knucklecup said:Early AM Trade Machine fun:
Boston gets: Omer Asik
Houston gets: Brandon Bass, MarShon Brooks
knucklecup said:Early AM Trade Machine fun:
Boston gets: Omer Asik
Houston gets: Brandon Bass, MarShon Brooks
While most contending teams care only about the $8.3M cap figure, it's worth noting that because Asik was signed under the Gilbert Arenas rule, his actual salary next year is going to be around $15M even though his cap figure is going to $8.3M. For some teams like Oklahoma City or the Bulls, with owners who don't like to spend, that figure might be a problem.BigSoxFan said:Asik's contract is pretty reasonable too. Only making 8.3 mil / year for this year and the next. Somebody is going to bite. Biggest problem for Houston is that there are so many bad teams out there that probably aren't really looking to add a piece. I could see Miami being interested if/when Oden gets hurt but they don't have much to offer.
Brickowski said:Green would be a good fit in Houston, and Green for Asik works on the checker. That deal would make the Celtics worse in the short run, because Ainge will be trading away what little scoring he has. But it might work over time. Competent and relatively young 7 footers do not grow on trees.
Brickowski said:Green would be a good fit in Houston, and Green for Asik works on the checker. That deal would make the Celtics worse in the short run, because Ainge will be trading away what little scoring he has. But it might work over time. Competent and relatively young 7 footers do not grow on trees.
radsoxfan said:
I don't think Ainge is actively tanking, but I also don't think he's in the market for short term veteran upgrades. The team's window clearly is not within the next 1-2 seasons. Asik certainly would help short term, but I'm not sure what the point is from the Celtics perspective. I'm sure Ainge would love to trade a ton of the roster right now, but it only makes sense if you're getting rookies, draft picks, or more cap space.
bowiac said:I'd rather have Sullinger than Asik.
I don't believe in Olynyk much, and in particular don't think he'll ever be much use defensively. Sullinger on the other hand I think can be a very good player.wutang112878 said:I like Sully and Olynyk, but are their ceilings really as high as the 12/13 Asik? And actually, are they a little higher to compensate for the fact that they are 4s and not Cs which are much more difficult to come by?
bowiac said:I don't believe in Olynyk much, and in particular don't think he'll ever be much use defensively. Sullinger on the other hand I think can be a very good player.
Asik is very limited offensively, and his free throw percentage occasionally veers into the "can't be on the court late in the game" territory. I think Sullinger is a better player than him now, let alone his upside. I like Asik - he's a solid player, but I Sullinger has more offensive value, and plays very solid defense as well.
Brickowski said:
And if the Rockets are looking for a Sefolosha type, IMHO Green is a similar player. Sure, they have Parsons, but Green is a better defender, and Green can also play sf, which Terrence Jones really can't. Parsons is also due for a very big raise that the Rockets might not want to pay. Lastly, Green is a veteran.
Brickowski said:IMHO Green is a good defender. We've seen him do an excellent job on LeBron for two years now. But Asik is a better asset going forward, and Houston's loss is going to be some other teams' gain.
It is wildly unlikely that Houston would move Asik for Bass or Humphries, even if Ainge sweetened the deal. But Morey might do it for Green. I'm guessing that when Morey was contemplating how Howard and Asik would fit together, he thought he would cross that bridge when he came to it. Well, he's at the bridge.
Grin&MartyBarret said:
I'm not sure what Green brings them that Parsons doesn't at 1/10th of the cost. I'm pretty sure that Morey would prefer the production he's getting at the 3 between Parsons, Casspi, and Garcia at a combined 3.5 million dollars to the contribution he'd get from a Parsons/Green combo at 10 million.
He's also one of the better defensive centers in the NBA.ifmanis5 said:I wouldn't be in a hurry for Asik. He's a plus-rebounder for sure but every other part of his game is average or below average and 27 isn't so young. Shedding Bass and another scrub is fine but no way would I put Bradley/Sully/Kelly in a deal. Unless I was tanking for reals.
wutang112878 said:
I'm not saying the Celts could get him, but as an asset at this deadline or the next Danny could use him. He has a reasonable salary, he is effective and he is 7 feet tall. Thats a decent asset to have and Danny could trade him for the rookies, picks, etc Whats unclear is if Danny would have more trade leverage than Houston if Asik wasnt trying to push his way out the door.
Plus, who on this roster, besides Rondo, would you be upset about losing if you got Asik? I cant think of anyone
The Celtics shouldn't be worried about filling certain positions at this point though, should they? They just have to be building up assets and/or getting the best players they can regardless of position.Brickowski said:I agree that Sullinger is a better player than Asik. In fact I view him as the Celtics' second best player after Rondo. But Sullinger is a pf not a c. Their only true center is Faverani, unless Olynick can beef up.
And if the Rockets are looking for a Sefolosha type, IMHO Green is a similar player. Sure, they have Parsons, but Green is a better defender, and Green can also play sf, which Terrence Jones really can't. Parsons is also due for a very big raise that the Rockets might not want to pay. Lastly, Green is a veteran.
If the C's are lucky enough to get Parker, Randle or Wiggins, two of them play the same position as Green. And even if you don't get a top 3 pick, there are guys like Glenn Robinson, James McAdoo and Doug McDermott projected to go in the 7-15 range. It's obviously much easier to find a sf/pf than it is to find a good NBA center.
I would certainly make the trade IF I thought I could get Asik to sign an extension after next year.
mcpickl said:The Celtics shouldn't be worried about filling certain positions at this point though, should they? They just have to be building up assets and/or getting the best players they can regardless of position.
Can't see a scenario where Houston is interested in Green. He plays the same spot as Harden and Parsons, he's not a 4. I'd imagine Daryl Morey as one of the GMs heavily involved in advanced metrics knows that better than anyone.
Also, if Boston were thinking of adding Asik thinking about the longterm, their interest probably would depend on their plans for Rondo. If they intend to extend Rondo and build around him, Asik is a bad fit. Puts them in same spot they were in with Perkins/Rondo where they had two guys defenses didn't respect on the floor and really gummed up their offense. Don't see Ainge headed down that road again.
Don't see Bass as a fit for Houston either. They definitely need a 4, but I'd think they'd be looking for a better defender there. They have enough scoring, but need some help covering up for Parsons and Harden.
I still don't think so.Devizier said:
Once McHale realized that Dwight Howard and Omer Asik are not the modern reincarnation of Ralph Sampson and Hakeem Olajuwon, he went small at the four.
That means their "power forwards" have been Omri Casspi, Chandler Parsons, and more recently Terrence Jones.
Given that Chandler Parsons is Jeff Green, that means they could envision a lineup of Parsons-Green at the forward spots if they want to go all in with their offense. But because their backcourt defense is so atrocious, and because Howard hasn't really been the anchor that he had been in Orlando, they can't afford to play it Stan Van Gundy style like I suggested before the season started.
In other words, nighthob is right, the Rockets need to dump Howard.
I don't think Morey has the luxury of turning Asik into the perfect fit for Houston.I don't see what exactly we're debating here.
I liked Brickowski's idea before the season, but the Rockets need a two-way player who defends guards well and won't displace Harden from the lineup (i.e. not Jeff Green).
Asik is getting DNP-CD's, not 20 minutes.There are guys getting screwed on the bench in every single NBA game. Asik is a good player but not exactly the caliber that gets to dictate his situation. If Humphries can handle his DNP Coach's Decisions here, then Asik can deal with getting 'just' 20 min a game
It's completely Asik's doing. He doesn't want to be there. It's a bad situation for the locker room and in every other way. That's why I do not believe Morey can wait for the perfect deal. If he does, he may lose the season.He is getting those after he was pulled from the starting lineup and responded by asking to be traded, its partially his doing
The Houston Rockets will be trading Omer Asik as quickly as they can find a palatable trade. That much is certain.
The mystery here, apart from the obvious question about where he ultimately winds up, is what Houston does with Asik until it can locate that appealing deal.
The center was scratched from Saturday's home game against Denver essentially because he's so unhappy with his new role that he's in no state to play. Word is Asik has been asking the Rockets pretty much once a week, since Dwight Howard's arrival in July, to please trade him elsewhere. And now losing his starting spot, on top of what was already a reduced role, has clearly knocked the 27-year-old back.
Sources with knowledge of the situation told ESPN.com that Asik was challenged by coaches and teammates this week for not being "engaged" in the wake of the lineup change, which took effect when Asik was moved to the bench for Wednesday's game in Philadelphia. And he hasn't played since the challenge, logging zero minutes Thursday night in New York while in uniform and not even dressing against the Nuggets.
It should. It makes them better in the short term, doesn't do anything to hurt them financially, and rids them of a complaining Asik.Jer said:http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24245614/report-houston-rockets-to-trade-omer-asik-just-not-sure-when
Maybe that Bass offer will start looking good
Brickowski said:It's completely Asik's doing. He doesn't want to be there. It's a bad situation for the locker room and in every other way. That's why I do not believe Morey can wait for the perfect deal. If he does, he may lose the season.
Sources with knowledge of the situation told ESPN.com that Asik was challenged by coaches and teammates this week for not being "engaged" in the wake of the lineup change
knucklecup said:It should. It makes them better in the short term, doesn't do anything to hurt them financially, and rids them of a complaining Asik.
How many teams have proposals like that?
radsoxfan said:
How many teams can offer a package as good as Brandon Bass? Probably just about every other team in the NBA.
knucklecup said:
Marcin Gortat got traded for an expiring contract and a mediocre, no upside first round draft pick.
What do the Rockets realistically expect in return?