He's an inconsistent, often injured receiver with a high athletic ceiling. If Parker were great he would be getting first round compensation considering he makes 6 million a year playing an incredibly valuable position in today's NFL.
Patriots trade for DeVante Parker
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Solid move. Parker with an accurate QB, in a functional culture, will be a really good, productive player I think/hope. I take it this eliminates any possibility of Landry?
I like this move. Parker is still somehow only 29 so he should have some productive years remaining. Big target who can go get the ball.
Parker, Meyers, Bourne, Agholor is a solid group. No elite talent there but that’s 4 guys who are in their primes who have legitimate NFL resumes.
Parker, Meyers, Bourne, Agholor is a solid group. No elite talent there but that’s 4 guys who are in their primes who have legitimate NFL resumes.
I think Herbert over Tua sounds like revisionist history but at the time there was a vocal large chunk of people whether it be NFL draft Twitter or former NFL guys like Lombardi (I also wrote pre draft why I liked Herbert a lot in the Fins thread that year and how he was a safer option than Tua who I personally would avoid because of his injury history). I didn’t see Tua being this average and Herbert being this good. I don’t think anyone saw Herbert being this good even for those of us who really liked him. Bottom line though is that I don’t think it’s revisionist history to say they should have taken Herbert.
Edit: this is a preemptive response for anyone who might suggest Johnmd’s post is revisionist history.
I want this post on a tee shirt.
Miami is the most annoying franchise in the entire NFL in my opinion and it's not even close.
They haven't done a fucking thing in over 20 years except occasionally screw up the Patriots playoff seeding, but their fans hold onto that like grim death, whatever helps them sleep at night.............gee, do you get some sort of trophy for that, asking for a friend.
As pointed out, they haven't won ONE playoff game during the 2001-2019 Patriots 6 Super Bowl wins, 9 total trips, 13 AFCCG appearances run.
They were good back in the 1970's (they were the last team to go undefeated and win a Super Bowl just in case you haven't heard), got clobbered in both of their Super Bowl trips in the 1980's..............and that's all she wrote.
They are ants at a picnic; monumentally annoying is more like it.
Miami puts their players in a position to fail. When was the last time Miami had an epic player on offense? It literally could be Dan Marino. We're talking 25 years of nonsense.
He'll be very consistent and will perform in NE. This is a great pickup, especially considering the price.
edit - the best thing the Miami Dolphins have produced in the last twenty years is a phenomenal troll on SoSH. Apex Mountain for the Dolphins? A troll.
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Right. At this point it's pretty much a lock they will be getting a 3rd for JCJ leaving. Plus, I think there is a very good possibility Mayo leaves for a top job which would give them 3rd round comps in both 2023 and 2024.
Fits in the trend of Belichick valuing a player from afar (not the clear stud that everyone values, but the level or two below who do some things he finds invaluable), says as much during matchups, then deals for them later. Welker worked. Ochocinco did not.
There are many examples... but can't decide if a majority have worked out.
There are many examples... but can't decide if a majority have worked out.
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Miami coached DeVante’s hamstrings to be tight. I’m sure in his eighth season, he will suddenly discover both health and consistency.
My assumption is based upon the fact that Tua isn't Mahomes. In fact, they aren't in the same galaxy. And Hill will find it odd and frustrating when the ball isn't going to where he normally has been receiving it for the last 5 years. And as Hill loses a step and isn't producing on a losing team, he will become a problem.
It's going to be fun.
Maybe Miami will win a playoff game before 2050. It's something to shoot for. And what is the point of life if you can't have hope?
And to add some substance, I mentioned this earlier but I'll say it again. Miami hasn't had a great offensive player in 20 years. Do you know how hard that is to do? Do you know how many great players the NFL has produced in the last two decades. 100s of them.
Miami has had a total of 0 great players in twenty years. You seem confident this record of failure will somehow just flip itself around. I appreciate your confidence. But it's based on ether. There is only one team worse in the NFL over the past 30 years and it's the Detroit Lions. But somehow, Miami fans act like they are a consistently great team.
They are consistent. At being bad.
Tua’s best trait is accuracy. Where exactly is Mahomes putting the ball that only he can access?
I also agree that it will be fun watching Malcom Butler cover Tyreek Hill.
I got to give sodenj5 real credit here. Nobody and I mean nobody has been more confident in a team that has won nothing on this messsage board. At some point, you just got to respect it. I fully expect the Dolphins to have a pretty good year and likely make the playoffs but I think winning a game will prove to be more difficult with this field in the AFC.
To the trade, it’s a good trade for both teams. Fills a serious needs for Patriots and gives Miami some draft capital for a repetitive asset.
To the trade, it’s a good trade for both teams. Fills a serious needs for Patriots and gives Miami some draft capital for a repetitive asset.
The injury thing with Parker seems to be overblown to me. Here's his games played since he's been in the league: 14, 15, 13, 11, 16, 14, 10. That's 93 of a possible 113 regular season games or 82.3%.
Waiting to see Parker’s take on Thanksgiving sides.
Parker is not a WR1, but he generally tormented the Pats, so that alone makes it worth it.The cost of Parker, the draft trade is almost neutral ... this is great.
Reggie Bush and Brandon Marshall at the same time in 2011 were ok (Daboll) but the team overall (defense) stunk
Lol. So now Tua is in the same league as Mahomes?
Tremendous work. As Helmet Head said, you just have to respect your confidence.
Parker’s a good player not a great player. Moving back ~70 picks in a draft where they should have a comp pick is a reasonable price. He’s a Meyers or better level receiver which is what I wanted them to do, happy with this trade.
Everyone should have a hobby.
In a conference with Buffalo, Cincinnati, Baltimore, Cleveland, Tennessee, Indy, LA, KC, Oakland, Denver, where exactly to you see Miami making the playoffs with that deck stacked against them? Three of those teams made major upgrades at the QB position, the others are legit playoff teams ahead of Miami.
Parker was definitely a #1 receiver for the 1 year pre Tua....72/1202/9. Their next leading receivers that year were Gesicki (570), Preston Williams (428), Allen Hurns (416), & Albert Wilson (351).
Paying him 2/$12.3m with nothing guaranteed to try to regain that form seems like a nice upside play, even if I don't agree with the discounting the 3rd to a 4th thing - although I'm hoping BB trades the 5th this year for a 4th next year for funsies. Also hope we're trading our latest 3rd, which would be the comp pick if granted (it will be granted) & their own pick if not.
Wonder if BB texted Flores to ask him about Parker.
Paying him 2/$12.3m with nothing guaranteed to try to regain that form seems like a nice upside play, even if I don't agree with the discounting the 3rd to a 4th thing - although I'm hoping BB trades the 5th this year for a 4th next year for funsies. Also hope we're trading our latest 3rd, which would be the comp pick if granted (it will be granted) & their own pick if not.
Wonder if BB texted Flores to ask him about Parker.
& I wonder what Daboll's response was.
The Lions have had some awesome players. But they also have the longest playoff win drought in the NFL. 30 years. Miami is 22 years. But Miami has not had a great playoff on offense for decades.
Miami is awesome, their record of failure is literally old enough to drink and their fans are like, "This team is great, I love it," because some old, sad fossils pathetically pop some champagne every season when every team has 1 loss.
Miami's legacy is a woeful champagne ceremony of sadness.
It’s so cute though that every two years they get some bigger name in free agency or trades and the fans explain how great they are and the acquisitions never ever ever work but are psyched for the next one—Tyreel Hill will be great and pay no attention to Byron Jones Van Noy, Reshard Jones, etc
They win every off-season!! It's not fair! Every year is their year . . . until late October! For the past 30++ fucking years!
But in all seriousness. . .
. . . this year is their year. THIS IS IT!
Chris Chambers is the best Miami WR of the last 20 years. He has one thousand yard season. One. In 2005. Lol.
Their best RB of the last 20 years had his best season in 2002. Since then, it's mostly been scrubs and has beens. Lets not even talk about the QBs. They are worse than the Jaguars in that department.
Miami absolutely sucks. They have been a failing organization. They don't make the playoffs. On the off chance they do make it, probably once a decade, they lose. They don't reach the AFC Championship game, ever. They certainly haven't been within a billion miles of the SB since the mid 80s.
But for some reason, their fans act like they are the Rams, always involved, well run, and a Super Bowl contender. It could be the douches popping the champagne that gives the fans confidence.
Like, for example, my wife is from Cleveland. Her mom was a HUMONGOUS Browns fan. We would love to see them do well. But we all know the Browns suck and are a joke. There is no delusion. There is reality. With Miami, their fans are stuck in the 70s with Larry Csonka and Paul Warfield.
Oops.
I think this move is OK, and I generally like Lazar, but this argument is stupid. It's not "basically getting Parker for free." It's getting him (and a fifth) for a 2023 3rd round pick.
The only thing that Miami has is ancient history. When you're picking out your kids' Halloween costumes 6 months from now, their season will effectively be over and their fans will be gushing about how stacked they are for 2023 draft picks.
I’m a bit disappointed you haven’t worked in a reference about the Dolphins sucking longer than Mercury Morris’ cocaine trafficking jail sentence.
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Lazar takes the film study aspect seriously so I won't mock him, but the next Pats move he's not enthusiastic about will be the first.
Parker is a good receiver (he’s absolutely not great, let’s calm down with that). He’s on a good contract and they didn’t give up much, so it’s tough not to like the trade.
If Parker can stay healthy it’s a definite win for the Patriots. The only people that will be disappointed are the ones who think that he’s great
If Parker can stay healthy it’s a definite win for the Patriots. The only people that will be disappointed are the ones who think that he’s great
Fuck him. I gave Warfield the nod because he was in a football video game in the 80s on the Commodore 64 and he was phenomenal. He caught every single bomb. The best thing Miami has is a player from the 70s, 50 years ago, who was great in a video game 40 years ago.
In summary, the Dolphins absolutely suuuuuuck. And they have fans who before last season said with a straight face, after the 2020 season, "I still would rather have Tua than Herbert."
yeah, it's bizaare, it's not like they only get the comp pick if they make the trade, the comp pick has no relation.
I still remember @sodenj5 and company talking themselves into Joe Philbin as a good coach like it was yesterday. They were so hyped for the Mike Wallace, Dannell Ellerbe and Philip Wheeler signings. I lived in Miami at the time so the inevitable failure of every big free agent signing was extra sweet.
Very nice trade. Parker can easily be their best receiver this year and he’s got a salary cap friendly deal.
I'm on board. I have moderate expectations but an upgrade on Harry if nothing else.
Is it a little odd given the $ WR got on the market and this "cap friendly deal", that Miami could get so little? I can't imagine they were dying to trade him in the division so this must have been clearly the best offer.
I wouldn't have expected a significant return either, but his deal seems to have fairly decent positive value given the current market.
Is it a little odd given the $ WR got on the market and this "cap friendly deal", that Miami could get so little? I can't imagine they were dying to trade him in the division so this must have been clearly the best offer.
I wouldn't have expected a significant return either, but his deal seems to have fairly decent positive value given the current market.
Parker is another quality WR. He's not Kupp or Diggs but he's good. It's always nice adding good players to your team, especially at a position of need. And especially when the price isn't too steep. Nothing wrong with this deal at all.
They can roll the dice on a later round pick at WR but basically a WR corps of Parker/Bourne/Agholor/Meyers with Henry and Smith at TE, and White as the receiving RB, is a pretty nice group.
They can roll the dice on a later round pick at WR but basically a WR corps of Parker/Bourne/Agholor/Meyers with Henry and Smith at TE, and White as the receiving RB, is a pretty nice group.
Let’s not forget the division is wide open when Brady was 32.
This is one of my favorite subjects on this site, should probably be a separate thread.
I like Parker a lot for this price. He's a #2/3 WR, but he also does things our current WRs don't.
The Patriots currently have 4 #2/3 WRs, but now they kind of fill the roles. Parker is the big boundary guy, he frees up Agholor to be the deep threat, and Bourne/Myers will probably work more slot and underneath.
The Patriots currently have 4 #2/3 WRs, but now they kind of fill the roles. Parker is the big boundary guy, he frees up Agholor to be the deep threat, and Bourne/Myers will probably work more slot and underneath.
I like Meyers, he's the guy who comes in when one of your top 3 receivers inevitably get hurt, and can fill that role. But, Parker takes morning shits that have more receiving talent than Meyers.
Parker is the real deal when given the opportunity to flourish. My only concern about Parker is whether the Pats coaching staff gives him that opportunity, or does he just end up as a decoy on the outside, a 3rd or 4th read after the tight ends, backs, and slot receivers, that Mac only gets to about 2-3x's per game. His contract makes that perfectly fine, and I could give two shits about a 3rd round pick in 2023, but I believe very much that Parker is a legit #2 NFL wide receiver, and if he played with a guy like Mahomes or Herbert, he could even be a low end #1. The Pats, and whoever is calling the plays this year, need to get him involved. We'll see if that happens. I think they failed to get Jonnu Smith involved last year, and I think it took way too long for them to recognize what they had in Bourne. I hope they figure shit out quicker with Parker.
The move makes sense for both teams, on almost every level, IMO.
In fairness, most of us are talking ourselves into Davante Parker and a positionless secondary with Jalen Mills and the ghost of Malcolm Butler. Without unrealistic expectations, being a fan isn’t as much fun.