Pats: Minicamp Catch-all Thread

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I love how it seems to me like the media is trying to frame things as Cam is struggling, but Jones' numbers aren't all that much better.
 

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I love how it seems to me like the media is trying to frame things as Cam is struggling, but Jones' numbers aren't all that much better.
I can't say anything about the motives of the media besides their interest in getting clicks, but it's totally possible for two QBs to have similar numbers and be really encouraged about one guy's play while being really discouraged about the other's.
 

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With hitters, I wonder if the constant tinkering has to do with failing 70% of the time they step up to the plate.
Also, the styles of pitchers they faced changed a lot. Schmidt in particular I believe totally reinvented his swing as pitching styles changed in the late 70s.
 

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Literally a week ago I figured there was no chance Mac would start week 1. Based on today’s reports, it feels like there is a chance. Maybe it’s pure media spin. But I like having that hope.
 

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Mills appears to be getting in great positions, and to have shit hands, every writeup is.... Mills dropped picks from basically every QB.
This is exactly the scouting report that Eagles fans gave me. He is going to drive this board nuts but, hey, getting in position is half the battle.
 

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I can't say anything about the motives of the media besides their interest in getting clicks, but it's totally possible for two QBs to have similar numbers and be really encouraged about one guy's play while being really discouraged about the other's.
I hate this new trend of charting practice passing stats for that reason. It tells us nothing. What's the value on asserting a guy went 4/5 on 7 on 7's if three of those completions were checkdowns with no pass rush? Completion percentage isn't a good way to judge QB play during actual games, nevermind in practice. So stupid.
 

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I hate this new trend of charting practice passing stats for that reason. It tells us nothing. What's the value on asserting a guy went 4/5 on 7 on 7's if three of those completions were checkdowns with no pass rush? Completion percentage isn't a good way to judge QB play during actual games, nevermind in practice. So stupid.
Yeah this is basically like if reporters charted how many home runs people were hitting in spring training batting practice, or how many three-pointers people were making in NBA preseason practices. There are occasional scenarios where this might be worth reporting on (if Ben Simmons was suddenly draining threes in practice, say, or if Billy Hamilton was seen jacking BP homers left and right) but for the most part it is totally irrelevant - particularly because we have no idea what each player's goals are on each given set. For all we know the coaching staff is telling Cam to take it easy to avoid injuries, or telling Mac to just focus on making his reads and not to worry about accuracy, or whatever.
 

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Ernie Adams gets the mic for a few minutes after OTA camp today and is asked to explain "Pink Stripes". "Proprietary info, and we'll leave it at that." I didn't think we'd ever get an answer... lol
 

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The other two incompletions were just a bit too far for open WRs down the field. 3 real misses on 9 INCs.
It's going to be awesome if those type of incompletions are not considered "real misses" during the season.

"Second and ten"

"No it's not, that pass was a bit too far for an open wide receiver down the field. It's not a real miss."

"Right you are, first and ten"
 

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It's going to be awesome if those type of incompletions are not considered "real misses" during the season.

"Second and ten"

"No it's not, that pass was a bit too far for an open wide receiver down the field. It's not a real miss."

"Right you are, first and ten"
I particularly liked... 2 were designed shots in 2 minute...

Ah yes, 2 minute the time where you least want to complete passes.

I get it, selling hope on rookies gets attention, but seriously... it's okay to say... the rookie didn't execute, most rookies don't.
 

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It's going to be awesome if those type of incompletions are not considered "real misses" during the season.

"Second and ten"

"No it's not, that pass was a bit too far for an open wide receiver down the field. It's not a real miss."

"Right you are, first and ten"
I love how we're now giving brownie points for incompletions that weren't a result of a wildly inaccurate pass on a non-padded practice. There's no need to kill the guy for missing a pass at minicamp, but christ.
 

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I particularly liked... 2 were designed shots in 2 minute...

Ah yes, 2 minute the time where you least want to complete passes.
I *think* by shots they were saying the were saying shots down the field--throw long no matter what in that portion of the drill.
 

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I *think* by shots they were saying the were saying shots down the field--throw long no matter what in that portion of the drill.
yeah, I get it, but the point was... he still missed them. When you point out the stats of the various QBs, then start trying to explain away the failures of one, it's silly. I mean, if Cam had more completions... does that mean Cam hit those deep throws?
 

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yeah, I get it, but the point was... he still missed them. When you point out the stats of the various QBs, then start trying to explain away the failures of one, it's silly. I mean, if Cam had more completions... does that mean Cam hit those deep throws?
Exactly. If we can all learn to take mini camp with a grain of salt we'd be better off. Cam is the starter week 1, no matter how much Jeff Howe tells you they were only 3 "real" misses.
 

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When you point out the stats of the various QBs, then start trying to explain away the failures of one, it's silly. I mean, if Cam had more completions... does that mean Cam hit those deep throws?
Well, yesterday half this board tried to use rain and injury to explain Cam's day and the other half of the board wasn't having it, so...even?

EDIT: To be clear, I do think it's all a bit of puffery too, just saying, that on those misses everyone, including the defense, may have known he was throwing deep, so I *understand* what Howe was doing, even if it came off like he was excusing things.
 

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Not only is Mac, Cam backwards. He’s white, he’s accurate and he’s not known for his mobility. They are but yin and yang.
 

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Mac had a dog named Newton too. (Fig) Newton. I won't tell you what one of Cam's dogs names is.
Can you tell us the dog’s nickname? Was it “four-legged animal” or “canine” or “barksalot”?
 

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Gone are the halcyon days of Brady never missing a throw. Even when a Receiver didn't catch it he should have been at that spot.
 

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Hilarious article here at cbssports.com on the offseason rankings - the best offseasons in the NFL so far:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2021-nfl-offseason-trade-rankings-rams-push-for-matthew-stafford-headlines-most-impactful-deals-in-offseason/

The Patriots not only aren't #1 (which is crazy), they aren't even in the top 10. Moreover, they aren't even among the honorable mentions.

LOL
Did you read the article? It was specifically about trades.

Edit: and it includes the Trent Brown trade at #9 potentially most impactful (also includes the Izzo and Cannon trades going the other direction)
 

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Did you read the article? It was specifically about trades.

Edit: and it includes the Trent Brown trade at #9 potentially most impactful (also includes the Izzo and Cannon trades going the other direction)
Hmmmm the article is different now. Now the top story in that link is about trades. Scroll down and you’ll see their top 10 off seasons. It’s the next article down. That’s the one I’m referring to.
 

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I am really getting excited about the front seven. I was listening to the Kyed and Cox podcast and they said there will be tough cuts to make on the DL and at LB unless there are injuries. That defensive line blew last year.
 

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Same writer, assessing free agency hauls, gave the Patriots a B

The opinions on the Pats' unexpected splurge will be varied, but we fall right in the middle. Are they overpaying for a bunch of guys? Obviously. Do free agent extravaganzas pan out? Rarely. Still, Smith and Henry will immediately improve their offense, Judon is still a Pro Bowl-caliber rusher, and guys like Agholor and Mills offer enough versatility to carve out steady roles. Next up: A real QB.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2021-nfl-free-agency-grades-browns-buccaneers-jets-vikings-among-smart-deal-makers/
 

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Yeah, the Chargers are #3 because they signed a tight end and a center. Which the Patriots did too, plus another TE, and like a million additional players.
Not to mention, the Chargers had to sign a tight end because they lost a tight end... to the Patriots.
 

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Same writer, assessing free agency hauls, gave the Patriots a B

The opinions on the Pats' unexpected splurge will be varied, but we fall right in the middle. Are they overpaying for a bunch of guys? Obviously. Do free agent extravaganzas pan out? Rarely. Still, Smith and Henry will immediately improve their offense, Judon is still a Pro Bowl-caliber rusher, and guys like Agholor and Mills offer enough versatility to carve out steady roles. Next up: A real QB.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2021-nfl-free-agency-grades-browns-buccaneers-jets-vikings-among-smart-deal-makers/
Eh, overpay is relative to cap situation. And the way the deals are structured they are most assuredly NOT big cap hits.
 

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Did you read the article? It was specifically about trades.

Edit: and it includes the Trent Brown trade at #9 potentially most impactful (also includes the Izzo and Cannon trades going the other direction)
CBS Sports, for reasons only known to them, essentially makes it impossible to directly link articles there except via social media. It's weird like that.