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Well, I guess that's one way to spin it.
It's not spin though. The offense under McDaniels had so much verbiage and so many variations on the same play that for younger players it was a challenge to grasp. If they've streamlined it so players can just react and act instinctively instead of having to think a lot on the field it's a good thing. Let's see if it makes a difference however.
 

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It's not spin though. The offense under McDaniels had so much verbiage and so many variations on the same play that for younger players it was a challenge to grasp. If they've streamlined it so players can just react and act instinctively instead of having to think a lot on the field it's a good thing. Let's see if it makes a difference however.
That's not what they told us when they had the best offense in football over a 20 year period. Odds are, given the choice, Bill would prefer to run the complex and intricate system he always ran. The fact he's gone away from that even while praising his QB's maturation tells me he likely doesn't trust the coaching. If Mac has evolved and has a much better grasp of concepts and scheme (and I 100% believe he does), why dumb it down considering most of the starters from last year are returning? Aside from Parker and Strange, who's a newcomer that should be expected to contribute a lot and would benefit from a simplified offense? Sure, it makes it so guys can react and play faster, but it obviously has other downsides, otherwise they would've made this change years ago.
 

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That's not what they told us when they had the best offense in football over a 20 year period. Odds are, given the choice, Bill would prefer to run the complex and intricate system he always ran. The fact he's gone away from that even while praising his QB's maturation tells me he likely doesn't trust the coaching. If Mac has evolved and has a much better grasp of concepts and scheme (and I 100% believe he does), why dumb it down considering most of the starters from last year are returning? Aside from Parker and Strange, who's a newcomer that should be expected to contribute a lot and would benefit from a simplified offense? Sure, it makes it so guys can react and play faster, but it obviously has other downsides, otherwise they would've made this change years ago.
To modernize the offense? To have it run faster? Did 2019 with Tom Brady look like a well oiled machine based on 20 years of experience?

View: https://twitter.com/PhilAPerry/status/1552316090465779712
 

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That's not what they told us when they had the best offense in football over a 20 year period. Odds are, given the choice, Bill would prefer to run the complex and intricate system he always ran. The fact he's gone away from that even while praising his QB's maturation tells me he likely doesn't trust the coaching. If Mac has evolved and has a much better grasp of concepts and scheme (and I 100% believe he does), why dumb it down considering most of the starters from last year are returning? Aside from Parker and Strange, who's a newcomer that should be expected to contribute a lot and would benefit from a simplified offense? Sure, it makes it so guys can react and play faster, but it obviously has other downsides, otherwise they would've made this change years ago.
They didn't change anything because Tom Brady was running this offense for so long and for much of those 20 years you had an OC who had a ton of experience in the system they've run. With Brady and McD, they were operating at such a high level of knowledge and experience in the system by the end that everyone new to the team was so far behind them. Now that both are gone, it's natural that some things were going to change to take advantage of what Mac and the others do well. If it's much of the same offense but only made easier to understand and apply on the field then that is a good thing. I think it won't look that much different, but I bet we see some new wrinkles like more bootlegs to get Mac on the run similar to what you see in a Shanahan-style offense.
 

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Without knowing what Brown means, I don’t feel ready to draw any conclusions. Is the terminology different? Are they cutting down on the number of formations off of which they run identical concepts? Are their blocking schemes changing?

Who knows. Will bear watching, though.
 

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They didn't change anything because Tom Brady was running this offense for so long and for much of those 20 years you had an OC who had a ton of experience in the system they've run. With Brady and McD, they were operating at such a high level of knowledge and experience in the system by the end that everyone new to the team was so far behind them. Now that both are gone, it's natural that some things were going to change to take advantage of what Mac and the others do well. If it's much of the same offense but only made easier to understand and apply on the field then that is a good thing. I think it won't look that much different, but I bet we see some new wrinkles like more bootlegs to get Mac on the run similar to what you see in a Shanahan-style offense.
Once again, people like Kendrick Bourne are talking about the offense being simpler, and considering Kendrick Bourne wasn't on the Patriots prior to 2021 I'm going to assume he means it's being dumbed down compared to last year's offense, which had a rookie QB. Do you think it's usual for an offense to downgrade in complexity in year 2 of a QB's tenure (especially when he had a solid rookie season and everyone and their mom is raving about his work ethic and football IQ)?

I'm not even saying it's necessarily a bad thing, but I don't see how anyone could conclude it's a good thing.
 

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I’m at a loss as to why you think simplifying the offense after the GOAT QB and the long-time OC leaveis some kind of black mark.

They now have year of knowing what Mac likes and what works with him. Same for all the WRs and TEs.

Not being as in command of an offense at the same level as Tom Brady is is something exactly 0 other QBs in NFL history have dealt with.
 

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Once again, people like Kendrick Bourne are talking about the offense being simpler, and considering Kendrick Bourne wasn't on the Patriots prior to 2021 I'm going to assume he means it's being dumbed down compared to last year's offense, which had a rookie QB. Do you think it's usual for an offense to downgrade in complexity in year 2 of a QB's tenure (especially when he had a solid rookie season and everyone and their mom is raving about his work ethic and football IQ)?

I'm not even saying it's necessarily a bad thing, but I don't see how anyone could conclude it's a good thing.
Last year's offense was the same offense that was run for 20 years. We've seen and heard many others say in that time say how complex it is. It's not a new thing. It's great if the QB is able to operate the offense, but if the others can't get on the same page as the QB how good is your offense going to be?

As far as your question, I think if you make anything easier to do it's a positive. How can it not be?
 

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They had a good offense last year, have added Parker and some decent pedigree rookies, and are praising Mac as having put in a ton of work this offseason. Concluding either way is foolish, but simplest explanation would seem to be to me that if Bill is doing it, it’s probably because he thinks it will be a good thing. There’s just not a lot of evidence that it’s because they weren’t good enough at the complex system last year, which isn’t what anyone seems to be saying here, but strikes me as the only way this could logically be concluded to be a bad thing.
 

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It just depends what and how they mean simplified. You’re going to have route conversions in any offense in the NFL. If you read their old playbooks sometimes they have 6-10 different variations based on what the defense is doing. Maybe they condensed some of that?
 

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To continue that thought maybe they are going to use more RPOs or quick game with fewer options or maybe simplify the running game to more outside zone and gap/power with passing concepts tied to 8-10 runs vs 15-25.
 

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Without knowing what Brown means, I don’t feel ready to draw any conclusions. Is the terminology different? Are they cutting down on the number of formations off of which they run identical concepts? Are their blocking schemes changing?

Who knows. Will bear watching, though.
Bears watching, but probably a little overblown. A simplified offense at the start of training camp is pretty common, even more so with a different coordinator in place. They all need to get their footing. Im sure there will be some changes, but its not like the guys on the staff are complete strangers.
 

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I saw a report that Rhamondre took the first team snaps at RB with Harris taking the second team snaps. I’m giddy about the RB corps this year. Loads of talent.
 

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It just depends what and how they mean simplified. You’re going to have route conversions in any offense in the NFL. If you read their old playbooks sometimes they have 6-10 different variations based on what the defense is doing. Maybe they condensed some of that?
It sounded like Brown was speaking specifically to how it would improve his and their blocking, not just about simplifying it for QB and WR. Trimming back the playbook and adding stuff back in seems like a good idea.
 

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Wow that seems.....like not the best use of financial resources. He didn't do a heck of a lot for them last year, based on my admittedly uneducated perspective.
 

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I can't picture how strong a season he would have to have they couldn't have signed him to this contract post season. Cannot understand the logic here.
 

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Godchaux had 65 tackles last year, that is a lot for an interior defensive lineman. He was immense in the first Buffalo game. BB must think he will contribute more going forward. Plus the Pats get cap relief.
 

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This has got to be cap space creation related. I think his hit is over $10M this year and the team has less than $1M in space.
 

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He won’t see the end of that deal but this just kicking the can down the road. He’s a bad player.
 

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Don’t think Godchaux is a bad player; he probably makes most NFL rosters in some capacity. But he definitely fits the “league average” label at his position, which would include plenty of below average games.
 

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I thought the Pats would draft an IDL with their first pick this year but this signals BB believes, based on his production in 2021, that he is worth the extension and anchors the DL for the next few years thus making a selection unnecessary. He isn't a bad player at all.

We were so spoiled by Wilfork.
 

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He’s a fine player and this isn’t that much of a raise per year off of his last contract, plus as others have pointed out, it creates cap room for 2022.
 

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That’s an insanely high $ guaranteed deal for someone of his limited talents. Haven’t been this disappointed ina signing in a long while. They aren’t contending in 2022 anyway so I don’t see the reward
 

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That’s an insanely high $ guaranteed deal for someone of his limited talents. Haven’t been this disappointed ina signing in a long while. They aren’t contending in 2022 anyway so I don’t see the reward
They aren’t? They contended last year and should have some key players making improvements in their second seasons, plus the new offensive talent they brought in. Have to believe the division is Buffalo’s as long as Allen is healthy, but they should very much be in play for a wild card.
 

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Do we have the depth at corner to have any chance at matching up with teams like the Bills or Chiefs even if we snuck into the playoffs? I don’t see it. I expect our secondary to get shredded a lot this season and the offense to be good, but not good enough to keep up.

Lots of 34-24 and 31-27 types of losses coming our way IMO.
 

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Assuming DeVante Parker starts, does Agholor or Bourne go to the slot and Meyers to more of a "3rd down specialist" type role?
 

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Assuming DeVante Parker starts, does Agholor or Bourne go to the slot and Meyers to more of a "3rd down specialist" type role?
If the reports of Agholor looking like the player NE thought they were getting are (and remain true), I could definitely see them moving off of Meyers for the $4m and whatever asset they get in return. Particularly is Thornton and/or Nixon look like they're playable this year. Meyers has a couple of valuable skills, but he's also extremely limited (can't stretch the field, does nothing after the catch, and doesn't score TDs) for a high volume WR. Parker, Agholor, and Bourne are all more dynamic and Parker (and Bourne to a large extent) can pick up the move-the-chains, gotta have it 3rd&6 type routes Meyers was good at. The team likes Meyers (for good reason) but they may decide the cap savings are valuable and they have more dynamic options.

As for the Godchaux talk, BJ Hill got 3/$30m this offseason; I think that's the going rate for that level of DT. Hill offers more pass rush, but NE also uses their base DT/NT a little differently.
 

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That’s an insanely high $ guaranteed deal for someone of his limited talents. Haven’t been this disappointed ina signing in a long while. They aren’t contending in 2022 anyway so I don’t see the reward
Now this is a take.
Seriously, please explain why you think they aren't contending in 2022.