Offseason Thread - Betty when you call me, you can call me Al
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Yeah, someone misread his tweet and said they would because they referenced Marks. Thanks.
His contract makes him a tough addition. Not winning with or without him so why pay him 30 plus million a year?
https://twitter.com/Celtics_Junkies/status/1141152619374809088
Isaiah is a free agent
Avery is a free agent
Jae is a free agent
Jerebko is a free agent
Olynyk is a free agent
I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
Not sure Jae is, unless he's getting waived, but still....funny.
Isaiah is a free agent
Avery is a free agent
Jae is a free agent
Jerebko is a free agent
Olynyk is a free agent
I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
Not sure Jae is, unless he's getting waived, but still....funny.
Right. Rubio, Edoh, Sepholosha and probably Neto will be gone and UTA will be right at the cap (but can re-sign Favors).
Ive been traveling and been hearing the news in dribs and drabs
While these happenings are clearly not ideal, what is the bottom line now with us insofar as money to spend? Barring renouncing everyone, what level FA can we afford right now? Assuming not the elite level, but can we stll get a very good piece?
I would have zero problem going to battle in the East with a lineup of Rozier, Tatum, Briown, Hayward, Capella, Beal, and IT. I still think thats a lineup that competes for #2 behind MIL if Kawhi leaves TOR and goes west.
While these happenings are clearly not ideal, what is the bottom line now with us insofar as money to spend? Barring renouncing everyone, what level FA can we afford right now? Assuming not the elite level, but can we stll get a very good piece?
I would have zero problem going to battle in the East with a lineup of Rozier, Tatum, Briown, Hayward, Capella, Beal, and IT. I still think thats a lineup that competes for #2 behind MIL if Kawhi leaves TOR and goes west.
Well, re Capella I thought I read in passing that he could be had for Smart and draft picks, but maybe I was drunk (that does seem light)...completely brained adn thought beal was a FA. I guess my team aint happening lol
Olynyk is under contract for at least one more year in Miami, with a player option at $12M or so for 2020-21. He signed a four-year, 50M deal in 2017.
Great trade for Utah in that it gives their core a PG who can score and it the price tag was reasonable. As much as I like Conley, he is a much better fit with the Jazz than Boston assuming Horford is gone. If Mitchell can improve his shooting the Jazz may make some noise next postseason.
As with anything, this deal is not without risk. Conley has shown signs of breaking down - it wasn't just the '17-18 season as he missed a bunch of games during the prior two years as well. And that contract is pretty damn large for a guy of his caliber.
As with anything, this deal is not without risk. Conley has shown signs of breaking down - it wasn't just the '17-18 season as he missed a bunch of games during the prior two years as well. And that contract is pretty damn large for a guy of his caliber.
Like the deal for Utah—with Houston imploding and the Lakers thin, they are legit title contenders now.
Which should also be a lesson for us: everyone thought the sky was falling when they lost Hayward in a brutal conference. Bink on a mid first rounder, have a good coach, and make good moves at the margins.
Things change fast in the NBA when you have some core talent, which the Celtics do. Need to not get impatient and not freak out now.
Which should also be a lesson for us: everyone thought the sky was falling when they lost Hayward in a brutal conference. Bink on a mid first rounder, have a good coach, and make good moves at the margins.
Things change fast in the NBA when you have some core talent, which the Celtics do. Need to not get impatient and not freak out now.
They also nabbed a $29MM TPE in the deal. They can eat a couple of bad contracts from teams looking to get cap space, which should net them at least two first round picks.
Yeah, it’s a great deal for them, and you can pretty much pencil in the Celtics for a top 10 pick in one of the next 2 drafts now.
Yeah, Milwaukee and Portland were likely on the phone as soon as they heard the news
Portland would probably do backflips if they could flip Turner or Leonard/Harkless into that TPE for their first round pick.
I don't think Portland will be nearly as desperate as the Bucks since their core players are already under contract and they don't have an additional player like Milwaukee while having to take on more salary. The Bucks OTOH will be going balls to the wall in finding a landing spot for the remaining two years of Tony Snell's 7-figure AAV deal. I don't think the Bucks have enough secondary assets to include to get that done (similar to the problem Portland would have with Turner or Leonard) but I'd fully expect Illyasova's $7m to come off the books by sending Cash, a low #1, and maybe a cheap young player (Donte, Sterling, Connaughton) to a team like Memphis so they can free up money to retain Middleton and Brogdon.
Wouldn’t hurt if those salary dumps improved the on-court product too — the Grizzlies need to sell tickets in perhaps the NBA’s worst market, plus they want that pick to convey next season.
If Portland brings back Aminu they don't really have any mechanism to bring back Seth Curry, Rodney Hood or Enes Kanter. They don't have Bird Rights on those guys and would only have the taxpayer MLE at their disposal to round out the roster. They need to dump at least one of those bad deals to open the full MLE to make improvements.
I don't have any reason to believe Curry or Hood would receive a deal greater than the taxpayer MLE. I don't expect Kanter to be a target with the return of Nurkic.
Adam Himmelsbach of the Globe tweeted that he's heard that some teams at the top of the draft are wondering about the availability of Jaylen Brown.
https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/1141413877319643141
https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/1141413877319643141
I’d hate to see Jaylen go. About the only deal I could get behind would be for Beal. Definitely wouldn’t want to see him go for a pick to get someone like Garland.
Korver will likely be waived by Memphis. I think he ends up in LA without even having to use their room exception on him leaving them that $4.5m slot to add a veteran rotation player.
He'll take the vet minimum to go to LA. He's made his money and is an LA native who grew up a huge Lakers fan.
In a 2, maybe 2.5 player draft, I don't know if there's a trade there. I don't think the Knicks want him in a deal for #3 (because RJ Barrett would be intriguing). And obviously, Memphis ain't dealing #2.
Now, the wording doesn't say those teams "near the top" would necessarily trade a pick. Would we want to engage NO regarding Holiday?
I dunno. Jaylen Brown on his rookie deal and Jaylen Brown on his free market contract are two very different things, and his rookie deal has one year left.
Could be other things involved---as the post above yours said, if we keep him we're likely signing him to a big contract. And I'm not sure we all think he's worth it.
He may well be, and part of me is excited to see him and Tatum this year. But man, he's gonna get expensive.
If you're getting Holiday and #4 in a bigger deal involving Brown/Smart/Baynes, that's a deal I'd think about doing. You'd have his and Hayward's contract expiring in consecutive years so it keeps future flexibility. Gaining Holiday and, say, either Garland/Hunter/Culver would be something to think about.
The Pelicans are widely expected to trade the 4th pick, and I could see the Suns (6) or the Hawks (8) biting on a Jaylen + 14 package.
I think someone beats that offer for #4, but I’d be game for trading up to #6 if De’Andre Hunter is available.
If you trade for Holiday, you guarantee you get the bigger contract. And he’s 29. Very unclear what you’d be trying to achieve here.
That is really the fear. I keep hearing how Jaylen is going to turn into this amazing two way player, but I see a player that has been in the league for three years and could easily be as good as he is ever going to be. I am not saying that will be the case, but right now Ainge appears to be betting his job on Brown and Tatum developing.
Finding a PG? I don't know. I'd rather Holiday than Chris Paul.
It seems like Brown is the most likely to be dealt--what else could you see him going for?
I don't think Ainge is betting his job on anyone. If this is Jaylen Brown's ceiling, he is still a very valuable player in today's NBA - he is a good three (if his '17-18 and second half of last season three point shooting is representative of his skill) and D wing.
The Celtics should absolutely listen for offers on any one of the players under their control. However even if Brown is the next Jeff Green, they can still trade him down the road. Jeff Green has had a solid NBA career. Brown already appears to be a better shooter from distance too.
I'll disagree slightly, the top 6-8 next year is really good. I think I'd rather have a high pick there than delay for a year. The Utah trade wont be official until July, and there will be a market for them next summer to take on contracts in exchange for firsts in '22 and '23.
If the Celtics can take 21 and package it with other picks to move up, take on Roberson. He's on an expiring deal.
Roberson's main value is as $10.7mm salary ballast. He's coming off a missed season (ruptured patella tendon) and even healthy is a minus offensively.
Steven Adams was basically unplayable in the playoffs. I said at the end of the Blazers-Thunder that the Thunder would be looking to deal him in the offseason. I'd be extremely weary of taking on the remaining money on that deal.
Brown could maybe get you the 4th pick in this draft. Brown and a package of others assets could get you in the conversation about Holiday. There is no chance you could get both.
Is Boston worried about contending the next three years? I think the purpose he serves is stabilizing the regular season D for a couple of years as you ask for a couple of pick swaps down the road in addition to #21.
Also no way I take #4 for Brown without sweetener.
yeah, I don't see Adams as a fit for talent, and I don't think OKC sees him as such a dump that they'll attach a ton to him.
Honestly, I think the Celtics best fit with OKC is Roberson and 21, if they:
1. Already know where they're trading 21
2. Already thorough backchannels know that they can't get Russell or Randle
Honestly, I think the Celtics best fit with OKC is Roberson and 21, if they:
1. Already know where they're trading 21
2. Already thorough backchannels know that they can't get Russell or Randle
Trading Brown for the #4 pick makes the team unwatchable, IMO. We'd be in full tank mode. We have two talented young players to build a future team around. I'm perplexed by the interest in trading one of them away, especially in a pretty weak draft.
Brown and one of the non-lottery firsts for the #4 pick + filler. Do it.
I don't want to be paying Jaylen Brown big money next year, he's very replaceable. Take a shot at finding a core talent at #4.
I don't want to be paying Jaylen Brown big money next year, he's very replaceable. Take a shot at finding a core talent at #4.
Brown+ pick for Beal. Beal and Tatum are extremely close and would make it more likely Beal would stay long term. Beal/Hayward/Tatum/Smart core is very competitive and if supplemented well could get out of the east.
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