Patriots Training Camp 2024
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How can anyone be that down on Maye already? He's literally just starting out. He's 21 years old.
I'm not sure how anyone can take Bedard or Curran seriously at this point. They're all clickbait takez. They drive negativity and misery for views. Really tired of that perspective.
Being down on Maye being a potential Week 1 starter? I could see that. He’s 21 and wasn’t expected to be the immediate starter anyway. And 3 days of training camp was highly unlikely to change that impression, barring some amazing breakout performance.
Being down on him in general? That’s just hot takez BS.
And Curran’s comment on Mayo destroys his credibility on anything else he has to say.
Being down on him in general? That’s just hot takez BS.
And Curran’s comment on Mayo destroys his credibility on anything else he has to say.
Worth remembering that Curran wanted the Pats to pick McCarthy and thought Maye was too raw.
Also, worth remembering that Bedard was desperate for anyone and everyone to credit him for predicting the last two years that the offense would stink. He was right but he’s so insecure it wasn’t hard to understand why he had no sources in Gillette under Bill.
Also, worth remembering that Bedard was desperate for anyone and everyone to credit him for predicting the last two years that the offense would stink. He was right but he’s so insecure it wasn’t hard to understand why he had no sources in Gillette under Bill.
Completely agree. It’s not about how bad the offense is in games 1-8 (it will be terrible) but whether they improve by season’s end. And more importantly that they get positions of strength so that they can focus on fixing a problem area next year. As it stands now, they have major holes at WR and Tackle that have no chance of being filled by year end. But if Polk and Douglass progress enough, along with Maye, maybe it gets them to a spot next year where adding a first round tackle can give hope for the offense next year.
I'm sure BB had no one responsible for knowing what the press was saying or didn't know every narrative going. Come on.
Also, I've now listened to something Curran said twice and I can't figure out. He said that Ryland was kicking balls into the crowd rather than toward the uprights for part of practice. I am having a really hard time picturing this.
Anyway, I agree that Curran sucks.
Anyway, I agree that Curran sucks.
I just listened to Perry on his Next Pats pod and he was a lot more positive. Said he was working on issues like finding the second option or checking down. Perry has stated multiple times that he feels Drake was the best QB in the draft
I’ve sadly listened to all these morons like Curran and Bedard and I don’t recall any “worry” at all about Maye. In fact despite throwing an INT last practice (first one) they were talking about how he bounced back and clearly had the best throws of the camp.
It's just confounding. No reasonable football observer would think that adding a raw, future QB1 would solve the Pats' offensive woes. The line is a shambles. The WR corps is either very young, very injured or very washed. The TEs are on, but unspectacular. The RBs are underwhelming. It's just not a good unit at all, and thus, it'll be very difficult to judge Maye's quality.
The key to me will be whether the defense maintains it's quality game to game over the season, and to judge Mayo on that. Any bright spots on the offense would be lovely, but unexpected.
The key to me will be whether the defense maintains it's quality game to game over the season, and to judge Mayo on that. Any bright spots on the offense would be lovely, but unexpected.
Listening to the Curran Perry pod now. I think the more thoughtful of these types of shows are going to wrestle with how to characterize these practices given that they are going to see a lot of rough stuff and don’t want to be seen as cheerleaders or as overly negative. Perry talks about that a little even.
If there's not enough for anyone to be happy about, then there's not enough for anyone to be upset about.
Best of luck with this Mr. Barmore.
From Evan Lazar, on the WR's:
Baker's explosiveness to create separation has caught the eye when targeted and away from the ball. Baker began Sunday's practice by dazzling during one-on-one drills. First, he ran away from starting CB Christian Gonzalez on an in-breaking route, then dusted undrafted rookie corner Mikey Victor at the line of scrimmage on a go route.
Polk has been heavily involved as a reliable target at the first two levels of the defense. The Pats seem to have plans for him to contribute as a rookie in a Z/slot role, and he projects as a pass-catcher who could be that steady chain-moving piece when the team needs a first down.
However, Polk's burst through the top of routes and vertical separation has been pedestrian. It's not overly surprising that Polk isn't an eye-popping separator, as that was the case on his college film as well.
Reagor is one player with true deep speed, along with Thornton, and so far, we'd give the TCU product the edge to win a roster spot as a "speed X" on the perimeter. Reagor had the catch of camp to date with a one-handed snag on a deep shot from Maye on day one and has also pulled away from defenders on shallow crossing routes.
It's been a slog for the two veteran receivers in the early going. Smith-Schuster's burst to create separation looks totally gone. He wears coverage on seemingly every route and struggles to finish through contact. There were two occasions in Sunday's practice where JuJu got at least a hand on the ball, but the defender in coverage was draped all over him, and Smith-Schuster couldn't complete the catch.
We aren't seeing any signs of life from Smith-Schuster, and Osborn has been slightly better, but nothing to write home about for similar reasons: a lack of separation.
https://www.patriots.com/news/six-observations-on-the-patriots-wide-receiver-competition-through-four-camp-practices
From Evan Lazar, on the WR's:
Baker's explosiveness to create separation has caught the eye when targeted and away from the ball. Baker began Sunday's practice by dazzling during one-on-one drills. First, he ran away from starting CB Christian Gonzalez on an in-breaking route, then dusted undrafted rookie corner Mikey Victor at the line of scrimmage on a go route.
Polk has been heavily involved as a reliable target at the first two levels of the defense. The Pats seem to have plans for him to contribute as a rookie in a Z/slot role, and he projects as a pass-catcher who could be that steady chain-moving piece when the team needs a first down.
However, Polk's burst through the top of routes and vertical separation has been pedestrian. It's not overly surprising that Polk isn't an eye-popping separator, as that was the case on his college film as well.
Reagor is one player with true deep speed, along with Thornton, and so far, we'd give the TCU product the edge to win a roster spot as a "speed X" on the perimeter. Reagor had the catch of camp to date with a one-handed snag on a deep shot from Maye on day one and has also pulled away from defenders on shallow crossing routes.
It's been a slog for the two veteran receivers in the early going. Smith-Schuster's burst to create separation looks totally gone. He wears coverage on seemingly every route and struggles to finish through contact. There were two occasions in Sunday's practice where JuJu got at least a hand on the ball, but the defender in coverage was draped all over him, and Smith-Schuster couldn't complete the catch.
We aren't seeing any signs of life from Smith-Schuster, and Osborn has been slightly better, but nothing to write home about for similar reasons: a lack of separation.
https://www.patriots.com/news/six-observations-on-the-patriots-wide-receiver-competition-through-four-camp-practices
justin simmons wouild been 2x the player dugger is had bill stayed i think simmons is a pat always was high on him
Gresh and Fauria were absolutely roasting the Pats in the last hour for how this is looking with Godcheax and Judon and the lacksadaisical nature of things so far.
The speed with which talk radio has gone from “Belichick is a tyrant” to “Mayo Is as soft as baby food“ is impressive.
It's also possible that this goes very badly. Last year, the noise during camp was that the offense looked terrible, and a lot of us (myself included) chalked it up to a bunch of writers/hosts looking for eyeballs. Turned out to be right. So when it's largely run back with the same group of players with a couple changes around the edges, and a coaching staff with a huge variance in terms of possible competency, I think we have to acknowledge that this year could very easily go worse than last year, and that sometimes the noise coming out of camp is accurate.
Sorry for the aggregator link, but I don't go on Twitter.
https://larrybrownsports.com/football/matt-judon-leaves-patriots-practice-animated/636818
I think they'll be as bad or worse but perception will be affected by expectations. All I really want to see out of this year is improvement throughout the course of the year, particularly out of Maye when he plays, the young WRs and Mayo as HC, and maybe a few fun, competitive, unexpectedly close games. It would be nice if they looked prepared and played clean-ish games, even if they get outmatched by talent. No illusions that this rebuild will be a one year deal.
Agree completely. We love to shoot messengers here, but sometimes it's not just about "teh clickzz!", it's about a team being lousy. I have a hard time squinting and seeing this team being decent, so I'm not surprised if the first few days of camp don't exactly inspire confidence and praise.
Would Judon have more value in trade now or at the deadline?
He's a good player but he's 31 and coming off a missed season and frankly the defense was pretty good without him. Given his age, he's unlikely to be a part of the next playoff Patriots team. Does it make sense to move on now and give more snaps to a young guy like White or hold on to Judon, re-work his contract and see if his value increases at the deadline. Feels like contenders are always looking for pass rush help.
He's a good player but he's 31 and coming off a missed season and frankly the defense was pretty good without him. Given his age, he's unlikely to be a part of the next playoff Patriots team. Does it make sense to move on now and give more snaps to a young guy like White or hold on to Judon, re-work his contract and see if his value increases at the deadline. Feels like contenders are always looking for pass rush help.
Maybe I’m missing something but Judon doesn’t seem like the type of player you should have to give a raise to while he is under contract. They just renegotiated last year. Really good when healthy but not a superstar. He’s coming off an injury. He only has one year left on his contract. If he wants more money he should show up this year and prove he deserves it on his next contract.
Yes, tho I also think there's a big difference between beat reporters like Greg Bedard or Tom Curran saying this kind of thing versus talk radio shitheads raging about whatever. Lest we forget, these guys rage about everything, including championships. And while you might argue "But Fauria was a player!" specifically here they're roasting the team for how they're handling contract situations -- not whether the QBs and WRs are on the same page when it comes to passing routes.
None of which is to say that the uprising of the underpaid veterans ("Godchaux's Rebellion," anyone?) isn't important. I'm just taking the way these talk radio guys are commenting on this stuff with a grain of salt. They are all chodes.
I'm not well versed in NFL salary stuff but Judon's salary this year is 41st among edge rushers in the NFL. He's older and coming off injury but feels a little low to me.
I go with "move on from him now." I happen to think they are right for not extending him, given his age and his dropoff in production the back half of his last healthy year. I think his trade value is higher than his value to this team as a pass rushing specialist on the back 9.
By cap hit he was 21st last year. I had trouble finding updated numbers but it looks pretty similar.
Sorry, should've clarified, I was going off his actual salary not the cap number. I assume the actual cash is of more interest/concern to Judon than the cap number.
Sportrac has him tied for 54th with Tavai in actual cash for edge rushers.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/player/_/year/2024/position/edge/sort/cash_total
I think now, mainly because he's healthy. The likelihood of that being the case at the deadline is fairly low in any year, and even more so coming off an injury at his age. I'd go with a some kind of mutual arrangement to get him to a team for one last contract. Wouldn't alienate the other players but would also reset the roster a little.
But that's the case every year at every position. It's not based on where you stand among your peers, it's when you signed the contract.
Coming off pretty much a missed year, the year after he disappeared for the second half, right after we already restructured, I think would be a bad look to do it again.
You want to get a bag? Stay healthy and play the while year.
That may be what his camp would argue, but the way signing bonuses work in the NFL I think it’s disingenuous.
If the 2 sides are indeed at a contract impasse, then yes a trade would be the best outcome, given the situation of this team. One problem is that he likely returns a conditional 4th or 5th rounder. The other is the potential locker room messaging, as the new management is not in position to tell the players and, more importantly, the Krafts that this team is going nowhere regardless.
Any receiving team needs to have $6.5M in cap space available, which could limit the return as well.
Any receiving team needs to have $6.5M in cap space available, which could limit the return as well.
Isn't Judon's contract basically $0 guaranteed? They moved all the guaranteed money up to last year, then he was hurt after 4 games but got all the money. If I was the Pats I'd just guarantee his contract for this year or trade him out. I don't see any point in giving him a 3-4 year extension.
To be fair, he seems every other halfway decent player on the roster getting an extension and wants one too.
I for one would be fine with a conditional fourth or fifth--if it comes to that, holding onto him at any price might become more of a nuisance than it's worth.
I wouldn't be concerned about the message here; they all see what we're seeing, and probably with a far more critical eye. Mayo should be preaching development over the course of the season, regardless of the W/L record.
The message of trading Judon might be: "Mayo may be easier to play for than Bill, but we're still not putting up with nonsense that is detrimental to us winning as a team."
His 2024 salary becomes guaranteed if he is on the roster for Week 1 games. So it’s likely Judon wants more to play for NE.
yeah i know that the only thing i dont like about your offseason hope u get 2 years of good drafts then if they can play resign u dont need duggar and peppers both for ex u let LT be a big hole