to create the best possible situation for an incoming young guy
 

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Cam turns 32 in May. Today he is 31, but he will not play one snap for the Patriots this season at that age.

Edit - so while isn't old, he isn't really young either. I guess sign me up for one more year. I still hope the Pats aren't the team to give him his last big contract, because I am not sold on his body holding up.
I mean my last sentence was literally saying I only want him, and view him, as a bridge year QB. And ya, I thought about fixing the 31/32 age thing, but both are well within what are usually prime years so I got lazy and left it
 

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I mean my last sentence was literally saying I only want him, and view him, as a bridge year QB. And ya, I thought about fixing the 31/32 age thing, but both are well within what are usually prime years so I got lazy and left it
All good - I had the same thoughts as you. I am okay with a bridge year, but I am afraid that somehow he will go 9-7 and BB will give him a 4 year extension because he likes him and he is a good leader.
Said another way, really no harm in another bridge year of Cam as long as BB is still looking for the next great Pats' QB.
 

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Other than Newtons MVP season, Dalton has been a better QB for nearly a decade. And I'd be surprised if the contract he gets this season ends up being one we scoff at. Options do/did exist that represent middle ground between shit players (Newton) and super expensive options.
Not sure that is true. Since 2010 Newton has 260 combined TDs (passing plus rushing) vs 240 for Dalton. Their stat lines are fairly similar. Dalton has a slightly higher completion rate and also a higher interception rate. Cam’s running ability is the real differentiator.

https://stathead.com/football/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=NewtCa00&player_id1=DaltAn00&sum=0&request=1
Neither QB was particularly good last year and in fact Dalton has been nothing special for the past three seasons. I would take Cam over Dalton in a heartbeat particularly considering his familiarity with the Patriots offense, his contract position and the fact that he is two years younger.
 

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I hope that a benefit of this signing is using Cam as a draw for free agents. Needless to say, offensive skill position players will still clamor to play for a top 5 QB, but there’s only so many available spots on those teams. Say what you will about Cam’s abilities, but guys in the league seem to universally love playing with him.

He’s likely a better selling point than one of the uninspiring FA QBs, or a mid-1st round draft pick who’s going to need a year or two to develop.
 

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Cam's advantage over Dalton is that he already knows the system. I'm fine with him for a year, even if he is uninspiring. Belichick must have seen things from Cam in practice that we didn't see in games. In Bill we trust...
 

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Newton/Dalton is only close if you squint. Dalton has had slightly better passing stats, but considering:

-Newton has been one of the best running QBs of all time (and continues to be at least decent) and Dalton is not.
-Newton is two years younger
-Newton has a far greater ceiling
-Newton has a year in the system under his belt
-Newton has ranged from decent to great in the playoffs and Dalton has been hot garbage

It's not really close or comparable at all.
 

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You forgot that "Newton has an infectious personality, a leader of men, and Dalton is the proprietor of a used bookstore".
 

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I've seen this team play in about 50% of the Super Bowls since the Y2K scare, so I sorta don't care if a fig newton's their quarterback.
 

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I hope that a benefit of this signing is using Cam as a draw for free agents. Needless to say, offensive skill position players will still clamor to play for a top 5 QB, but there’s only so many available spots on those teams. Say what you will about Cam’s abilities, but guys in the league seem to universally love playing with him.

He’s likely a better selling point than one of the uninspiring FA QBs, or a mid-1st round draft pick who’s going to need a year or two to develop.
I agree with this. Of all the 2nd -3rd tier qb’ s that are available at these prices, Cam is the legend. Outside of playing for a real contender, in the eyes of friends and family, playing with a CAM NEWTON beats playing with an Andy Dalton any day. It doesn’t match the reality as Cam’s barely a JAG at this moment but he’s a guy a player can dream on and tell his kids about one day. I don’t think it’s that much of a draw TBH, but it is a differentiator.
 

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Other than Newtons MVP season, Dalton has been a better QB for nearly a decade. And I'd be surprised if the contract he gets this season ends up being one we scoff at. Options do/did exist that represent middle ground between shit players (Newton) and super expensive options.
Dalton: 142 starts, 62.2% cmp%, 218 TD, 126 INT, 234.5 yd/g, 87.5 passer rating, 22 rushing TD, 9.3 rushing yards/g
Newton: 139 starts, 60.1% cmp%, 190 TD, 91 INT, 226.4 yd/g, 85.8 passer rating, 70 rushing TD, 38.6 rushing yards/g

This is all to say... I'd rather have Cam. What he brings with his legs more than makes up for the slight gap in the passing game.

If he doesn't get COVID, we could be talking about a completely different season. He was pretty great in those first three games (68% pct, 89.7 passer rating, 4 rushing TD, 2 passing TD, 2 pick, 238 yards passing per game with almost 50 per on the ground).

Also, Cam's a lovable guy. His teammates adore him. And he's making peanuts unless he has an MVP-tier season, in which the contract will be worth it.

I don't get the complaints here, I really don't.
 

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If he doesn't get COVID, we could be talking about a completely different season. He was pretty great in those first three games (68% pct, 89.7 passer rating, 4 rushing TD, 2 passing TD, 2 pick, 238 yards passing per game with almost 50 per on the ground).
Or...he doesn't get COVID, and the 3 games' worth of film in the can had given opponents all the info they needed to effectively contain the Pats offense from then on.
 

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Dalton, Trubisky, Brissett. That's what we're fucking pining for here? Mariota? Maybe Bortles is available? I wonder what Kyle Boller is doing.

Sweet Jesus on a popsicle stick. I can't imagine a scenario where I'd advocate for Mitch Trubisky for anything. If Cam Newton defecated on my Persian rug and keyed my car, I'd rather have him play QB than Mitch Trubisky.
 
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Dalton: 142 starts, 62.2% cmp%, 218 TD, 126 INT, 234.5 yd/g, 87.5 passer rating, 22 rushing TD, 9.3 rushing yards/g
Newton: 139 starts, 60.1% cmp%, 190 TD, 91 INT, 226.4 yd/g, 85.8 passer rating, 70 rushing TD, 38.6 rushing yards/g

This is all to say... I'd rather have Cam. What he brings with his legs more than makes up for the slight gap in the passing game.

If he doesn't get COVID, we could be talking about a completely different season. He was pretty great in those first three games (68% pct, 89.7 passer rating, 4 rushing TD, 2 passing TD, 2 pick, 238 yards passing per game with almost 50 per on the ground).

Also, Cam's a lovable guy. His teammates adore him. And he's making peanuts unless he has an MVP-tier season, in which the contract will be worth it.

I don't get the complaints here, I really don't.
I haven't really seen too many complaints once everyone understood the actual contours (or even the probable contours) of the contract. I wanted no part of Cam after last season, but I'm perfectly fine with this after thinking about the probable acquisition costs of players like Mariota or a (non-cut) Garoppolo. We've left our options open, and we're going into FA with a "big name" QB. I'm also okay with Belichick waiting to pick his spot. The worst thing you can do is go all in on a mediocre QB. In Bill I still trust. And even if we somehow go into the season with Cam starting 10+ games, at least there is hope for improvement over last year.
 

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Interesting? Its fucking horrifying. It basically solidifies what we all knew for the majority of last year, but have willfully forgot in the fog of the offseason (with a healthy dose of advanced stats to confuse what our eyes have told us).

A dude who's always had really shitty mechanics has a toasted shoulder. In order to get ANY juice on the ball, he basically has to turn his body into an elastic and slingshot blindly towards the receiver.

Everyone keeps saying shit like, "every QB has horrid throws like Cam. We were just spoiled by Brady!" It sounds reasonable. But, even if you just watch Pat's games, you see 16+ other QBs throughout the season. Really think - how many of them have you seen miss SO horrendously on dumps to running backs as safety valves? On 3 yard drags crossing the field right in front of them? I dont care what his completion percentage is - those plays are drive killers, and hes the most wild QB on the field almost every Sunday.

I dont want to dig into the Dalton/Cam debate too deep. Dalton was just an example, and I'm not in love with him or anything. But let's be clear: the last 3+ years, Dalton has had garbage lines, young/rookie receivers, a broken AJ Green, and guys like Jeremy Hill running the ball 200+ times. His pieces were trash, and the plays were being called from the brilliant minds of Bill Lazor and Brian Callahan.

During that same time, Cam had perennial studs on his line - Kalil, Turner, Norwell combined for several pro bowls and all pro selections - Christian McCaffrey, DJ Moore, Curtis Samuel (the same dude many on this board are pining for the Pat's to sign this offseason), and Greg Olsen.

Again, I'm not in love with Dalton or anything. But yes, I do believe that with this teams offensive line and running game, Dalton would be a better QB for this team both last year and this upcoming year, regardless of Cams experience in the system. If the biggest perk for signing Cam as your starter is wish casting like, "I dunno. People like him. Maybe better players sign here because of him?" Well...I think that's a problem.

As for his leadership? He was a great leader last year, too. And the offense fucking sucked.
 

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Yeah for all the conversation about Cam dealing with Covid last year...none of THIS is Covid-related. This is all about deteriorating mechanics. Interestingly, for all the issues he had throwing to his right, he actually is really GOOD throwing to his right, so I don't get why it's an issue for him.

 

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Perhaps throwing to his right forces him to reset his feet towards the target. He can get away with twisting his torso on throws to his left.
 
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Yeah for all the conversation about Cam dealing with Covid last year...none of THIS is Covid-related. This is all about deteriorating mechanics. Interestingly, for all the issues he had throwing to his right, he actually is really GOOD throwing to his right, so I don't get why it's an issue for him.

Combining the mechanics video above with these numbers, its easy to see how throwing to his right provides better accuracy. He cant open up his stance while throwing to his right like he does to mid field and the left sideline. His lead leg (left) has to stay in, He comes more over the top, and keeps his elbow more tucked to throw to the right.
 

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Interesting? Its fucking horrifying. It basically solidifies what we all knew for the majority of last year, but have willfully forgot in the fog of the offseason (with a healthy dose of advanced stats to confuse what our eyes have told us).

A dude who's always had really shitty mechanics has a toasted shoulder. In order to get ANY juice on the ball, he basically has to turn his body into an elastic and slingshot blindly towards the receiver.

Everyone keeps saying shit like, "every QB has horrid throws like Cam. We were just spoiled by Brady!" It sounds reasonable. But, even if you just watch Pat's games, you see 16+ other QBs throughout the season. Really think - how many of them have you seen miss SO horrendously on dumps to running backs as safety valves? On 3 yard drags crossing the field right in front of them? I dont care what his completion percentage is - those plays are drive killers, and hes the most wild QB on the field almost every Sunday.

I dont want to dig into the Dalton/Cam debate too deep. Dalton was just an example, and I'm not in love with him or anything. But let's be clear: the last 3+ years, Dalton has had garbage lines, young/rookie receivers, a broken AJ Green, and guys like Jeremy Hill running the ball 200+ times. His pieces were trash, and the plays were being called from the brilliant minds of Bill Lazor and Brian Callahan.

During that same time, Cam had perennial studs on his line - Kalil, Turner, Norwell combined for several pro bowls and all pro selections - Christian McCaffrey, DJ Moore, Curtis Samuel (the same dude many on this board are pining for the Pat's to sign this offseason), and Greg Olsen.

Again, I'm not in love with Dalton or anything. But yes, I do believe that with this teams offensive line and running game, Dalton would be a better QB for this team both last year and this upcoming year, regardless of Cams experience in the system. If the biggest perk for signing Cam as your starter is wish casting like, "I dunno. People like him. Maybe better players sign here because of him?" Well...I think that's a problem.

As for his leadership? He was a great leader last year, too. And the offense fucking sucked.
I've come to grips with this under the following scenario...

IF having Cam means that FA WR and TEs will come here because they respect him, and would never have considered us if we entered FA with Stidham has the only option,...I'm on board.

and

IF it enables us to move up and draft a QB for him to mentor over the course of 2021 (Trey Lance please?) I'm for it.

But if the above don't happen...not a fan. But I am reserving some judgment after nearly losing it yesterday
 

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That was really fascinating and great to watch, but not once does he mention the biggest factor - look at the distance between Cam and the closest rushers in those side-by-side videos!
 

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Hockey coach tells GM he needs a very skinny player with very poor reactions and very little flexibility. Why? He needs a goalie. Coach currently is back-up pitch man for Saladmaster

Coach says to GM "I need a player who has the same throwing delivery as Dr. Fauci." GM says "don't worry. I just signed him."

He can't throw. Not anymore. Mechanics have eroded terribly and footwork is a mess. He can't throw. Shoulder is fricasseed. He can't throw. Its generally considered to be of some importance to a QB. He can't throw. There's no barn with a broadside big enough for him to hit. He can't throw.

But I am firmly in the belief that BB has a plan even if I have no idea what it is. 20 years of fun earns my undying devotion.