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Jimbodandy

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It was 5 years, $163 million but making all-NBA pushed it up to nearly $200 million, I'm pretty sure.

As for Brown, I'm not saying it makes sense for him to leave, just that he won't likely sign an extension. Boston will have the edge in terms of years and dollars it can offer, but he will still become a FA, so there's more risk he leaves than if they could just lock him up on a max extension tomorrow.
Yeah, any chances of extending Brown early ended when Devin Booker signed for 40MM a year.

Edit: if they existed at all before.
 

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maybe role? He's a somewhat quirky superstar, he also doesn't seemed bothered with giving his teammates credit or the spotlight.

My only concern with "Jaylen leaving" in 2yrs (an eternity in the NBA) is him wanting to go back to ATL or a warmer climate.


OK that's completely fair
Maybe at this point, but he's not totally egoless. He was liking tweets about how Boston fans don't respect him enough, and depending how the next 2 years go, who knows... maybe he'll get to a point where he wants to be "the guy" or wants to play with particular players.

People are way too confident in their assumptions about what guys think or will do 2-3 years out.

Also I think people built this image to themselves of Jaylen that isn't totally accurate.

Jaylen is pushing his brand now, he just signed with Kanye's new agency, he was shopping for a more prominent shoe deal push. Even stuff like Kyrie, people here talk a lot about Jaylen and Kyrie and how Jaylen is so smart he must hate Kyrie, and they did clash.... but recently they seem to have gotten a lot closer, Jaylen has talked about how they are close now.

The point is... there are a lot of reasons guys leave teams, and a it's hard to predict, especially 2 years out.

Right now... yeah I'd assume Jaylen re-signs, but a lot can happen between then and now, and it's a risk that people should account for in planning.
 

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You really have no choice in the NBA. I guess they could trade him instead, but if he is healthy they may be a legit threat this season . So they really have no choice
Discussed up thread but between the high bar for it to even qualify for the total (which happens this year) and likely a bunch of protections, that's probably essentially a fake number
 

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You really have no choice in the NBA. I guess they could trade him instead, but if he is healthy they may be a legit threat this season . So they really have no choice
Feels early for this. But so did Timelord for his deal (not near the same $ I get it)
 

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very jealous, great signing by Denver


confirmation/more evidence of the brilliant summer Brad had last year
It feels like at this contract level if the Celtics had wanted Brown they would have gotten Brown to come home — so let’s hope POBOBS has something else up his sleeve he is working on.
 

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It feels like at this contract level if the Celtics had wanted Brown they would have gotten Brown to come home — so let’s hope POBOBS has something else up his sleeve he is working on.
I think given the option, that Brown was looking for a big role. In Denver he has a real chance of being the starter.
 

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Next we will hear that Utah with it’s 3% beer was so much more fun than Boston…
2 things. 1.Watching Juancho pissed me off more than any player since Jameer Nelson’s short stint (god I hated watching him on the Cs). 2. I could not believe how beautiful Utah was when I was out there. Amazing place. Wouldn’t live there, need to be close to an ocean, but wow, what a state. “What to I have to do to live here? Be a Mormon, ok, ok, no problem, sounds like a fair deal.”
 

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It's going to be a major bummer if the Celtics come away with this offseason doing nothing other than signing Gallinari. A guy that Ime probably won't feel comfortable playing due to his defense.
 

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It's going to be a major bummer if the Celtics come away with this offseason doing nothing other than signing Gallinari. A guy that Ime probably won't feel comfortable playing due to his defense.
Nothing like giving up on an offseason less than 24 hours after free agency began.
 

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It's going to be a major bummer if the Celtics come away with this offseason doing nothing other than signing Gallinari. A guy that Ime probably won't feel comfortable playing due to his defense.
Aside from last year, Gallinari has always had a worse reputation defensively than his actual performance. He’s not good, but he’s not that bad either, and he would give us the additional scoring option we badly need to take pressure off Tatum and Brown even if it’s just for like 15 mpg to manage his energy and health.

I’d prefer taking a swing at Warren for upside reasons, but I’m also happy trust that Brad is not going to add players Ime won’t play after a season of them working together. (He obviously did this last offseason and then fixed it midseason and it seems unlikely everyone involved hasn’t gotten better aligned since then.)
 

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Neither of those links delve into the biggest asset the team has, the $17M TPE.
As with most TPEs, I'll believe it when it happens. They're rarely used and when they are it's rarely for good players. It's a couple years old, but I think the point remains:

Boston Celtics: Pump the brakes on the hype for their huge trade exception - Page 2 (hoopshabit.com)

The previously mentioned confusion stems from the fact that these TPEs either very rarely end up panning out or, in most cases, do not even get used in the first place. As a matter of fact, since the NBA first administered trade exceptions, roughly only 25 percent of the 790 created trade exceptions have been put to use (via Bobby Marks, The Ryen Russillo Podcast).

On a smaller scale, 100 trade exceptions were created by NBA teams from 2018 to 2019. Of the 100 TPEs, 74 went completely unused (trade exceptions expire after one year). Of the 26 used TPEs, the most notable players acquired included Sam Dekker, Jonathon Simmons, and Marquese Chriss—the latter two are presently out of the league, and the former will find himself cemented deep on the Golden State Warriors’ bench during the coming season.
 

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Yeah, I’d be shocked if they don’t add a piece using the TPE. A Huerter/Gallinari combo would be just what the doctor ordered.
So 2 guys who can shoot and play no defense? I guess the hope that Huerter maybe could learn to still.

Interesting. GS is going to have to rely on that young talent next year, because losing 2 key reserves is tough
 

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I don't think the "most TPEs never get used" argument is all that applicable to the Fournier TPE.

It is a means by which the Celtics can add one or more players (up to total $17.1 M) in an offseason in which the team is explicitly looking to add depth.

If they want to do a draft picks for player trade over the next 2.5 weeks, it will involve the TPE.
 

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As with most TPEs, I'll believe it when it happens. They're rarely used and when they are it's rarely for good players. It's a couple years old, but I think the point remains:

Boston Celtics: Pump the brakes on the hype for their huge trade exception - Page 2 (hoopshabit.com)
I don't know why Marks/Russillo keep using this stat. It's useless.

Would be similar to saying, draft picks have a 10% chance of being a really good player, therefore you shouldn't want the #3 pick in the draft. As though the third pick and 53rd pick are just lumped in together as draft picks.

It's counting all TPEs as equal. For example, Houston has a 600K TPE from the Theis trade. That has a zero percent chance of being used, because it's impossible.

Russillo trotted out this exact stat all last season about the Hayward TPE, then it got used and I don't think he used the stat again until this year.

They may not use the TPE, but the odds of using a huge TPE you traded assets for are a lot higher than using the average TPE.
 

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Aside from last year, Gallinari has always had a worse reputation defensively than his actual performance. He’s not good, but he’s not that bad either, and he would give us the additional scoring option we badly need to take pressure off Tatum and Brown even if it’s just for like 15 mpg to manage his energy and health.

I’d prefer taking a swing at Warren for upside reasons, but I’m also happy trust that Brad is not going to add players Ime won’t play after a season of them working together. (He obviously did this last offseason and then fixed it midseason and it seems unlikely everyone involved hasn’t gotten better aligned since then.)
It also matters that when he plays he will likely be sharing the floor with 4 other good defenders who can help hide his flaws more. He wasn’t afforded that luxury in Atlanta
 

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View: https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1542900365892489216

NBA All-Star Zach LaVine has agreed to a five-year, $215.2 million maximum contract to return to the Chicago Bulls, with a player option in Year 5, Klutch Sports CEO Rich Paul told
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View: https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1542904139423916036

Free agent C Jusuf Nurkic has agreed on a new four-year, $70 million deal to stay with the Portland Trail Blazers, @KlutchSports CEO Rich Paul tells ESPN.
I like LaVine a lot (duh) but this contract would make me very, very nervous as a Bulls fan.
 

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I like LaVine a lot (duh) but this contract would make me very, very nervous as a Bulls fan.
It's just what you pay to max guys under the new salary cap.

People are going to have sticker shock as the cap goes into the 130s/140s the next few years.
 

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So 2 guys who can shoot and play no defense? I guess the hope that Huerter maybe could learn to still.
I mean, how much defense does a guy like Jordan Poole play? You need guys who can get you buckets besides Tatum and Brown.
 

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Interesting. GS is going to have to rely on that young talent next year, because losing 2 key reserves is tough
There are a lot of Warriors fans on Twitter really upset about losing Otto and GP2 (and also not super-happy about losing JTA), but this is the NBA's salary cap/luxury tax working. $9m/year for GP2 would have cost the Warriors $63m/year due to the luxury tax penalty. Lacob seems to have hit his breaking point in terms of how much he's willing to pay for the roster. I don't think it's completely unreasonable for them to hope Wiseman, Kuminga and Moody can step up.

Meanwhile, Brian Windhorst's narcissism has taken Twitter by storm, as it took 2 minutes for him to essentially say "Utah is in fire sale mode."
 

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My hope is the Huerter deal is close.
A Gallinari / Huerter (or Kennard really) addition to this team would be an incredible offseason for POBOBS. If they could somehow sneak in TJ Warren on the veteran minimum too — that would be delicious.
 

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This clip of Windhorst with music spliced in is pretty fucking funny. That might have been the most overly dramatic buildup to nothing that I've ever heard!


"What's going on in Utah"
 

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This clip of Windhorst with music spliced in is pretty fucking funny. That might have been the most overly dramatic buildup to nothing that I've ever heard!


"What's going on in Utah"
Windy has either gone full Q or his blood sugar is too low and he needs a sandwich STAT!
 
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