Patricia to Rejoin Staff

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This reads a lot like McDaniels’ tenure in Denver: trying to be a hardass taskmaster like Bill at the jump without the credibility. Tho it seems he might have modulated his approach over his three seasons there.
IIRC, Holley describes Belichick doing the same thing in Cleveland - walking in the building and acting like Parcells without any of the reputation or bonafides to back it up. Obviously, Bill recovered from that rocky start and did good work with the Browns, but it speaks to how hard it can be to define yourself as a first time head coach. You want to emulate what you have seen be successful, even force yourself into it a bit, because there is so much on the line. Having the organizational support and time to work through that shit is important.
 
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Is this true? I got the impression BB was heavily involved with weekly prep, but that it was Patricias show during the game (for the most part). Do you have a source for that?
My understanding from people inside the building - but also from myriad episodes of Patriots Unfiltered - is that this is how it's always been run generally. That, yes, the D.C. may choose the plays that he and others on the staff have curated for the game plan during the week of prep, but that BB has plenty of input by dint of his involvement in selecting those plays, and how situationally aggressive the approach is in calling them during games. I've heard that while the D.C. calls the plays, and there's some level of Belichick letting it be Patricia's (or whomever's) "show," BB has a strong hand in what those calls can be, and at times ARE, in the moment. The idea that Patricia unilaterally chose to coach more passively strikes me as really overstating things. If it happens, Belichick supports it. That's why I feel it's a bit shortsighted to pin things on Patricia that require the endorsement of Belichick. BB gets the credit for the good - as well he should - but he should share the blame for the bad and the ugly, too.

And, as others have posted, if Belichick thinks Patricia can be a value-add, I'm all in.

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IIRC, Holley describes Belichick doing the same thing in Cleveland - walking in the building and acting like Parcells without any of the reputation or bonafides to back it up. Obviously, Bill recovered from that rocky start and did good work with the Browns, but it speaks to how hard it can be to define yourself as a first time head coach. You want to emulate what you have seen be successful, even force yourself into it a bit, because there is so much on the line. Having the organizational support and time to work through that shit is important.
I actually had this written out in an earlier draft of my post and deleted it for some reason. But I completely agree about your point with Bill doing the same thing in Cleveland.
 

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My understanding from people inside the building - but also from myriad episodes of Patriots Unfiltered - is that this is how it's always been run generally. That, yes, the D.C. may choose the plays that he and others on the staff have curated for the game plan during the week of prep, but that BB has plenty of input by dint of his involvement in selecting those plays, and how situationally aggressive the approach is in calling them during games. I've heard that while the D.C. calls the plays, and there's some level of Belichick letting it be Patricia's (or whomever's) "show," BB has a strong hand in what those calls can be, and at times ARE, in the moment. The idea that Patricia unilaterally chose to coach more passively strikes me as really overstating things. If it happens, Belichick supports it. That's why I feel it's a bit shortsighted to pin things on Patricia that require the endorsement of Belichick. BB gets the credit for the good - as well he should - but he should share the blame for the bad and the ugly, too.

And, as others have posted, if Belichick thinks Patricia can be a value-add, I'm all in.

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Alright, man. So, I'm just going to say that until I actually have some kind of proof other than Patriots produced videos you watched, I'm going to keep assuming what we heard re: coaches calling plays is true. I mean, even in your rebuttal you agreed that Patricia was primarily calling plays. I seriously doubt that BB is micromanaging the defensive calls during the prep down to the yardage, field position, and down. That's literally just a huge waste of everyones time, and hes better off not having a DC there to spend hours micromanaging.
 
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Alright, man. So, I'm just going to say that until I actually have some kind of proof other than Patriots produced videos you watched, I'm going to keep assuming what we heard re: coaches calling plays is true. I mean, even in your rebuttal you agreed that Patricia was primarily calling plays. I seriously doubt that BB is micromanaging the defensive calls during the prep down to the yardage, field position, and down. That's literally just a huge waste of everyones time, and hes better off not having a DC there to spend hours micromanaging.
I never said or even implied that Belichick micromanaged. I said he doesn’t escape culpability for his defense being too aggressive or not aggressive enough - and he doesn’t just let his DC’s call whatever they feel like, in terms of prep or in-game adjustments. The idea that the D in 2017 was too passive simply because Patricia made it so, and somehow BB’s hands were tied, or that he had nothing to do with it, is pretty short sighted, in my view.