Ongoing COVID-19 Impact

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Not being able to pitch all year doesn't make it a life threatening illness for him. He will be fine, and statistically it's overwhelmingly likely that all the NFL players mentioned will be, too.
I am sorry, where did your cardiology training come from? I missed that. Myocarditis is a severe and life threatening illness.
Beyond that, numerous young and healthy people are experiencing long term lung issues.

Here is what some actual heart experts have to say.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/myocarditis/symptoms-causes/syc-20352539#:~:text=Severe myocarditis can permanently damage,device or a heart transplant.

And I'll pull out the most important portion:

Complications
Severe myocarditis can permanently damage your heart muscle, possibly causing:

  • Heart failure. Untreated, myocarditis can damage your heart's muscle so that it can't pump blood effectively. In severe cases, myocarditis-related heart failure may require a ventricular assist device or a heart transplant.
  • Heart attack or stroke. If your heart's muscle is injured and can't pump blood, the blood that pools in your heart can form clots. If a clot blocks one of your heart's arteries, you can have a heart attack. If a blood clot in your heart travels to an artery leading to your brain before becoming lodged, you can have a stroke.
  • Rapid or abnormal heart rhythms (arrhythmias). Damage to your heart muscle can cause arrhythmias.
  • Sudden cardiac death. Certain serious arrhythmias can cause your heart to stop beating (sudden cardiac arrest). It's fatal if not treated immediately.
 

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Really? I kind of thought the burden of proof would be on the people claiming there is grave risk in playing NFL football.

Take a look at the CDC's numbers - people in the NFL player age range are as likely to die (probably moreso) from flu in any normal year than they are from Covid in 2020.
But the discussion was about serious complications, not death. I haven’t seen any data quantifying the rate of serious complications.

Based on what has been reported to date, the NFL’s COVID issues seem to be a consequence of lax compliance with standard workplace protocols, not anything inherent in the sport. Playing NFL football is bad for your health in all sorts of ways; it shouldn’t be necessary to add COVID exposure to those risks.
 

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Really? I kind of thought the burden of proof would be on the people claiming there is grave risk in playing NFL football.

Take a look at the CDC's numbers - people in the NFL player age range are as likely to die (probably moreso) from flu in any normal year than they are from Covid in 2020.
So you agree that people in that age range can die from COVID. Plus the complications issues.
 

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I am sorry, where did your cardiology training come from? I missed that. Myocarditis is a severe and life threatening illness.
Beyond that, numerous young and healthy people are experiencing long term lung issues.
I'm on your side on this - we take this really seriously in our home and I can't really understand why people don't wear masks, etc. But....I guess my question is (not being a medical professional at all), how do we know the bolded? This virus has only been around less than a year. How do we know that these issues are "long term"? Myocarditis, for example, can go away and lead to complete recovery. From the Mayo Clinic:

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/myocarditis/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20352544
"In many cases, myocarditis improves on its own or with treatment, leading to a complete recovery."

I know that's a heart, not a lung, issue, but how do we know that the lung issues are "long term"? That's not snarky, that's an honest question. We haven't had people dealing with issues related to Covid for very long, so how do we know that these complications are long term? How do we know they won't heal on their own or heal with treatment?

Believe me, I'm playing this as if any issue I ever get from Covid (should I get it) will affect me for the rest of my life, which is why me and my family are being really cautious (well, that's one reason...there are others). Better safe than sorry.
 

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Pulmonary fibrosis and COPD are primarily irreversible lung disorders
 

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I've read about people with COPD not necessarily being a higher risk for getting Covid, but that if you have COPD, it's bad to additionally get Covid (like with most underlying health conditions). But I haven't read that having Covid produces COPD.
 

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I'm on your side on this - we take this really seriously in our home and I can't really understand why people don't wear masks, etc. But....I guess my question is (not being a medical professional at all), how do we know the bolded? This virus has only been around less than a year. How do we know that these issues are "long term"? Myocarditis, for example, can go away and lead to complete recovery. From the Mayo Clinic:

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/myocarditis/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20352544
"In many cases, myocarditis improves on its own or with treatment, leading to a complete recovery."

I know that's a heart, not a lung, issue, but how do we know that the lung issues are "long term"? That's not snarky, that's an honest question. We haven't had people dealing with issues related to Covid for very long, so how do we know that these complications are long term? How do we know they won't heal on their own or heal with treatment?

Believe me, I'm playing this as if any issue I ever get from Covid (should I get it) will affect me for the rest of my life, which is why me and my family are being really cautious (well, that's one reason...there are others). Better safe than sorry.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351
Long term simply means longer than the actual viral symptoms persist, aka the first 1-2 weeks.

Lung issues months after the fact (Reduced exercise tolerance, requiring inhalers, etc) is a long term effect. And if a pro athlete has reduced exercise tolerance well that is bad news.

Anecdotal, there are now at least 5 reported cases nationwide of post viral Parkinsonism. One of whom is a nurse in my clinic with a severe R arm tremor now.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41531-020-00123-0
But the entire spur of the issue was someone calling myocarditis a non life threatening illness, which is well, wrong.

But we should probably get back on track to thread issues.
 

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https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351
Long term simply means longer than the actual viral symptoms persist, aka the first 1-2 weeks.

Lung issues months after the fact (Reduced exercise tolerance, requiring inhalers, etc) is a long term effect. And if a pro athlete has reduced exercise tolerance well that is bad news.

Anecdotal, there are now at least 5 reported cases nationwide of post viral Parkinsonism. One of whom is a nurse in my clinic with a severe R arm tremor now.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41531-020-00123-0
But the entire spur of the issue was someone calling myocarditis a non life threatening illness, which is well, wrong.

But we should probably get back on track to thread issues.
Nobody said that Myocarditis could not be life threatening. But Myocarditis that is identified and treated is overwhelmingly unlikey to be life threatening. It also presents itself after all kinds of viral infections, not just Covid.

I stand by the original point, which is that in all likelihood, not only will Eduardo Rodriguez and the handful of NFL players who have had significant symptoms from Covid not die, they will be back playing their sport next year. I'm not sure why that is being taken as a controversial assertion. That's all.

With all these things, the point isn't that it is 100% impossible that something tragic could happen. That's not how life works, ever. But in your post you're citing something that has apparently happened 5 times out of, what, 13 million Covid cases in the US? If we make decisions based on that level of risk, we won't be playing football or doing anything else.
 

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I stand by the original point, which is that in all likelihood, not only will Eduardo Rodriguez and the handful of NFL players who have had significant symptoms from Covid not die ...
Here's the flaw in your argument ... they're all going to die
 

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Updates! Get your unsourced updates here!

View: https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1333523437856370694


View: https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1333524132433113088


PFT: Per source, there are new fears of Ravens players refusing to play tomorrow night, which technically would be a wildcat strike. It could create major issues between NFL and NFLPA, if it happens. Potentially, it could jeopardize the balance of the season.

Schefter: NFL is now pondering a third postponement of the Ravens-Steelers game to later this week, per league source. Game already has been moved from Thanksgiving to Sunday to Tuesday....and now could be on the move again. NFL is now pondering a third postponement of the Ravens-Steelers game to later this week, per league source. Game already has been moved from Thanksgiving to Sunday to Tuesday....and now could be on the move again.
 

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I would love to see the players refuse to play and see what the NFL does. Burn it to the ground.
 

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I hope they have a Week 12 Week 13 Thursday night doubleheader


Also, if it can't go on Wednesday they need to just cancel it and play it week 18. Their big money partners don't want them to screw up fantasy football and DFS, which is what will happen if the week doesn't end before the new week starts.
 

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I've read that they won't be paid if a team has to forfeit, but what happens if the NFL cancels it instead? I'm assuming they would be paid in that case?
 

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Guess they couldn't move the Rockefeller tree lighting, could they?
nope
View: https://twitter.com/KevinPWinter/status/1333554408488136705
Source......NFL wanted Wednesday night. NBC said no because of tree lighting at 30 rock
View: https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1333556931236163584


Another ultimate 2020 note: the Ravens-Steelers game is kicking off Wednesday at 3:40 pm because NBC wanted and was committed to broadcasting the 88th Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree lighting ceremony on Wednesday night, per sources. Tree lighting trumped football
 
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Steve Young, to his credit, called bullshit on the league’s prioritization of jamming the schedule through over safety AND competitive integrity. Schefter - NFL mouthpiece - refuses to engage on his point. Probably wise because ‘the MONEY’ isn’t a great counterpoint when the league has lived and died on the narrative of competitive integrity for years under Goodell.

This is all about the impending network negotiations.
 

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A...tree lighting?
You joke, but the Christmas tree lighting actually gets good viewership
https://deadline.com/2018/11/christmas-rockefeller-center-wins-total-viewers-empire-demo-survivor-tie-tv-ratings-1202511041/
NBC’s two-hour Christmas In Rockefeller Center (1.3 demo rating, 8.376 million viewers) topped Wednesday night in total viewers, but took a tumble compared to year ago one-hour tree-lighting extravaganza (1.7, 9.033M).

NBC boasted the most-watched primetime Christmas special on the Big 4 since the annual ceremony’s 8 PM coverage on same Wednesday in 2017, which is to say this year’s broadcast clocked more viewers than the 54th run of Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, previous night on CBS.
https://www.thewrap.com/the-moodys-fox-nbc-christmas-tree-lighting-masked-singer-ratings/
 

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Steve Young, to his credit, called bullshit on the league’s prioritization of jamming the schedule through over safety AND competitive integrity. Schefter - NFL mouthpiece - refuses to engage on his point. Probably wise because ‘the MONEY’ isn’t a great counterpoint when the league has lived and died on the narrative of competitive integrity for years under Goodell.

This is all about the impending network negotiations.
Schefter has been deeply embarrassing. Just yesterday he was fistpumping over the league not having to cancel any games.
 

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So clearly $$$> health for the NFL.

View: https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1333930113868722177
Baltimore’s team flight is leaving, game is still on, but the Ravens did have two more positive tests today, per sources. It is thought to be one player, one staff, and in the words of one source “not unexpected and not a concern for the game.”






THE NFL is getting close to FIFA level incompetence
 
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I mean. At least the NCAA is canceling games under the guise of “player safety”. The nfl seems hell bent on getting this game played this week, health of players/staff be dammed. I mean what will it take for the nfl to PPD this game to another week? Half the team on a ventilator?
 

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CDC updated guidelines today saying the 14 day quarantine can be reduced to 7 or 10 days. The reason? People don’t want to quarantine for 14 days.
 

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CDC updated guidelines today saying the 14 day quarantine can be reduced to 7 or 10 days. The reason? People don’t want to quarantine for 14 days.
is there evidence 14 is the right number over 7-10?
 

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Sally Jenkins has had enough.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/12/02/nfl-covid-masks-tracing-devices/
Here we are, still living through this damn zombie movie. Only the zombies aren’t the living dead; they’re the incompetent braindead in living bodies, jerkily animated by their own impervious wants, sightless and hollowed out, incapable of self-preservation yet wreakers of havoc and destruction on others. It took just one zombie on the Baltimore Ravens who neglected to cover his nose and mouth with a mask to thereby wreck his own team, and with a ripple effect of infection plunge the NFL into organizational chaos.

They’re easy to spot, zombies: They’re the un-sentient, disconnected husks who walk around breathing potential hell on their colleagues and neighbors. They lurch clumsily into the midst of crowded rooms with their masks either missing or dragging around their chins, spreading their odorless danger mercilessly as they shout. Steve Saunders, strength coach of the Ravens? Clearly a zombie. Denver Broncos quarterbacks Drew Lock, Blake Bortles, Brett Rypien and Jeff Driskel are a whole cohort of zombies, mobile in body but empty-skulled, lax and evidently less than cooperative about their contacts. See, one thing about zombies is that they are not just unthinking. They are aggressively unthinking.
 

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What exactly is he trying to say here? Is he implying that it's a conspriacy? That he doesn't actually have COVID? That they knew he had it because they infected him?

Or am I reading too much into dumb tweets, and he's just quitting at the slightest sign of adversity?
Probably just an emotional tweet. Part of the Dez package.