I just take that to mean they're not in on Hader.Interesting that we aren't prioritizing a LHRP, does Breslow think he can can make the summer version of Murphy sustainable?
I just take that to mean they're not in on Hader.Interesting that we aren't prioritizing a LHRP, does Breslow think he can can make the summer version of Murphy sustainable?
While I tend to get your overall point, I will say we seem to have gotten steady streams of "we believe in this team" and "our additions are the guys coming back from injury" and "we're not that far away" type comments. On the one hand you can say "well what else were they going to say" but on the other, those certainly weren't what people wanted to hear, nor were they particularly popular.I feel like the Sox know what we want to hear and are never ever going to tell us something unpopular. Thankfully, the reality of the team's situation lines up well with an aggressive strategy, so I wouldn't read anything untoward into these signals. But I personally prefer to tune them out until, as you wisely note, something actually happens.
OK, fair point. The deadline stuff, both years, was in hindsight an epic internal mess.While I tend to get your overall point, I will say we seem to have gotten steady streams of "we believe in this team" and "our additions are the guys coming back from injury" and "we're not that far away" type comments. On the one hand you can say "well what else were they going to say" but on the other, those certainly weren't what people wanted to hear, nor were they particularly popular.
To me those always seemed to at best seem hollow and at worst marked a massive misunderstanding of where the team was in relation to their peers in the AL East and those teams - ostensibly at least - contending for a pennant.
Now if they come out and do nothing, I'll certainly cede to your point. But again, I'd rather someone recognize the massive holes that exist rather than thinking what is already in the organization is sufficient, when clearly it isn't.
But again - it's all just talk until moves are made (or not made) which we can then revisit.
This is where I think Bloom was an epic fail. He couldn't pull the trigger. He got to the edge and couldn't get rid of prospects for deadline help. That's my read of why he was fired.OK, fair point. The deadline stuff, both years, was in hindsight an epic internal mess.
View: https://twitter.com/Sean_McAdam/status/1722358075259314647Per sources, the Red Sox showed interest in acquiring Gleyber Torres last season. Seems like fit is still there.
Red Sox may not be actively shopping outfielder Alex Verdugo, there is indeed interest from other clubs as reported by Pete Abe and others.
One team to continue to keep an eye on for Verdugo is the Yankees, per source.
I’ll believe it when I see it but that might not be a bad fit. Torres has some right handed power and has been a fairly consistent 3ish war guy over his career. And the MFY seem to need some lefty balance of their own. Might make sense to swap their last years of team control especially if you don’t think too highly of Verdugo’s future.There's some buzz about a trade with the Yankees built around Gleyber & Verdugo.
View: https://twitter.com/bradfo/status/1722611926952481251
View: https://twitter.com/Sean_McAdam/status/1722358075259314647
View: https://twitter.com/ChrisHenrique/status/1722440079237329063
Salary? MLBTR estimates Verdugo arb award at $9.2mn vs. Torres at $15.3mn.Gleyber Torres is a better hitter than Verdugo and is an above average fielder at 2B. Yet BTV has them rated similarly (6.9 for Gleyber to 5 for Verdugo). A guy live David Hamilton bridges that gap. Am I missing something about Torres?
I watch a lot of NYY games b/c my husband is a fan. Or was a fan, as he's not crazy about them lately. One of the reasons he tunes out is Torres, who makes inexcusable mistakes, bad Knoblauchian throws. You thought Hernandez was frustrating at SS? Just wait. Now, I know you have the "above average" rating, but the eye test says NO on this guy.Gleyber Torres is a better hitter than Verdugo and is an above average fielder at 2B. Yet BTV has them rated similarly (6.9 for Gleyber to 5 for Verdugo). A guy live David Hamilton bridges that gap. Am I missing something about Torres?
Probably the fact that he is not an above average fielder at 2B. Fangraphs has all of his defensive ratings as negative.Gleyber Torres is a better hitter than Verdugo and is an above average fielder at 2B. Yet BTV has them rated similarly (6.9 for Gleyber to 5 for Verdugo). A guy live David Hamilton bridges that gap. Am I missing something about Torres?
Not sure how much is actually being reported or just hints being dropped here and there, but yeah, the part where the deadline deals don't get done is bad, if you believe what people are saying. Like GMs complaining they had a fair deal lined up only for Bloom to come back and ask for another asset. That's where he seems to have shown himself out. If other GMs have had it with you, that's a problem.This is where I think Bloom was an epic fail. He couldn't pull the trigger. He got to the edge and couldn't get rid of prospects for deadline help. That's my read of why he was fired.
And Breslow just said this: “It is a risk,” he said of the trade market. “They don’t all work out. If you wait for the perfect trade you will likely never transact. I think these jobs require decisiveness and boldness and conviction, and also the humility that you’re not going to win every one.”
I don't think Bloom would have ever been able to utter those words.
Corbin Burnes, Freddy Peralta, and Willy Adames are all fits. Anyways it makes a lot of sense for the Brewers to reset. Burnes, Woodruff, and Adames are all free agents next year. Woodruff is likely out for most if not all of next season and has talked about wanting to stay in Milwaukee, so maybe they work out an extension with him, trade Burnes/Adames, and reset for ‘25.I've been pushing for a trade with Milwaukee for over a year now... might it finally happen?
According to Rosenthal: "Those sources, briefed on the Brewers’ discussions but not authorized to discuss them publicly, say the team is open to moving virtually any player on its roster."
That really makes sense. They'd probably be able to get a good deal with Woodruff right now considering that if he didn't sign a contract he'd be a sort of lame duck FA and would likely only get Make Good deals. It'd be risky for Milwaukee but that's where their budget is at.Corbin Burnes, Freddy Peralta, and Willy Adames are all fits. Anyways it makes a lot of sense for the Brewers to reset. Burnes, Woodruff, and Adames are all free agents next year. Woodruff is likely out for most if not all of next season and has talked about wanting to stay in Milwaukee, so maybe they work out an extension with him, trade Burnes/Adames, and reset for ‘25.
If that trade happened, my wife would be sick of me singing "Girl! I wanna take you to the Gley Bar!" by about the 6th inning of Opening Day.There's some buzz about a trade with the Yankees built around Gleyber & Verdugo.
I like this lineup a lot, except I'd probably have Yoshida is my (mostly) full-time DH, slide Duran to left and move Rafaela to center and have Abreau man right (or either sign or trade for a bopper--like a Soto).Always hard to picture the Sox-Yanks making a deal, though obviously, it's happened before and probably will again.
It would be a really good trade for both teams, to be honest. Torres may not be a great fielder (he's a PERFECT fit on the Sox!!!), but he's a very, very good hitter, and a nice power RH bat that the Sox would desperately need. Verdugo would be perfect in Yankee stadium - I'd expect 20+ homers out of him playing for the MFY.
The Sox could then fill RF with a combination of Rafaela and Abreu.
Starters:
C - Wong
1b - Casas
2b - Torres
3b - Devers
SS - Story
LF - Yoshida
CF - Duran
RF - Rafaela/Abreu
DH - rotate
Good balance of LH-RH power
LH - Casas, Devers, Yoshida, Duran, Abreu
RH - Torres, Story, Rafaela
Obviously I'd like to add another RH bat but that's a pretty good lineup.
I always thought that was up the discretion of the team trading the guy who would be extended? Does MLB get involved in that?Does anyone know if extension windows are still allowed in MLB during trade negotiations? I did a Google search, but couldn't find a reliable answer.
Understanding that he'd have to still be paid a massive amount of money, I'd feel a heck of a lot better dealing them for Burnes if we could extend him (Milwaukee almost certainly won't be paying him, so I could see them granting a window to up their prospect haul).
Counterpoint is both are on their last arb year, if both teams want to move on the blowback doesn't seem like a long term thing to me.It’s a good fit both ways but no way it happens IMO, not worth the blowback from fans and media if the dealt player blows up for your arch-rival.
I also like this. Takes the pressure off Urias to step in as starting 2B, he can rotate between 3B and 2B (and play mostly against LHP, who he hits to the tune of an .800 OPS), allowing us to get Devers some time at DH. Agree that Duran would be better suited for LF, and they can always put Yoshida in left against LHP, Devers at DH, and Urias at 3B.I like this lineup a lot, except I'd probably have Yoshida is my (mostly) full-time DH, slide Duran to left and move Rafaela to center and have Abreau man right (or either sign or trade for a bopper--like a Soto).
Easler for Baylor worked out okay for us.The Red Sox/Yankees don't trade significant players with each other except for Danny Cater for Sparky Lyle. They owe us one!
So didn't Mike Stanley for Tony Armas Jr. (it got us Pedro).Easler for Baylor worked out okay for us.
And he came back a year later.So didn't Mike Stanley for Tony Armas Jr. (it got us Pedro).
That would make sense as to why I can't find a good answer on my own about if it's allowed in the new CBA or not. Until someone says otherwise, I'm going to go with this. Thanks.I always thought that was up the discretion of the team trading the guy who would be extended? Does MLB get involved in that?
I would think SD could do better, but yes I'd roll the dice on extending Soto if we could get him at this price.Not a rumor, but Bleacher Report proposed trading Nick Yorke (#6) and Shane Drohan (#18) for Juan Soto. Even though Soto will have minimal control before becoming a free agent, this still doesn't seem like a lot. Its a deal I would make yesterday, especially given that the team appears to be open to trading Verdugo. Any thoughts?
Doesn't seem like a lot? That'd be highway robbery. But I'm way more bearish on Nick Yorke's future fit with the team and skill set in general than most.Not a rumor, but Bleacher Report proposed trading Nick Yorke (#6) and Shane Drohan (#18) for Juan Soto. Even though Soto will have minimal control before becoming a free agent, this still doesn't seem like a lot. Its a deal I would make yesterday, especially given that the team appears to be open to trading Verdugo. Any thoughts?
Same.I would think SD could do better, but yes I'd roll the dice on extending Soto if we could get him at this price.
They stapled Yu Darvish to Soto, they could do their very own version of the Mookie trade.Not a rumor, but Bleacher Report proposed trading Nick Yorke (#6) and Shane Drohan (#18) for Juan Soto. Even though Soto will have minimal control before becoming a free agent, this still doesn't seem like a lot. Its a deal I would make yesterday, especially given that the team appears to be open to trading Verdugo. Any thoughts?
Amazingly, Darvish (as of now, no idea how much money SD would take) is a worse contract than what the Dodgers took on for Price. With Boston paying $16m of Price's salary each year, he was 3 years / $48m / $16m AAV, through his age 36 season. Darvish is at 5 years / $90m / $18m AAV, which I believe would go through his age 41 season. He was - at least according to Fangraphs, worth almost exactly as much as Price was his last year in Boston ($18.8m for Price, $19.2m for Darvish). I really don't understand why SD inked that deal with Darvish last off-season. Truly baffling.They stapled Yu Darvish to Soto, they could do their very own version of the Mookie trade.
Agree that Yorke isn't a good fit for the Padres & it's super unlikely they do a deal with that.Same.
Though truth be told, I don't get why the writer proposed Yorke.
San Diego has Machado, Bogaerts and Cronenworth all under contract, along with Kim whom I'd have to assume they're looking to extend. Their system isn't great, but their top prospect is a middle infielder (Jackson Merrill, a SS) that is rated similarly to Mayer, is also in AA, is (fwiw) about 3 months younger and just had a far better showing at AA than Mayer did (Merrill had a 104 wRC+ in AA).
Even without having Soto extended, that is absolutely a deal I'd make from Boston's perspective. I really don't get why the writer thinks San Diego would go for it.
Any trade for Soto requires moving on from Yoshida, either in the Soto deal or separate deal. No need for two LHH LF/DH on the roster. Yoshida would make sense for the Padres, settling LF for several years. BTV has Yoshida at 0 surplus value. But I think his past season represents his floor, so I see him having upside. Add 3 more WAR total over the next 4 years and his value matches Soto this year. Maybe throw in a lottery ticket prospect to sweeten the deal.Not a rumor, but Bleacher Report proposed trading Nick Yorke (#6) and Shane Drohan (#18) for Juan Soto. Even though Soto will have minimal control before becoming a free agent, this still doesn't seem like a lot. Its a deal I would make yesterday, especially given that the team appears to be open to trading Verdugo. Any thoughts?
Don't think this would be a help in keeping Yamamoto (or any other player) happy if we keep him until Yamamoto signs and then trade him. If you're suggesting we keep Yoshi just to make Yamamoto happy, that's not ideal either. I like Yoshi and don't have interest in trading him right now, but I'm open to ideas.Any trade for Soto requires moving on from Yoshida, either in the Soto deal or separate deal. No need for two LHH LF/DH on the roster. Yoshida would make sense for the Padres, settling LF for several years. BTV has Yoshida at 0 surplus value. But I think his past season represents his floor, so I see him having upside. Add 3 more WAR total over the next 4 years and his value matches Soto this year. Maybe throw in a lottery ticket prospect to sweeten the deal.
That said, I wouldn’t deal Yoshida until I know if he might be part of the lure of bringing Yamamoto to Boston.
On Burnes:Jen McCaffrey in The Athletic suggests Red Sox and Brewers might be a match for Burnes and/or Adames, who would move over to 2B. Both are in their final arbitration years.
https://theathletic.com/5049867/2023/11/10/red-sox-brewers-corbin-burnes-willy-adames/
With starting pitching seeming to be incredibly hard to find, Burnes will be expensive to acquire, even with only one more year of control.Burnes, who just turned 29 in October, is projected to make $15.1 million in his final year of arbitration, per MLB Trade Rumors, and would surely strengthen the Red Sox’s rotation. The 2021 NL Cy Young Award winner is coming off a season in which he posted a 3.39 ERA over 32 starts with a 25.5 percent strikeout rate, his third straight year of 200 or more strikeouts.
Even with one year of control left, the Brewers surely would be looking for more than one top prospect and likely at least one starter to bolster their pitching staff going forward. That might mean the Brewers would seek a return of right-hander Wikelman Gonzalez or Luis Perales in addition to another prospect, and the Red Sox will have to weigh the risk.
The trade machine does NOT agree that the Brewers would move Adames (12.7) for Fernandez (0.5) or Rogers (1.3). It says they would scoff at moving him for BOTH of those guys.Meanwhile, Brewers shortstop Willy Adames could be another option for the Red Sox. Though he has limited experience at second base (just 10 games there and none since his rookie year in 2018), the Red Sox moved Trevor Story to second in his first season with the club despite no big-league experience at the spot. Yes, the Red Sox could move Story back to second with Adames at short, but for now it seems like they prefer Story in his natural position. Adames is an elite defensive player and likely wouldn’t have much difficulty shifting positions. With plus-16 Outs Above Average at shortstop last year, his addition alongside Story up the middle would significantly strengthen the Red Sox’s infield. As a right-handed hitter, he’d balance the lineup a bit, but he is coming off a streaky year at the plate, hitting .217 with 24 homers, a .717 OPS and 95 OPS+. Adames is projected to make $12.4 million in his final year of arbitration and could serve as a bridge at second base to 2025 when Nick Yorke is expected to be ready for the big leagues.
That the Brewers accepted an unranked minor leaguer in return for Canha, entering the final year of a deal in which he was owed $11.5 million, could mean they’d green-light a similar return for Adames. Right-hander Ryan Fernandez or lefty Dalton Rogers fit that profile.
IF Yoshida being in Boston is part of what lures Yamamoto to Boston, then no, of course he can’t be traded after a YY signing.Don't think this would be a help in keeping Yamamoto (or any other player) happy if we keep him until Yamamoto signs and then trade him. If you're suggesting we keep Yoshi just to make Yamamoto happy, that's not ideal either. I like Yoshi and don't have interest in trading him right now, but I'm open to ideas.
I’ve heard at least one semi-informed person talk about how you can’t do that if you want to ever sign another Japanese player. Yoshida shouldn’t be lightly cast aside, he’s not some nobody and it will be viewed as disrespectful. How true that is, or whether it’s a bit of a generalization, I wouldn’t know, but I’d be careful there.IF Yoshida being in Boston is part of what lures Yamamoto to Boston, then no, of course he can’t be traded after a YY signing.
If YY signs elsewhere, then I would definitely look for an opportunity to move MY. I like him, but I think he’s not a great fit for a team that needs better outfield defense, more hitting, and more flexibility to give DH at-bats to Devers and Casas.
Soto wouldn’t improve the LF defense, but he would improve the offense. Yes, acquiring Soto is a go for it now move. I think Breslow has to go for it now.
If part of the reason Yamamoto picks the Sox is because of Masa and then they trade him it’ll be a horrible mistake politically. I can’t believe it’s even an optionI’ve heard at least one semi-informed person talk about how you can’t do that if you want to ever sign another Japanese player. Yoshida shouldn’t be lightly cast aside, he’s not some nobody and it will be viewed as disrespectful. How true that is, or whether it’s a bit of a generalization, I wouldn’t know, but I’d be careful there.
You can’t ever trade a Japanese player? Til death do us part, huh? Or at least until the contract runs out?I’ve heard at least one semi-informed person talk about how you can’t do that if you want to ever sign another Japanese player. Yoshida shouldn’t be lightly cast aside, he’s not some nobody and it will be viewed as disrespectful. How true that is, or whether it’s a bit of a generalization, I wouldn’t know, but I’d be careful there.