Has to be good news on the Cooper front. Can't be mad about the return especially with Butler and Ryan coming up. I feel good about any line coached by Scar this year will be no different.
He was considered a reach at this spot by a lot of folks who saw him as a third or fourth rounder, but in fairness, that stuff gets silly depending on the experts. He played at Utah and was a HS stud playing in the Cleveland area.
Kline is an interior OL who is a very good backup and serviceable spot starter. Not a guy who I would love out there for 16 games if you are trying to compete for a championship but you can do a lot worse. Will leave it to others to comment on his strengths / weaknesses in the passing and running game
He looked like a legit starter to me for the first half of the season in both the passing and running game and then he hurt his shoulder and wasn't quite the same again. He's been having shoulder problems this preseason and hasn't been playing as well--I'd be concerned that it's a chronic thing.
I guess we will have to make sure he passes the physical before we can even be sure this goes through?
Yes, he played 174 snaps on STs, about 1/3 of Philly's ST snaps: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/snapcounts
Doug Kyed @DougKyed 31m31 minutes ago
I think this is a blah trade unless it's a third and then he was good so even then.You may be able to turn the Rowe tattoo into a DeSean Jackson.
I know the offensive line was really banged up for the AFC championship game, but they were terrible run blocking and Kline gave up 12 hurries, Thuney has given up 2 in 91 pass attempts in the pre-season (via PFF). No matter what happens and who starts, they have to be better than last year.
Your consistent point about giving all of Chip's guys a blindfold and cigarette got my attention because this seems to be endemic with GMs HCs -- and it's stupid.
In truth this isn't really a punt on the season, it makes sense for us this year. Rowe was not a starter under Schwartz and may not have even been much more than a nickel corner. Why this is the case is a reasonable question, but a few folks touched on it; he does not have top end speed (on the film) and since his shoulder injury - and even before really, he didn't play tough in the same way that Browner did. He was also a rookie though, playing on a defense that was constantly on the field so there is good cause to think that he will improve.
Bad use of the word "just" on my part. I thought the punt occurred with the QB switch, cuz rookie QB.
Fernando might be better on the gridiron than on the mound. Small for an OL, though, no?
Butler is an RFA with a 3.5 million dollar first-round tender, they have plenty of leverage as things stand.
I saw this mentioned on the Eagles thread, but how often was Rowe given solo coverage and burned on #1s? And was this solo coverage against the NFC E rivals Giants (ODB) Cowboys (Dez)?
I would have to go back and look to be honest. The game that leaps to mind is his Thankgiving game against Calvin Johnson, which was a crime against coaching humanity. The Eagles gave him very little over the top help and needless to say, Megatron torched him. But let's be honest....that doesn't mean he is not a good corner (although on both TDs he made bad mistakes....got beat for speed on one and didn't outmuscle Johnson on the other).
Right, but sticking a rookie CB man to man on Megatron (or the NFCE #1s) with no safety help is all but asking for trouble. So I'm not sure I'd gauge him (and not saying you are) off of what may have been a DC fuck-up.
Weren't these same things said / written about Bradley Fletcher a year ago, or am I hallucinating? And he ended up sucking for the Pats. Not that Rowe is Fletcher.
Don't remember, but Fletcher was a vet, and IIRC among the army of CBs BB brought in to replace Revis and Browner.
Agreed. But don't try to talk yourself into the guy, just watch him play. Like I said a bit earlier, I think his ceiling is "solid starter" and his floor is probably "2-3 year nickel corner," and the floor isn't bad for a backup guard and a 3rd/4th rounder. He needs to be taught how to use his size better and he doesn't have top end closing speed, but he showed signs that he could be a decent player last season. He was fantastic in HS and college both.
Agreed.
With Harmon and Ryan's contracts both expiring after this year, we may well need a "solid starter". If Ryan plays like he did last year, he's gonna get paid. And while the Pats have leverage on Butler for another year, I doubt they will commit to both guys long term. So having Rowe locked up for 3 years at like a combined $2M or $2.5M helps protect that depth, assuming he can play.
This is the one I was thinking the most of. It was ridiculous they left him on an island Vs Megatron with what one game experience. Fucking joke. He didn't even play badly it was just stupid.
That was a great piece. Superb showing of what he did really well and some of the plays that made you want to blow your brains out.
that;s a cool breakdown.
