Patriots sign RB Travaris Cadet

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Source: the Patriots have signed former Saints RB Travaris Cadet.

https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/577940009476583424
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They watched the tape of Pierre Thomas and this guy caught the eye?  There's not a lot out there about him, but this article talks about his journey from high-school QB through 3 colleges.  This article out of New Orleans talks about Cadet as a possible replacement for Sprowles, so they must have viewed him as a shifty passing-back type.
 

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He has decent size at 6'1 210 and caught 38 balls for just under 300 years last year.  From memory, he seems to have some nice moves.  Still, not the Saints RB I was hoping for.
 

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3 lost fumbles on 56 career touches. Gonna want to clean that up.
 

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I've seen his speed quoted everywhere from 4.4 to 4.6 in the 40.  He played QB, RB, WR, and returner in college.
 

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Watched him all season and he has a lot of upside in the pass-catching role.  Very surprised to see the Saints let him go.  Saints never really wanted to make him a feature back when Ingram and Thomas both went down though, preferring Khiry Robinson. 
 
Decent and probably cheap option for the Pats.  I can see why they would take him over Thomas ($$) if they are looking exclusively for a Vereen replacement this season, as he could become more of an all-purpose back over time.  Fun player to watch.
 

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I like the approach. IMO, makes much more sense to me given team needs/cap then going up market to sign Bush would have.   Maybe find another guy in this tier to compete with White and Cadet and camp or add a draft pick and think they are good at RB.
 

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So we found a third down back who got 40 passes in a complex offense and we probably paid him next to nothing? This is why evaluating these things is so difficult for all of us amateurs-there are 1500 guys in the league and it's just fucking impossible to know all of them.  
 

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If you thought Vereen's usage was predictable (as a receiving back), Cadet has 11 career rushing attempts versus 221 pass plays (and 8 times left in pass protection). Vereen was at about five pass plays for every running play last year.
 
Despite being 35th in total snaps in route, Cadet finished 21st in receiving yards and 17th in receptions among running backs last season per Pro Football Focus. Pretty productive / efficient. Just not much of a track record in pass protection / picking up blitzes according to their numbers, which is obviously pivotal for that receiving back / third down role.
 

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He was a nontendered RFA, right?
 
Anyone who was of the impression that the Patriots are not working the compensatory pick system very very hard should be disabused of that notion at this point -- according to this retweet from Miguel, signings of nontendered RFAs don't cancel out comp picks.
 
https://twitter.com/PP_Rich_Hill/status/577953342997024768
 

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Wow, a few thoughts on Cadet in that YouTube video:

1) great hands, that guy didn't drop one pass!!!!

But seriously, folks...

2) quick for his size
3) catches the ball pretty smoothly and doesn't shy away from contact, receiving or running
4) looks big enough to make you think he COULD be good in pass protect, although the nature of the video - his receiving highlights - doesn't allow for any examples of staying in to block
5) #39 is available!

Edit because apparently autocorrect thinks "good" isn't a word and decided to switch it to something with a silent fucking L in it.
 

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Probably not a big factor, but worth mentioning the Patriots and Saints had joint training camp practices in 2012, Cadet's rookie year. He was impressive that preseason.
 

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Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt said:
Wow, a few thoughts on Cadet in that YouTube video:

1) great hands, that guy didn't drop one pass!!!!

But seriously, folks...

2) quick for his size
3) catches the ball pretty smoothly and doesn't shy away from contact, receiving or running
4) looks big enough to make you think he COULD be good in pass protect, although the nature of the video - his receiving highlights - doesn't allow for any examples of staying in to block
5) #39 is available!

Edit because apparently autocorrect thinks "good" isn't a word and decided to switch it to something with a silent fucking L in it.
 
To add to this, it looks like he can run "receiver routes" similar to what Vereen (and Faulk before him) did. Which makes sense given his background. Very important attribute for the Patriots.
 

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Have to agree with Mugsy - he definitely doesn't shy away from contact.  It's impressive how quickly he gets going straight up the field.
 
I thought 6'1" was unusual for a RB and found it was the case - at least according to a 2013 article on BSports.com(?).  In fact, if the article is to be believed, it's very unusual for a receiving back to be so tall as the average height in 2012 was 5'9" and dropping.  Leave it to BB to go against the grain.  That size - along with wingspan - should be a terrific target for Brady and make it easier to get the ball up over a DL on a screen.  Didn't know a thing about Cadet until a couple of hours ago, but now I'm excited and that video was great.  Only knock seems to be fumbles (which is admittedly a big knock).  Does anyone know if the fumbles are trending down or up?
 
Interestingly, among HOF RB's, Csonka and Dickerson were the tallest at 6'3" - that's amazing considering how often they're trying to get their pads down under the tackler.
 
https://www.bsports.com/statsinsights/nfl/why-have-nfl-running-backs-gotten-shorter-a-statistical-investigation#.VQkR896CXww
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3) catches the ball pretty smoothly and doesn't shy away from contact, receiving or running
 

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I like what I see and love this time of year where BB signs guys I never knew existed. I see more WR skills there than RB skills. His few upfield routes were impressive. Good cuts, good hooks, came back to the ball, caught some in traffic, etc. Goes N-S once he gets the ball.
 
I think the value here is putting him in the backfield, hope to get a heavy box and then motioning into 4-5 receiver sets. He's going to abuse non-corners trying to stay with him. I like what I see. 
 
On an unrelated note, is Windex an acceptable cleaner for a sticky keys on a laptop? Just asking.
 

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Anyone catch that route he ran at the 1:06 mark?  That's an Edelman-esque Super Bowl winning inside out route for a TD. 
 
Cadet looks like he's got really good hands. He only had 1 drop to go along with 38 catches last year, so that matches up with what's on tape. I also like that he gets the ball and gets upfield. He doesn't do much dancing in those highlights. Get it and go. He also seems to have a good feel for the screen game, from good timing coming out of the backfield to reading his blocks once he's got the ball, I was impressed. He also looks to have no problem lining up as a receiver, something the Pats can use to create mismatches depending on the matchup.
 
Running the ball left more to be desired, although I'm sure he won't be asked to do that much. But for being 6'1, 210, he doesn't seem to be very strong. Didn't break tackles or get much YAC in those clips. 

Seems to be a nice option in the passing game. Match him up against LB's and he'll get open all day. Not bad for someone who wasn't being talked about very much in these parts prior to the signing. 
 

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ElcaballitoMVP said:
Anyone catch that route he ran at the 1:06 mark?  That's an Edelman-esque Super Bowl winning inside out route for a TD. 
 
Cadet looks like he's got really good hands. He only had 1 drop to go along with 38 catches last year, so that matches up with what's on tape. I also like that he gets the ball and gets upfield. He doesn't do much dancing in those highlights. Get it and go. He also seems to have a good feel for the screen game, from good timing coming out of the backfield to reading his blocks once he's got the ball, I was impressed. He also looks to have no problem lining up as a receiver, something the Pats can use to create mismatches depending on the matchup.
 
Running the ball left more to be desired, although I'm sure he won't be asked to do that much. But for being 6'1, 210, he doesn't seem to be very strong. Didn't break tackles or get much YAC in those clips. 
Seems to be a nice option in the passing game. Match him up against LB's and he'll get open all day. Not bad for someone who wasn't being talked about very much in these parts prior to the signing. 
 
I did, that was nice. I also noticed he does a very good job of giving Brees a good look on his release routes. I know its seems like a minor point. But how many times have you seen a RB go into a pattern, the turn to show the QB his numbers and there are 2 lineman in between. Cadet does a good job of getting to a spot where Brees has a clean outlet path to get him the ball and it enables him to catch it moving directly downfield. Small point, but it happened so many times in that vid, I though it was worth a mention.
 

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PaulinMyrBch said:
I like what I see and love this time of year where BB signs guys I never knew existed. I see more WR skills there than RB skills. His few upfield routes were impressive. Good cuts, good hooks, came back to the ball, caught some in traffic, etc. Goes N-S once he gets the ball.
 
I think the value here is putting him in the backfield, hope to get a heavy box and then motioning into 4-5 receiver sets. He's going to abuse non-corners trying to stay with him. I like what I see. 
 
On an unrelated note, is Windex an acceptable cleaner for a sticky keys on a laptop? Just asking.
Agree with mounting consensus, liking the way Cadet doesn't screw around when he gets the ball, aka do a Maroney. He heads straight upfield with really nice acceleration. 
 
Windex is a good electrical conductor and can therefore easily short out your keyboard. Definitely do not use it. Maybe alcohol but it doesn't come in spray form, does it? Do those duster products that some kids inhale dissolve sticky stuff? I don't know. 
 

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I like this pickup a lot.  If it weren't for his fumbling issues, I'd love it, which is really strange for a guy with above-average to great hands.  He always falls forward, but sometimes, I think he does so at the detriment of making guys miss.  He doesn't shy away from contact, but he also doesn't look to make guys miss much either, as a result, you see him tackled at the hips from defenders coming in from the sides quite a bit.  And his vision isn't going to make anyone forget Danny Woodhead, but he does a lot of things well.  He runs good routes, the aforementioned hands and falling forward, and his size and athleticism creates matchup problems that someone smaller/quicker might not be able to.  I think you can't really judge his pass protection skills all that much because I'm not sure he was ever asked to do it in New Orleans, at least not enough to render any sort of real judgment.
 
He's also got quite a bit of experience returning kicks from his time at Appalachian State.  Based on my unofficial stats (I may have missed a box score here or there at the time), I count 58 kick returns for 1365 yards and 24 punt returns for 162 yards.  Again, surprising to see a guy with that many returns over a two year period struggle to hang onto the ball, but hopefully, those were more fluky/small sample size than something that will continue going forward.  What we do know is that a couple of fumbles here could result in him not seeing the field at all, and thus, make this signing irrelevant in the end. 
 
Time will tell, but I don't see how this kind of signing hurts us at all.  Nothing but upside, IMO. 
 

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Seems like he is effective in space but can he pass block? If the answer is no it probably won't take long for teams to realize they just need to treat him like a slot receiver.
 

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Hard to say, he hasn't done it.  Vereen pass blocked less than almost every other running back in the league and lined up on the line of scrimmage a lot, so it might not be a big part of his role here.
 

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DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
Wow -- that's really modest.  Really small cap addition -- about $240,000.  
Seems like a low risk/ high upside signing regardless but how is the cap hit only $240k if his salary is $660k?
Do you mean at this moment the hit is only 240k? I don't see how the hit is possibly that low if he is on the roster for first game this season.
I'd take a chance at 1m cap hit so not complaining, just trying to figure out the math.
 

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j44thor said:
Seems like a low risk/ high upside signing regardless but how is the cap hit only $240k if his salary is $660k?
Do you mean at this moment the hit is only 240k? I don't see how the hit is possibly that low if he is on the roster for first game this season.
I'd take a chance at 1m cap hit so not complaining, just trying to figure out the math.
 
Sorry, should have been more clear.  His contract for 2015 is $660,000 base plus $50,000 roster bonus.  He also got a $65,000 signing bonus, half of which goes to the 2015 cap.  So, cap hit for 2015 is $742,500.  
 
The cap is for the top 51 players, so when he got signed, he bumped a guy off the list at league minimum ($510,000), so he only decreased the Patriots' net cap space by $232,500.  If he's good, they keep him next year for about $1 million, and if he's not, they cut him and take a 2016 cap charge of $37,500.  So, very very low risk.
 
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Or, in the spirit of a third way, I'd split the difference and suggest that their presence/potential on the roster contributed to moments when they decided to opt for another position, as opposed to a 3rd down back they might otherwise have been leaning toward bringing into the mix.