Patriots select LSU G Chasen Hines at 210

Ale Xander

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By far my favorite pick
Top guard in his (State of) Texas HS class yet recruited initially for defense. Smart kid, can also play center. Great feet too. Going to be a great pull guard and probably will play ST too. Great Karras replacement
Not sure why he went this low honestly
 
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If he, Strange and Owenu can shore up the interior line, that’s a win. But if he does hit that also proves the theory that they could have done something else in RD1.
 

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If he, Strange and Owenu can shore up the interior line, that’s a win. But if he does hit that also proves the theory that they could have done something else in RD1.
I think they put a big difference in value between their mobile LG & their road grader RG.
 

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I think they put a big difference in value between their mobile LG & their road grader RG.
yeah certainly seems like they think that LG/LT are premium positions... Mankins was a 1st, Thuney a 3rd, now another 1st.
Same with LT: basically 1sts and one 2nd.

RT and RG are where they are more willing to grab a big bodied guy mid to late and see what they can do with him.
 

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I might have mentioned this elsewhere but I loved Chasen. Out of the 82 big boards that go into the consensus big board I was third highest on Chasen.

He was 128th on my board and he overlaps a ton with Onwenu. He can also play center.

This is my write up on Chase Hines. Great fit.
 

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Gap exchange is when the defensive line shifts before the snap and you now have to readjust who you take.
 

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I was thinking earlier about offensive line and why guys like Onwenu and Chasen Hines fall in drafts. These days so many teams are using wide zone or at least run a mixed zone scheme and work in wide zone that guards who ooze power like Onwenu and Chasen fall. Onwenu and Chasen weren't known for their lateral agility. Onwenu and Chasen were fits for guys who run a lot of duo or gap/power. So for like 5-8 teams they are looking at different types of OGs than the rest of the league. The Patriots have typically gone with athletic versatile guards for their LG, athletic LTs, centers who are also smaller/more-athletic, and then traditionally have had better run blockers and more powerful guys on the right side of their line.

Hines to me is a backup with the chance of being a starter in a gap/power or duo scheme (RG for the Pats). He can also play center. If you look at Lance Z's grade for Chasen he's in the early day 3 range but his projected draft spot is the 6th round. Why? Because the supply is greater than the demand for guards like Chasen. So for teams like the Patriots I think they might have better marginal luck developing later round OL than other teams because they guys they want for their system are better quality prospects by round 4-5-6-7.

This is also the problem with generalized big boards. A guy like Chasen Hines will be off teams boards who run primarily zone stuff but for teams who run gap/power would be a day 3 kind of evaluation. If you run a generalized board and are trying to figure out the overall draft order vs figuring out what guys can do for different schemes your board imo is not helpful after rounds 1-2 when the more high-talent scheme-diverse guys go. Generalized big boards just don't move the needle for me when discussing guys who would be very good in certain schemes but not for others.
 

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I was thinking earlier about offensive line and why guys like Onwenu and Chasen Hines fall in drafts. These days so many teams are using wide zone or at least run a mixed zone scheme and work in wide zone that guards who ooze power like Onwenu and Chasen fall. Onwenu and Chasen weren't known for their lateral agility. Onwenu and Chasen were fits for guys who run a lot of duo or gap/power. So for like 5-8 teams they are looking at different types of OGs than the rest of the league. The Patriots have typically gone with athletic versatile guards for their LG, athletic LTs, centers who are also smaller/more-athletic, and then traditionally have had better run blockers and more powerful guys on the right side of their line.

Hines to me is a backup with the chance of being a starter in a gap/power or duo scheme (RG for the Pats). He can also play center. If you look at Lance Z's grade for Chasen he's in the early day 3 range but his projected draft spot is the 6th round. Why? Because the supply is greater than the demand for guards like Chasen. So for teams like the Patriots I think they might have better marginal luck developing later round OL than other teams because they guys they want for their system are better quality prospects by round 4-5-6-7.

This is also the problem with generalized big boards. A guy like Chasen Hines will be off teams boards who run primarily zone stuff but for teams who run gap/power would be a day 3 kind of evaluation. If you run a generalized board and are trying to figure out the overall draft order vs figuring out what guys can do for different schemes your board imo is not helpful after rounds 1-2 when the more high-talent scheme-diverse guys go. Generalized big boards just don't move the needle for me when discussing guys who would be very good in certain schemes but not for others.
Thanks for this, @SMU_Sox - around draft time, it's nice to hear your thoughts, to counterbalance the relentless hot takes!