Patrice Bergeron: Selke Smooth?

kenneycb

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Bergeron voted a finalist for the Selke along with Kopitar and Toews.  Surprised a west coast guy got into this given you actually have to watch games to make a decent selection.
 

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Maybe I'm just a victim of the aforementioned "need to watch the games" bias, but I've never thought of Kopitar as superior defensively.  The advanced stats point towards him being pretty good, though.  5v5 at 6% Relative Corsi and 6.2% Relative Fenwick put him in the top 20 and by straight CF% and FF% he is second in the league behind Bergeron.  Plays lots of shorthanded time as a percentage of his team's total; not as much as Bergeron, though more than Toews.  
 
Perhaps advanced stats are where the nomination came from?
 
At any rate, I think Bergy gets and should get his second.  The guy put up the best 5v5 CF% rel and CF% in the league with a 5 v 5 O/DSt% of ~46%.  Only one other guy in the top ten in CF% rel was below 50% O/DSt% and no one in the top ten in CF% was, though Joe Thornton, at 11, was at ~47%.
 

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TheStoryofYourRedRightAnkle said:
Maybe I'm just a victim of the aforementioned "need to watch the games" bias, but I've never thought of Kopitar as superior defensively.  The advanced stats point towards him being pretty good, though.
 
Kopitar definitely has a positive reputation as a two-way player, even ignoring the stats. I've always been impressed watching him as well. I would be very surprised if he won the award over Bergeron and Toews, but he's an excellent two-way player.
 

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Im at a bar and dont have the memory for it, but did Datsyuk miss time this year? Not seeing him on the list is a shock to the system.
 

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Kenny F'ing Powers said:
Im at a bar and dont have the memory for it, but did Datsyuk miss time this year? Not seeing him on the list is a shock to the system.
 
He only played in 45 games this year.
 
Just looked, he was only +1 this year (I know, I know, +/- isn't perfect).
 

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Kenny F'ing Powers said:
Im at a bar and dont have the memory for it, but did Datsyuk miss time this year? Not seeing him on the list is a shock to the system.
 
Fail.