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HomeRunBaker said:
1. Yes
2. If there was anything wrong with it the Celtics wouldn’t have given Utah permission to speak with him. This is as common in the league as a 20-yr old girl hanging out in a visiting teams hotel lobby.
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Also, Ainge had literally nothing to do with the hire of Hardy. He didn’t have anything to do with the hiring of Udoka.

There’s nothing even remotely interesting or “underrated” that Danny hired a Celtics assistant
 
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They added a quality starter to their lineup at a key position under cost control without giving up a future asset. I don’t understand how this is considered a bad thing. Nothing earth shattering from a Knicks view but with what was available to them in the FA market that’s a solid get imo.
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I'm fine with people thinking Brunson can be good, but they gave up future assets for him. A 1st and like 5-6 2nds, plus at least 1 player who might have had value in deals. You can't call it a no future asset deal when they only have the cap space by sending out assets.

This is classic Knicks, it's not just that they dump all their cap space every time on sub-max level guys, it's that they make moves to free up that cap space.
 
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HomeRunBaker said:
They added a quality starter to their lineup at a key position under cost control without giving up a future asset. I don’t understand how this is considered a bad thing. Nothing earth shattering from a Knicks view but with what was available to them in the FA market that’s a solid get imo.
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The funny part was the # of moves the Knicks needed to make in order for this to work.
Hiring Brunson's dad, trading out of the 1st round, unloading a bunch of signings last summer, outbidding Cuban
 
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They added a quality starter to their lineup at a key position under cost control without giving up a future asset. I don’t understand how this is considered a bad thing. Nothing earth shattering from a Knicks view but with what was available to them in the FA market that’s a solid get imo.
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They did give up assets though.

Assuming they don’t make another trade they will have traded the 11th pick for a 2025 pick likely in the mid to late 20’s (Milwaukee), a pick from the Wizards (top 14 protected in 2023, top 12 protected, then top 8 protected before it turns into 2nd round picks) and a pick from the Pistons that more than likely won’t convey until 2025 or 2026 (protected top 18 next 2 years, then top 13).

Without including any of the actual players they traded, they gave up the equivalent of a late 1st to sign Brunson for a contract that is definitely market value.
 
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They did give up assets though.

Assuming they don’t make another trade they will have traded the 11th pick for a 2025 pick likely in the mid to late 20’s (Milwaukee), a pick from the Wizards (top 14 protected in 2023, top 12 protected, then top 8 protected before it turns into 2nd round picks) and a pick from the Pistons that more than likely won’t convey until 2025 or 2026 (protected top 18 next 2 years, then top 13).

Without including any of the actual players they traded, they gave up the equivalent of a late 1st to sign Brunson for a contract that is definitely market value.
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Yeah I forgot about that part of it. It’s still marginal flotsam but def some future assets.
 
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HomeRunBaker said:
I think Brunson is comfortably a Top 10-15 PG and is being paid as such. Burks is a fungible wing who doesn’t really impact games but is a nice piece to have in your rotation. I don’t have them anywhere close to one another in terms of value or what their FA value would be.
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Brunson isn't much of a PG. Good scorer, though.
 
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Euclis20 said:
Kind of hard to say, no? Luka was the most ball dominant player over the last few years (led the league in usage in 20-21 and 21-22), not much room for another real playmaker.
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We saw plenty of Brunson on the floor without Doncic for extended periods to know he’s more than capable to play the position at a fairly high level.
 
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Milwaukee Bucks F Bobby Portis has informed the team that he’ll decline his $4.6M option and become a free agent, his agent Mark Bartelstein of @PrioritySports tells ESPN.

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Portis has early bird rights in Milwaukee. The maximum that he can sign for is 4 years/$49M. The contract has to be for a minimum of 2 seasons and cannot include an option in year 2.
 
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According to Spotrac, Beal has earned nearly $178 million in NBA salary. No matter where he goes, he's going to make many many many millions more. If you were in his shoes (not if you were HIM, but if you, yourself, were in his shoes), not having really on in the NBA, having made $178 million, and with an opportunity to go a lot of different places, would you choose to:

(a) re-sign with the miserable Wizards for the super max and almost guarantee that you'll never be on a winning franchise, never mind a championship one, or
(b) sign a large (maybe not even the max, but a large) contract with a team that, if they add you, has a legit shot at winning a title?

What would YOU do? (not what do you expect him to do)
 
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According to Spotrac, Beal has earned nearly $178 million in NBA salary. No matter where he goes, he's going to make many many many millions more. If you were in his shoes (not if you were HIM, but if you, yourself, were in his shoes), not having really on in the NBA, having made $178 million, and with an opportunity to go a lot of different places, would you choose to:

(a) re-sign with the miserable Wizards for the super max and almost guarantee that you'll never be on a winning franchise, never mind a championship one, or
(b) sign a large (maybe not even the max, but a large) contract with a team that, if they add you, has a legit shot at winning a title?

What would YOU do? (not what do you expect him to do)
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I'd sign the 5 year max then angle my way out of town within 18 months, which is also what I bet he does
 
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According to Spotrac, Beal has earned nearly $178 million in NBA salary. No matter where he goes, he's going to make many many many millions more. If you were in his shoes (not if you were HIM, but if you, yourself, were in his shoes), not having really on in the NBA, having made $178 million, and with an opportunity to go a lot of different places, would you choose to:

(a) re-sign with the miserable Wizards for the super max and almost guarantee that you'll never be on a winning franchise, never mind a championship one, or
(b) sign a large (maybe not even the max, but a large) contract with a team that, if they add you, has a legit shot at winning a title?

What would YOU do? (not what do you expect him to do)
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It really depends on what his life is outside of basketball. Wife, kids…..these would be factors. Not to mention the benefit of signing for the max then forcing a trade in a couple years. So for me it’s A.
 
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BaseballJones said:
According to Spotrac, Beal has earned nearly $178 million in NBA salary. No matter where he goes, he's going to make many many many millions more. If you were in his shoes (not if you were HIM, but if you, yourself, were in his shoes), not having really on in the NBA, having made $178 million, and with an opportunity to go a lot of different places, would you choose to:

(a) re-sign with the miserable Wizards for the super max and almost guarantee that you'll never be on a winning franchise, never mind a championship one, or
(b) sign a large (maybe not even the max, but a large) contract with a team that, if they add you, has a legit shot at winning a title?

What would YOU do? (not what do you expect him to do)
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No idea. We don't know his life situation at all.
 
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I think Simmons and Russillo had a good point on their recent podcast: are the Jalen Brunson sweepstakes the lamest ever? He's a fine player, but is he really a difference maker?
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Depends on the meaning of “difference.” Do the Mavs make the WCF this year without him? Do the Knicks catch the Cavs next yewith him?
BaseballJones said:
According to Spotrac, Beal has earned nearly $178 million in NBA salary. No matter where he goes, he's going to make many many many millions more. If you were in his shoes (not if you were HIM, but if you, yourself, were in his shoes), not having really on in the NBA, having made $178 million, and with an opportunity to go a lot of different places, would you choose to:

(a) re-sign with the miserable Wizards for the super max and almost guarantee that you'll never be on a winning franchise, never mind a championship one, or
(b) sign a large (maybe not even the max, but a large) contract with a team that, if they add you, has a legit shot at winning a title?

What would YOU do? (not what do you expect him to do)
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May is a busy month for me: birthdays, graduations, Mother’s Day.
And I hate to work for free. So maybe the Wiz?
 
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BaseballJones said:
According to Spotrac, Beal has earned nearly $178 million in NBA salary. No matter where he goes, he's going to make many many many millions more. If you were in his shoes (not if you were HIM, but if you, yourself, were in his shoes), not having really on in the NBA, having made $178 million, and with an opportunity to go a lot of different places, would you choose to:

(a) re-sign with the miserable Wizards for the super max and almost guarantee that you'll never be on a winning franchise, never mind a championship one, or
(b) sign a large (maybe not even the max, but a large) contract with a team that, if they add you, has a legit shot at winning a title?

What would YOU do? (not what do you expect him to do)
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(c) Sign with the Celtics for the MLE
 
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BaseballJones said:
What would YOU do? (not what do you expect him to do)
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Sign for the max. It's just business and there are no guarantees with your own health, with the health of your teammates or any number of factors that can help or hinder a team with a chance at a championship.
 
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With the way the NBA Is now, it’s pretty obvious that Beal should sign for as much as he can get. He can wait a year and see how it plays out and then demand a trade to where he wants to go…
 
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No idea. We don't know his life situation at all.
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Right. Everyone is difference. Look at what happened to Trevor Story and now Freddie Freeman after they left their “home” when their agents burned bridges for the almighty dollar and bigger commission.
 
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according to this site that Hornets pick is heavily protected
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

Charlotte's 1st round pick to Atlanta (via New York) protected for selections 1-16 in 2023, 1-14 in 2024 and 1-14 in 2025; if Charlotte has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Atlanta by 2025, then Charlotte will instead convey its 2026 2nd round pick and 2027 2nd round draft pick to Atlanta [Charlotte-New York, 7/30/2021; Atlanta-New York, 1/13/2022]
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Early reporting nails it. Interested to see the picks now. Spurs going all in on Wembayana.
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They have a decent chance to get the full 14% chance of getting him. Although there certainly is still a lot of competition in the west as well as Houston and OKC will playing a lot of guys in their first or second year
 
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I think the trade says that the Spurs didn't want to give Murray the super max in 2 years and are selling early rather than late
 
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CHA pick has a good chance of being in the lottery

Edit its protected.. Like that less
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Yup, 1-16 in 2023, 1-14 in 2024, 1-14 in 2025. If not conveyed by 2025, it turns into 2nd round picks in 2026 and 2027. 7 years since their last playoff appearance, and they haven't won a playoff series in 20 years (when they were technically a different team, with the same name). This likely ends up as a pick in the mid-late teens.
 
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Can the smart people explain this to me for Atlanta? Are they going to convince Trae to give the ball up? DM needs the rock.
 
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ESPN Sources: 76ers star James Harden has declined his $47.3M option and become a free agent. He keeps real the possibility of negotiating a new deal that would deliver the Sixers roster-building flexibility in free agency – including use of the full $10.5M exception.
The opt-out could go a long way in reshaping the Sixers’ bench, including that full mid-level exception, $4.1M bi-annual exception and sign-and-trades.

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Harden’s sole focus: Win a title in Philadelphia next season. Harden returned to his workout and on-court regimen much sooner than usual this offseason, pouring his full focus on 2022-23 and a championship run.
Philadelphia 76ers star James Harden is declining his $47.4 million player option for the 2022-23 season and intends to return on a contract in free agency that gives the team financial flexibility to bolster the roster, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.
 
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The 2025 and 2027 first-rounders are unprotected ATL first-round picks, per league source.

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League source confirms that draft picks and pick swap in '25, '26, and '27 from Atlanta to San Antonio in the Dejounte Murray trade are completely unprotected.
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Thanks. That makes it better for SA although the Hawks’ core is so young that who knows if it yields much value.
 
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