There’s only one ball to go around. If Jonnu suddenly became an 80 catch guy, that means that other players are going to lose catches, and we’d call THEM disappointments.
Patriots trade for DeVante Parker
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Yeah I think with Jonnu if he’s your H-back it makes me wonder like with what SuperNomario said… who is your in-line? Maybe Asiasi or Keene is the in-line? Or Asiasi and Keene would be the FB.
edit: is that… good? I think training camp is going to show us what happens. They could also draft or sign a UDFA or maybe a vet minimum guy later in camp.
edit: is that… good? I think training camp is going to show us what happens. They could also draft or sign a UDFA or maybe a vet minimum guy later in camp.
Here's Albert Breer, on why the Patriots made the deal:
1. It’s a pick swap, with the Patriots moving a single selection down two rounds, with the one going out being a 2023 pick (giving Bill Belichick and Matt Groh a year to recoup the selection). Me? I’d hate to give up a top 100 pick like this, and think it’s hard to turn a fifth-rounder into a real player. But Belichick’s got a long history at looking at his war chest of picks in volume, and this trade doesn’t hurt him there.
2. Parker’s cheap. He’ll cost $6.25 million this year and $6.3 million next year, with $1 million of that coming in roster bonuses, and $200,000 in workout bonuses (with an extra $1.5 million available in incentives each year).
3. Parker has experience in the Patriots’ system and program, having played for Brian Flores the last three years. And in the closest facsimile to the New England offense he was a part of, under then-coordinator Chad O’Shea in 2019, he had by far the best year of his career (72 catches, 1,202 yards, nine TDs, with 58 of his 72 catches going for first downs).
4. Parker has been excellent against the Patriots. Three of the 11 100-yard games he’s had over his seven-year career came against Belichick. And Belichick’s always lusted for players who’ve burned him (another ex-Dolphin, Wes Welker, might be the best example of it).
5. The Patriots had clear needs at receiver, on the offensive line, at linebacker and corner. This, at the very least, makes one of those less pressing, which gives the team flexibility going into the draft.
So what is New England getting? “He offers size, length, athletic ability and catch radius on the perimeter,” said one veteran AFC exec, echoing what others told me. “He’s a bigger target, and can be a starter, but as 2, not a 1.” The biggest question will be whether the Patriots can keep healthy—because that’s been a constant problem for Parker. If they can, then this is a nice piece for Mac Jones.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/04/05/maqb-eagles-saints-draft-picks-trade-howie-roseman
1. It’s a pick swap, with the Patriots moving a single selection down two rounds, with the one going out being a 2023 pick (giving Bill Belichick and Matt Groh a year to recoup the selection). Me? I’d hate to give up a top 100 pick like this, and think it’s hard to turn a fifth-rounder into a real player. But Belichick’s got a long history at looking at his war chest of picks in volume, and this trade doesn’t hurt him there.
2. Parker’s cheap. He’ll cost $6.25 million this year and $6.3 million next year, with $1 million of that coming in roster bonuses, and $200,000 in workout bonuses (with an extra $1.5 million available in incentives each year).
3. Parker has experience in the Patriots’ system and program, having played for Brian Flores the last three years. And in the closest facsimile to the New England offense he was a part of, under then-coordinator Chad O’Shea in 2019, he had by far the best year of his career (72 catches, 1,202 yards, nine TDs, with 58 of his 72 catches going for first downs).
4. Parker has been excellent against the Patriots. Three of the 11 100-yard games he’s had over his seven-year career came against Belichick. And Belichick’s always lusted for players who’ve burned him (another ex-Dolphin, Wes Welker, might be the best example of it).
5. The Patriots had clear needs at receiver, on the offensive line, at linebacker and corner. This, at the very least, makes one of those less pressing, which gives the team flexibility going into the draft.
So what is New England getting? “He offers size, length, athletic ability and catch radius on the perimeter,” said one veteran AFC exec, echoing what others told me. “He’s a bigger target, and can be a starter, but as 2, not a 1.” The biggest question will be whether the Patriots can keep healthy—because that’s been a constant problem for Parker. If they can, then this is a nice piece for Mac Jones.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/04/05/maqb-eagles-saints-draft-picks-trade-howie-roseman
I was wondering about this just out of curiosity, so I looked at 2010-2020 to see how the Patriots did in the 5th.
Notable takeaway... we trade out of the 5th lot... only had a 5th in 6 of 11 drafts (7 picks overall).
Of those 7 guys....
1 played zero plays for the Patriots (Rohrwasser in 2020)
The remaining 6 guys have played 403 games to date in the NFL.
Cowart didn't really go anywhere, but hypothetically could be back.
Zoltan Mesko was the starting punter for a while.
Jake Bailey is the punter now.
Cardona long time longsnapper.
Ja'Whaun Bentley, starting ILB for several years
Marcus Cannon, swing to starting tackle.
I'd say Bill focuses on ST more than anything in the 5th, but also got 2 starting caliber players elsewhere, only 1 bust. Rest of the time he traded out.
I still don't quite understand why pros covering the team still refer to receivers as a 1 or a 2, like it's fantasy football. It doesn't seem that hard to say whether you think that the guy is an X or a Z or whatever. That has a lot more relevance.
I think the "1/2" designation is used a lot more to convey quality than the position they'll play specifically.
Agreed. It’s similar to saying a pitcher is a good #2 starter — it sounds like it’s conveying meaningful information, but it isn’t because we don’t agree on the definition of a “good #2 starter.”
On the other hand, if you described a player as a “top 30 WR,” that’s very clear. But it also implies analysis, and might prompt someone to ask you to show your work, so someone making an off-the-cuff remark is more likely to say “#1 WR.”
I think it’s a bit like starting pitchers, as it’s about matchups.
Can your #1 WR beat their #1 CB? Can 2 beat 2? And so on.
In that case, X/Z are more clear designations, because not all "#1 WRs" or "#1 CBs" play the same position. Edelman was our top receiver for years, but rarely matched up on top corners because top corners tend to play outside and Edelman largely played inside.
My bad--my post was more about how Parker impacts Harry and how if we gain an asset for Harry because of it, that should factor into how we view the deal.
Absolutely and it spawned an interesting topic so it makes sense to split it out.
There are certainly factors in the Parker trade that will affect Harry and his value, etc.
There are certainly factors in the Parker trade that will affect Harry and his value, etc.