Pats Preseason: Catch-All Thread

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I thought Stidham was a full participant in the mini camp. Strange how a shoulder injury would show up between then and now, landing him on the PUP. Which means it’s probably not good.
 

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Another day, another Bedard tribute to Mac Jones.

https://www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2021/07/28/teammate-reactions-speaks-volumes-jones-newton-patriots-camp

On the penultimate play of the session, Jones surveyed the field after play-action again — this time from left to right — and fired a touchdown to Gunner Olszewski that had good velocity and once again showed off Jones' anticipation and timing. Jones ended with another touchdown, to N'Keal Harry.

After the play, as the team got setup for field goals, Josh McDaniels and Jones were in a deep discussion about the finer points of Patriots quarterbacking when Andrews walked by and turned around to listen in. When they were done, Andrews had about the biggest smile I've ever seen on him. Then, he took his right arm and put it on Jones' shoulder. Andrews gave him a little squeeze on the shoulder, while still wearing that big smile.
David Andrews likes him! Maybe should be inducted into the HoF before the season starts.
 
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Yeah, but does Andrews like him “a little squeeze on the shoulder while still wearing that big smile” level or - oh wait, I see. Mac must kick some serious ass.
 

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"Cam Newton just had the best period of camp by either QB." Technically true. Two practices. Take a breath, Jeff.
I guess we're to blame since we're eating it up, but the overheated press coverage of how each QB is doing in each practice session seems way over the top.
 

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I am going to try my best to ignore this nonsense until I see these guys QB the team in preseason games. And I am going to attempt to temper my enthusiasm then.
 

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One guy says that Cam had a really strong performance, one guy says that neither QB was good.
Alllllllrighty then.
In fairness, Jeff's was about one particular session of the day. He may have been good in that session, but meh overall today.
 

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In fairness, Jeff's was about one particular session of the day. He may have been good in that session, but meh overall today.
To that very point:
• On the whole, neither quarterback has been markedly better through two practices, but Newton’s final period Thursday was strong. He still sprinkles in some bad misses – more of a spotlight there because it was such an issue last season – but we’ll see if this was a momentum-creating period.
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• Newton is 17 of 30 with two interceptions through two practices. Jones is 17 of 32 without any picks.
The Athletic Recap
 

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Seems like what it might be shaping up to be is that Mac "fits the suit" in that he looks like what we all want a QB to look like and the throws and timing are mostly there, but there's just enough rookie stuff mixed in that Cam will hold him off. At least going into first preseason game.
 

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The cumulative training camp completion percentages are the most ridiculous thing sports coverage has produced in the last decade. Just horrible. Tells us literally nothing.
 

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"Jacobi Myers hasn't been targeted!!" is my favorite schadenpringle.

There is also "QBX completed 2 passes to Someone, which shows that they are getting on the same page"
 

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I think we may be going too far around the bend here though. This stuff *does* matter on some level. Do we really think BB doesn't think what these guys look like in training camp matters?

I'd say the issue is that the folks serving up takes are, for the most part, being too superficial (hence the completion percentage), but how they do out there is important.
 

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Well, saying none of this matters is a little disingenuous. But in the grand scheme of things in relation to game 1 starter, it matters...what? Two percent?
 

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Daily camp stats mean next to nothing, but people are absolutely starving for football by this point in the year. If guys are going to write stories about anything Patriot-related in late July, I'm in.
 

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Pro-tip: If these updates bother you or are "meaningless" you don't need to tell us every day.




 

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I think we may be going too far around the bend here though. This stuff *does* matter on some level. Do we really think BB doesn't think what these guys look like in training camp matters?

I'd say the issue is that the folks serving up takes are, for the most part, being too superficial (hence the completion percentage), but how they do out there is important.
The media is making way too much out of this. It’s like every pass and rep is dissected and is a referendum on who starts 6-7 weeks from now. Keeping a tally on who “wins the day” is stupid too. They’re not even in pads yet.
 

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BB will keep saying that right up until the day he doesn't say it. Hard to hang too much on that.

Nice to see Cam make a throw to his right like that highlight.
 
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BB will keep saying that right up until the day he doesn't say it. Hard to hang too much on that.
And it’s perfectly reasonable for Cam to be the current starter before Mac has even played a preseason snap. But if Mac progresses like we hope and Cam sucks like we expect, the changing of the guard is certainly coming at some point.
 

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And it’s perfectly reasonable for Cam to be the current starter before Mac has even played a preseason snap. But if Mac progresses like we hope and Cam sucks like we expect, the changing of the guard is certainly coming at some point.
People may end up disappointed this year when Cam looks half decent, having professional receivers all around him.
 

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If you're expecting Bedard to be unbiased when comparing these quarterbacks I got some bad news for you
 

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BB will keep saying that right up until the day he doesn't say it. Hard to hang too much on that.

Nice to see Cam make a throw to his right like that highlight.
Looked much more smooth and natural than most of the throws we saw him attempt last year, which often required some very awkward contortions just to get enough juice on them.
 
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PFW/Unfiltered guys have been watching every day and earlier today, I believe, but possibly yesterday, they were saying that Cam continues to appear as though he has to put virtually EVERYTHING into it when he throws deep. FWIW.
 

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People may end up disappointed this year when Cam looks half decent, having professional receivers all around him.
Not sure anyone will be disappointed if Cam is throwing TD passes. His problems last year were certainly related to talent and mechanics/health. We’ll see this year what the real Cam is now that there is talent around him.
 

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How is it that Cam has to put everything he has into downfield throws, as ripped as he is… but flabbily unimpressive McCorkle is somehow effortless?
 

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You can see it in the videos. He winds up like Dizzy Dean to make those throws.
Yeah, I didnt want to be a debbie downer, but that deep TD throw shown above reminded me more of last year. He has to put himself completely into it, and his form is still pretty ugly.

Frankly, I'd be more excited to see him stepping into 15 yard throws. Watching him try to muscle throws with his arm while throwing off his back foot...I'm just done with it.
 

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How is it that Cam has to put everything he has into downfield throws, as ripped as he is… but flabbily unimpressive McCorkle is somehow effortless?
Because Cam’s throwing shoulder is toast and has been for a few years now. It’s why he’s wildly inaccurate at times in terms of both ball placement and depth.

Mac’s deep ball isn’t effortless, but maybe compared to Cam’s it is.
 

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BB will keep saying that right up until the day he doesn't say it. Hard to hang too much on that.
Exactly. BB committed to nothing by saying that.
If you're expecting Bedard to be unbiased when comparing these quarterbacks I got some bad news for you
Clearly, a lot of it is a style thing with Bedard. He wants the Brady-style of QB (read the defense, change the play at the line, drop back and get the ball out quickly, go through progressions, use the whole field, throw guys open). That just isn't and will never be Cam.

I do wonder whether we will see games where both of them play, by design. Newton ran for almost 600 years and 12 touchdowns in a down year for the Patriots where opposing teams basically knew what was coming. Although job sharing at the QB position seems like it would be anathema to Belichick, maybe we'll see it this year.
 

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BB will keep saying that right up until the day he doesn't say it. Hard to hang too much on that.

Nice to see Cam make a throw to his right like that highlight.
I'm not sure I agree here.

I dont think BB is promising or guaranteeing a full season for Cam as a starter, but the only other time I can think of that BB implied or stated a longterm starter was his Brady scoff when asked if Brady was the starter going forward.

If Cam straight out sucks, then there will be a discussion. But I think we see a slightly more stable Cam this season - not a fantastic arm, but lots more talent to play with - and Mac redshirts the year.
 

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I'm not sure I agree here.

I dont think BB is promising or guaranteeing a full season for Cam as a starter, but the only other time I can think of that BB implied or stated a longterm starter was his Brady scoff when asked if Brady was the starter going forward.

If Cam straight out sucks, then there will be a discussion. But I think we see a slightly more stable Cam this season - not a fantastic arm, but lots more talent to play with - and Mac redshirts the year.
He's coached the Pats for 21 years and Brady was his starter headed into camp for 18 of them.
 

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He's coached the Pats for 21 years and Brady was his starter headed into camp for 18 of them.
Ok. So has he ever confirmed a week 1 starter prior to the first preseason game even being played?

I suppose theres limited sample size, but I couldnt imagine that happening with any other player in 21 years.
 
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