Options for Drew: Tigers, Mets, Yankees etc..

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I would not bet against rumor sending Stephen Drew to Tigers
 
https://twitter.com/pgammo/status/444871556317978624
 
 
This would be great for us in the draft, because the Tigers' losing their pick moves up our (in that scenario) three picks to 25, 32, and 33.
 
Iglesias' health a factor?
 
http://msn.foxsports.com/detroit/story/shins-still-hurting-tigrs-iglesias-visits-chiropractor-031414

" The perplexing shin pain Tigers shortstop Jose Iglesias has dealt with for more than two weeks has led the team to send him to a chiropractor specializing in pain management. ...His inability to run without pain, particularly when "decelerating," has caused Rand to "leave no stone unturned" in finding solutions."
 

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Mike Ilitch is 84 years old and has owned the Tigers since 1992 without a title. With Scherzer's FA looming (not to mention last year's ALCS nutpunch and a WS loss the year before), the Tigers are about as GFIN as it gets.
 
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Sign that Drew boy, Dombrowski!
 

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LeoCarrillo said:
Mike Ilitch is 84 years old and has owned the Tigers since 1992 without a title. With Scherzer's FA looming (not to mention last year's ALCS nutpunch and a WS loss the year before), the Tigers are about as GFIN as it gets.
 
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Sign that Drew boy, Dombrowski!
 
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What's good for the draft is dubious that low on the board, and the Tigers lineup with Drew rather than Iglesias is far more imposing. I'd rather pick one spot later and have Drew on the Mets.
 

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ji oh said:
 
This would be great for us in the draft, because the Tigers' losing their pick moves up our (in that scenario) three picks to 25, 32, and 33.
 
Iglesias' health a factor?
 
http://msn.foxsports.com/detroit/story/shins-still-hurting-tigrs-iglesias-visits-chiropractor-031414

" The perplexing shin pain Tigers shortstop Jose Iglesias has dealt with for more than two weeks has led the team to send him to a chiropractor specializing in pain management. ...His inability to run without pain, particularly when "decelerating," has caused Rand to "leave no stone unturned" in finding solutions."
Jim Bowden just tweeted:  "Iglesias will miss most of 2014 with shin injury according to another player that is close to him. Speculation that Tigers will pursue Drew"
 

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Wonder if Iglesias has a stress fracture of his tibia - it's kind of the only thing that makes sense, but missing the whole season seems kind of extreme
 

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Wonder if Iglesias has a stress fracture of his tibia - it's kind of the only thing that makes sense, but missing the whole season seems kind of extreme
 
Would that not show up on an X-Ray or MRI? It seems a bit odd to send someone to a chiropractor to figure this out, right? Or did they know he had a stress fracture and were trying to figure out a way for him to tough it out? Either way seems strange to me.
 

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Would that not show up on an X-Ray or MRI? It seems a bit odd to send someone to a chiropractor to figure this out, right? Or did they know he had a stress fracture and were trying to figure out a way for him to tough it out? Either way seems strange to me.
 
It's possible he had a stress fracture, they knew it, but he wanted to go to the chiropractor to see if there was anything to do to decrease his symptoms.  Certainly not going to get him back any sooner, though, but if he or his agent wanted it they wouldn't say no
 

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Can't a stress fracture develop into something more serious if you keep playing on it? Like a complete fracture. I believe that's what happened to Jeters ankle.
 
In any event, Machado has had a set back for the Orioles.  Given the uncertainty of when Machado can return (he can't run yet) I wonder of the Orioles will be in on Drew with the 14 million they had earmarked for Santana.  They also have a hole at 2B Drew could fill when Machado is ready to play, and Hardy is a free agent after this year, not to mention Drew has value in a trade (esp if they eat some salary).
 
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10612739/manny-machado-baltimore-orioles-not-ready-opening-day
 

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Ed Hillel said:
 
Would that not show up on an X-Ray or MRI? It seems a bit odd to send someone to a chiropractor to figure this out, right? Or did they know he had a stress fracture and were trying to figure out a way for him to tough it out? Either way seems strange to me.
 
Would show up on an MRI, not an X-Ray (most likely).  No idea what role the chiropractor had in this, I'm guessing none.  
 
Agree with DRS of course that missing the whole season, or close to it, seems pretty extreme.  Those must be some nasty stress fractures. 
 

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What's good for the draft is dubious that low on the board, and the Tigers lineup with Drew rather than Iglesias is far more imposing. I'd rather pick one spot later and have Drew on the Mets.
There's at least some chance that the Mets expected to lowball Drew and that he'd eventually cave as there was no other team out there but now the Mets and Tigers will have a brief bidding war over his services.  Not likely.  We're pretty far through spring training now for the Mets to still be planning to step on Boras's neck and get Drew cheap.  But possible.
 

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Boy, imagine if we had decided to keep Jose and trade away Xander.  Not that anyone here suggested it, but what a cluster$%#@ that would have been.
 

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Would show up on an MRI, not an X-Ray (most likely).  No idea what role the chiropractor had in this, I'm guessing none.  
 
Agree with DRS of course that missing the whole season, or close to it, seems pretty extreme.  Those must be some nasty stress fractures. 
I had this injury and at the time I was told it would not show on anything but a bone scan, where I was injected with a type of radioactive dye. You could see a bright white line on the monitor where the fracture was. Nothing showed on the X ray. This was a 6-8 week type of thing as I recall, I got it from too over training for a 15k.
 

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When I was mentioning the whole "Maybe Drew will wait for Victor Martinez to fall off a treadmill" thing earlier, I wasn't being this literal and I wasn't implying a major injury to a Tiger causing Ilitch to overpay immediately, but boy that seems more likely than the Mets now.
 

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What's good for the draft is dubious that low on the board, and the Tigers lineup with Drew rather than Iglesias is far more imposing. I'd rather pick one spot later and have Drew on the Mets.
 
Drew is likely to be a better hitter than Iglesias, sure, but hardly 'far more imposing'.
 

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Gammo with the takedown of BSL.
 
https://twitter.com/pgammo/status/445005636661571584
 
Boras represents Iglesias and Drew.  Obviously, Boras understands that injuries happen, and that sooner or later an injury will present an opportunity for one of his clients.  In this case it may be Drew, but it will cost Iglesias some money next year if he misses substantial time.
 

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I had this injury and at the time I was told it would not show on anything but a bone scan, where I was injected with a type of radioactive dye. You could see a bright white line on the monitor where the fracture was. Nothing showed on the X ray. This was a 6-8 week type of thing as I recall, I got it from too over training for a 15k.
 
MRI or bone scan will usually show it.  Most people these days will just get an MRI, but both tests are reasonable.  X-Rays usually aren't helpful. 
 

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Gammo with the takedown of BSL.
 
https://twitter.com/pgammo/status/445005636661571584
 
Gammo's butt is getting better at this tweeting thing.
 

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Boras represents Iglesias and Drew.  Obviously, Boras understands that injuries happen, and that sooner or later an injury will present an opportunity for one of his clients.  In this case it may be Drew, but it will cost Iglesias some money next year if he misses substantial time.
Boras gets a bonus for having two of his players potentially getting paid for the same position by the same team.
 

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Gammo with the takedown of BSL.
 
https://twitter.com/pgammo/status/445005636661571584
 
Cheri's not 100% wrong in this. In fact she's way closer to right than wrong. They would never admit to rooting for injury, but they needed an opening and a reason for a team to need Drew at any where close to the cost in dollars and compensation that it will take to sign him. At this point injury seems to have been their best means of getting there, yes?
 

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I can't help thinking that Boras is probably right now trying to figure out some way to get Drew to the Tigers for one year and the Yankees for the following 2-3 years, all in the same contract.
 
You laugh, but he probably is.  Boras is probably telling the Tigers to sign him for 3 years (back loaded deal) and then when Iggy returns they can trade him to the Yankees for Sanchez as by then the Yankees will realize the folly of their ways in expecting a 40 yo statue coming off a bad ankle fracture to stay healthy or perform adequately.
 

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Sounds like the Red Sox managed this a bit better than the Tigers.
 


Iglesias will need "extended rehab" for months and possibly the entire season, a source with knowledge of the injury tells the Boston Globe's Nick Cafardo (via Twitter). Meanwhile, Red Sox manager John Farrell told reporters, including Sean McAdam of CSNNE.com, he feels for Iglesias, who played for him last year, but was "aware (the shins were an issue) to the extent we had to monitor. We had to get him off his feet because he felt some pain and soreness there."
 
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/03/jose-iglesias-expected-to-miss-most-of-2014.html
 

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You laugh, but he probably is.  Boras is probably telling the Tigers to sign him for 3 years (back loaded deal) and then when Iggy returns they can trade him to the Yankees for Sanchez as by then the Yankees will realize the folly of their ways in expecting a 40 yo statue coming off a bad ankle fracture to stay healthy or perform adequately.
 
One year guaranteed with an option based on games played and another option that vests if he's traded.
 

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GM Dave Dombrowski says the Tigers will not pursue free agent shortstop Stephen Drew,the Detroit News' Lynn Henning reports. Dombrowski says the Tigers will go with "internal candidates" to replace the injured Jose Iglesias at shortstop, perhaps including Danny Worth, Eugenio Suarez or Hernan Perez.
Henning takes that to mean that the Tigers might still have interest in pursuing trades as a way of finding a new shortstop, but they will not pursue Drew. The Tigers have the No. 23 pick in the upcoming draft, and Henning suggests they do not want to give that up in order to sign Drew. They also do not want to sign Drew to a long-term deal when Iglesias still figures to be their long-term answer at shortstop.
It emerged this weekend that Iglesias' shin injury would cause him to miss most of the 2014 season. That news has led to increased speculation that the Tigers would sign Drew, who previously had not been able to find much of a market after rejecting a qualifying offer from the Red Sox.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/03/tigers-will-not-pursue-stephen-drew.html
 

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Drew is likely to be a better hitter than Iglesias, sure, but hardly 'far more imposing'.
Drew could be imposing - for a shortstop, anyway - if he got out of Fenway. He has legitimate pull power that goes to die in Fenway RF. I will be pleased if he ends up on the Tigers, if only because he wouldn't be signing with the Yankees, where he could do real damage.
 

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Drew could be imposing - for a shortstop, anyway - if he got out of Fenway. He has legitimate pull power that goes to die in Fenway RF. I will be pleased if he ends up on the Tigers, if only because he wouldn't be signing with the Yankees, where he could do real damage.
 
Its funny, but looking at Drews H-A splits last year it looks as if Fenway helped him, even though I have no idea why it should. Like you say, his FB power to RF should not play well in Fenway, and it didn't really.  The gap in the H-A splits were almost entirely a 1st half phenomenon though, for whatever reason. He hit as well on the road as at Fenway in the 2nd half.  In a platoon situation with Iglesias in the 2nd half, the Tigers would get pretty darn good production out of SS. 
 
Looks like they are going with inhouse options as their payroll is a tad high for a team with only 245 million in revenue (157 million), and losing a 1st round pick for 1 yr of Drew is hard to swallow, although nothing is stopping them from giving him 3 yrs.  I am sure Boras would consider a back loaded deal with deferred money so maybe they work something out.
 
I would be a bit less optimistic about Iggy's future as a starting SS now.  A defensive SS with questionable batting skills and chronically bad pins is not ideal.  Drew would likely outproduce Iggy over 3 years, albeit at less surplus value. 
 
As for the Yankees, I don't get it.  He just makes so much sense for them.  With a payroll at 2008 levels you would think they could work something out.  Like you say, good news for the Red Sox and with Drew still available, and Dempsters salary off the books, he could be back with them if there is an injury to WMB or XB.
 

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@Jim_Duquette: Source close to Jose Iglesias just told me he has stress fractures of both shins,no longer shin splints.He's Flying to Col for confirmation


https://twitter.com/Jim_Duquette/status/445563260738486272
The fact that it's both tibias makes the timeframe for recovery a little longer because it's a little more difficult to stay off of both legs unless you're in a wheelchair.
 

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As for the Yankees, I don't get it.  He just makes so much sense for them.  With a payroll at 2008 levels you would think they could work something out.  Like you say, good news for the Red Sox and with Drew still available, and Dempsters salary off the books, he could be back with them if there is an injury to WMB or XB.
It isn't complicated. They obviously feel like they are going to get something out of Jeter this year and Ryan is great defensively, enough so that the offensive improvement of attaining Drew isn't worth the pick plus whatever Boras is asking for.

The only way I see the Yankees signing Drew is if Jeter breaks down right away or is so unproductive that they feel they have to do something. If it happens at all, It will probably take a month or two of the season. If Drew is willing to wait around until, say, after the draft in early June, I think something maybe could happen.

I expect Drew will find a home before then.
 

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The fact that it's both tibias makes the timeframe for recovery a little longer because it's a little more difficult to stay off of both legs unless you're in a wheelchair.
 
 
I wonder if its a given he comes back this year at all?
 
 
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It isn't complicated. They obviously feel like they are going to get something out of Jeter this year and Ryan is great defensively, enough so that the offensive improvement of attaining Drew isn't worth the pick plus whatever Boras is asking for.

The only way I see the Yankees signing Drew is if Jeter breaks down right away or is so unproductive that they feel they have to do something. If it happens at all, It will probably take a month or two of the season. If Drew is willing to wait around until, say, after the draft in early June, I think something maybe could happen.

I expect Drew will find a home before then.
 
You have a guy in Johnson who has barely played 3B and whose best position is 2B, and he is also your backup 1Bman, a 40 yo SS who missed all of last year with an ankle fracture/etc and a 2Bman in Roberts who has not been healthy for almost as long as Grady Sizemore, with replacement fodder as backup.  What are the odds all 3 stay healthy?.  In addition, all 3 of these players are gone next year (including Jeters 12 million salary) leaving holes at SS and 2B, and Drew could replace the SS hole next year while providing insurance at SS for Jeter this year playing 3B and having Johnson at 2B or as a utility IF'er backing up 3B, 2B and 1B.  
 
They will also only be losing a 2nd round pick and by most projections fall short of the playoffs by a few games.  And did I mention how well Drews bat should play at YS3?
 
I agree, its not complicated, Drew just makes so much sense on so many levels.  While 12-13 million AAV is significant for many teams, this is the Yankees who are in a different universe when it comes to revenue.
 

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True.  And as someone else mentioned elsewhere, if the Yankees have injury issues again this year and actually fall behind in the AL East badly in the first half of the season, there may actually be a plausible path to dumping a few of the more expensive older guys on short term deals to contenders (like Kuroda and Ichiro) and slipping below the $189M for the year - signing Drew would make this "plan B" much less doable....
 

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True.  And as someone else mentioned elsewhere, if the Yankees have injury issues again this year and actually fall behind in the AL East badly in the first half of the season, there may actually be a plausible path to dumping a few of the more expensive older guys on short term deals to contenders (like Kuroda and Ichiro) and slipping below the $189M for the year - signing Drew would make this "plan B" much less doable....
How?  They need to clear ~$21M (right?), which would mean ~$42M in annualized salary if done mid-year.
 

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Well, add Beltran to Kuroda and Ichiro and you are at $37.5 million (annualized), so yeah, not easy but not completely undoable since none of those three guys are part of their plan for the future (provided you find the takers, of course)....
 

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Well, add Beltran to Kuroda and Ichiro and you are at $37.5 million (annualized), so yeah, not easy but not completely undoable since none of those three guys are part of their plan for the future (provided you find the takers, of course)....
2 players they signed this offseason, 1 to a multi-year contract with a no-trade clause, plus a 5th outfielder who they would have to subsidize his contract and/or send prospects along with?  Plus ~$4.5M?  
 
The source was pre-Gardner extension, so I believe they're understating his AAV by $6M, meaning you need to trim $54M annualized.
 
Realistically, they could probably get someone to take Kuroda at $16M, Soriano at $4M, maybe Ichiro at $3M, Thornton at $2M, Kelly Johnson & Brian Roberts at $2M total - this comes to $29M total, when you need $54M.  The only way to get under would be a Punto-type deal, which I can't imagine the Yankees doing.
 

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How?  They need to clear ~$21M (right?), which would mean ~$42M in annualized salary if done mid-year.
 
They could also play around with the luxury tax a little more by taking on players whose salaries will be paid mostly by other teams. 
 

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Do you have an example of how they could benefit by this?
 
When we wanted to sign Adrian Beltre in 2010 but didn't have the luxury tax room, we took on something like $1.5 million of Bill Hall's $8.5 million salary and he counted as a -$7 million hit against our luxury tax threshold. I think the Yankees did similar manipulation with Vernon Wells' contract.
 

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The source was pre-Gardner extension, so I believe they're understating his AAV by $6M, meaning you need to trim $54M annualized.
 
 
His extension is for 2015-2018 - does not affect the AAV of his current deal for 2014 ($5.6M)....
 

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When we wanted to sign Adrian Beltre in 2010 but didn't have the luxury tax room, we took on something like $1.5 million of Bill Hall's $8.5 million salary and he counted as a -$7 million hit against our luxury tax threshold. I think the Yankees did similar manipulation with Vernon Wells' contract.
OK, I see what you're saying - you'd be looking for a player with AAV less than actual cash paid this year (back-loaded contract) that gets subsidized more than his AAV.  For instance, maybe the Brewers unload Ricky Weeks (AAV $9.6M, Due $11M) and pay $10M of his salary, for a negative luxury tax impact of $400K.  (Or he could have multiple years left on his contract and have the entire subsidy paid this year).
 
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His extension is for 2015-2018 - does not affect the AAV of his current deal for 2014 ($5.6M)....
Yes - I read one article that treated it differently, but you're correct.
 

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Drew has never played anywhere but SS, though, and we are already halfway through March. It's a lot to ask him to learn a few new positions at this point, isn't it? He's also a lot less valuable of he's not playing SS and the Yankees can't really put him at SS, at least not right now.
 
I am sure he  is working out at 3B at the Boras camp.  SS are supposed to make that transition pretty easily.  Manny Machado did it with 2 minor league games before being called up to play 3B for the Orioles.  Jeter is not playing every day at SS and has trouble against RHP'ers.  Drew crushes RHP'ers.  Much better to have him at SS than no hit Ryan or no glove Nunez. 
 
Plus they need a SS next year, and he is great insurance this year if Jeter is injuried.  As for being less valuable at 3B, only 5 runs defensively which he may make up by being better than the average 3Bman.  His real value is as insurance for Jeter this year and as his replacement the next 2 years at what should be a reasonable cost, perhaps no more in AAV than the Red Sox paid last year, and Drew was hardly a sure bet last year coming off 2 miserable years.
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The Mets are supposedly exploring trading for a SS instead.
 
 
The D-Backs and Mariners both have shortstops being discussed in trade talk with the Mets, and Syndergaard would be a pitcher interesting to either team, especially the Diamondbacks, who were targeting upper level arms even before losing their No. 1 starter Patrick Corbin to an elbow issue.
 
However, the Mets aren't willing to offer the big righthander Syndergaard in a deal for a shortstop, according to a person familair with their thinking.
 
 

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Tigers shortstop Jose Iglesias, the second-place finisher in AL Rookie of the Year voting last year, will likely miss the 2014 season due to stress fractures in his lower legs, though the team hasn't ruled out the possibility he could make a late appearance before the season concludes.
 
 
The Tigers for now are going with Danny Worth and Hernan Perez as their shortstops, and manager Brad Ausmus indicated he may take until opening day to decide which way to go. Rival GMs see the Tigers, perhaps the American League favorite, as a prime candidate to make a trade.
 
"We're trying to win a championship," Dombrowski said. "We do what we can to win."
 
Dombrowski said he hasn't had extensive trade talks to this point, though it's known they have talked to the Diamondbacks, who have two young starting quality shortstops in Didi Gregorius and Chris Owings, with Gregorius seen as more likely to be moved than Owings. Top free agent shortstop Stephen Drew also would fit the Tigers, who are said to seek a good defender and prefer a left-handed hitter.
 
 
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Brendan Ryan scratched today due due back spasms which are allegedly unrelated to his earlier oblique injury. If he continues to have issues and Jeter continues to hit as he currently is (OPS under 400 in 12 games) are the Yankees still in play here?
 
Third string SS is Nunez who fields the position poorly and is also the second string 2nd base and 3rd base if Ryan is out.
Dean Anna (who plays today) apparently projects as a league average bat with below average SS fielding but decent 2b fielding. Left hitter which helps his cause.
 

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Brendan Ryan scratched today due due back spasms which are allegedly unrelated to his earlier oblique injury. If he continues to have issues and Jeter continues to hit as he currently is (OPS under 400 in 12 games) are the Yankees still in play here?
 
Third string SS is Nunez who fields the position poorly and is also the second string 2nd base and 3rd base if Ryan is out.
Dean Anna (who plays today) apparently projects as a league average bat with below average SS fielding but decent 2b fielding. Left hitter which helps his cause.
 
Jeter is not going to be benched in his retirement year, even if he hits under 200., and the Yankees have been pretty firm they won't be spending any more money.  I think it would take an injury to Jeter to get them to rethink this. 
 
With Iglesias looking to be out for the year, and perhaps not such a sure thing as a SS of the future, I think the Tigers are probably Drews best hope.  They may be playing a bit of chicken at the moment.
 

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Jeter is not going to be benched in his retirement year, even if he hits under 200., and the Yankees have been pretty firm they won't be spending any more money.  I think it would take an injury to Jeter to get them to rethink this. 
 
With Iglesias looking to be out for the year, and perhaps not such a sure thing as a SS of the future, I think the Tigers are probably Drews best hope.  They may be playing a bit of chicken at the moment.
 
 
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