Offseason Rumors/News

[benhogan]

Per Kerr, Poole was the ultimate arbiter. He and Dray apparently got together and worked things out. Kerr said yesterday that the decision was going to be left to the players, which we can presume means probably JP with input from the elder statesman: Steph, Looney, Iguodala.

Loon in particular has apparently stepped up big in the crisis, being both super close with JP (who idolized him as a fellow Milwaukee prep stud, three years his senior) and an official member of the OG. Even with Dray returning, I think he’s effectively stepped into Dray’s role among the team’s core emotional leaders, with Steph and Andre. While he presumably signed off on Dray’s return, he also said it’s gonna take time for him to win back the players’ trust.

Personally: while I’m still pissed at Dray to the point where I basically want him gone (if not right now, at a date TBD, like Tommy in Goodfellas) I can’t knock the Warriors’ process of leaving it up to the players; and either way, I don’t think an arbitrary X game suspension coming down from on high (as happened with the Dray-KD dustup) really changes shit. Dray lost the respect he had among the team and among NBA players in general, and is never gonna win it back completely. Let him stew in that knowledge while he’s yapping at the refs with his teammates rolling their eyes behind him, or while he’s trying to negotiate his extension with his leverage lost.

Moving Dray, while not paying him hugely for his next contract (33-35yr old Dray's D will be much worse) helps the Warriors in the long run.

Giving DG's minutes to Looney, Wiseman, Kuminga, and JaMychel this season would probably be a push (save the past performance graphs folks- we all know his BPM is large).

Bob/Steve squeeze this last year out of Dray and move on, while JP is paid a kings' ransom.

The sucker punch did Bob Myers a huge favor ....and since I love conspiracy theories as much as the next Q follower, I say Bob leaked that video to his friends at TMZ

 

[Kliq]

Ultimately, the Warriors are the people who have the most at risk with Green not being severely disciplined. If they feel good about how this was handled, and Green flies off the handle again, the Warriors will be the team that will be crushed by it. I don't really think the league needs to step in and do anything more.

It is strange that they wouldn't just give him a symbolic suspension for the pre-season game. Even if everyone is totally cool with him in the locker room and they are joking about it now, you probably should suspend him for an exhibition game. Not doing that seems almost defiant, like the Warriors want to make sure that everybody knows that this isn't a big deal or a problem.

 

[Sam Ray Not]

I guess then I shouldn’t blame Kerr for doing nothing because he intentionally did nothing because he is so wise and has elder statesmen to do his job for him. Whatever. I’m adding overrated to my rant.

Exactly! (On the “overrated” part, too).

 

[TroyOLeary]

Per Kerr, Poole was the ultimate arbiter. He and Dray apparently got together and worked things out. Kerr said yesterday that the decision was going to be left to the players, which we can presume means principally JP with input from the elder statesman: Steph, Looney, Iguodala.

Loon in particular has apparently stepped up big in the crisis, being both super close with JP (who idolized him as a fellow Milwaukee prep stud, three years his senior) and an official member of the OG. Even with Dray returning, I think he’s effectively stepped into Dray’s role among the team’s core emotional leaders, with Steph and Andre. While he presumably signed off on Dray’s return, he also said it’s gonna take time for him to win back the players’ trust.

Personally: while I’m still pissed at Dray to the point where I basically want him gone (if not right now, at a date TBD, like Tommy in Goodfellas) I have no issue with the Warriors’ process of leaving it up to the players. And either way, I don’t think an arbitrary X game suspension coming down from on high (as happened with the Dray-KD dustup) really changes anything. Dray lost the respect he had among his teammates — who to a man rushed to JP’s side, notwithstanding the initial, sleazy Haynes report to the contrary — and among NBA players in general; and I don’t think he’s ever gonna win it back completely. Let him stew in that knowledge while he’s yapping at the refs with his teammates rolling their eyes behind him, or while he’s trying to negotiate his extension with his leverage lost.

Strongly disagree with the "leaving it up to the players" approach. That hangs Poole out to dry, putting him in a no-win situation.

 

[EvilEmpire]

Per Kerr, Poole was the ultimate arbiter. He and Dray apparently got together and worked things out. Kerr said yesterday that the decision was going to be left to the players, which we can presume means principally JP with input from the elder statesman: Steph, Looney, Iguodala.

This is about what I expected. I don't care much for the end result, but I think it was probably the right way to handle it.

 

[Sam Ray Not]

we should all be clear that Kerr is no more ethical/consistent than any other coach and less than some.

I don’t know how we’d measure such a thing, but if there were a way, I’d bet a lot that Kerr is not dead last among NBA coaches in terms of ethics and consistency (even with Ime gone, haha). I’d bet there are some coaches ahead of him and some behind him, as with most individuals selected out of a group of 30. But it’s kind of a pointless thing to conjecture about; people are complex.

Basically agreed with your thoughts on Dray, though I do believe the "spin" that the decision on Dray was to some degree left up to the players (not JUST Poole, which I agree would be unfair to him). And I think that was probably a pretty wise decision overall, given the shit sandwich Draymond left them.

 

[snowmanny]

But we should all be clear that Kerr is no more ethical/consistent than any other coach and less than some. He's doing his job, and we should hear him talking about other players through the voice of a Warrior advocate and nothing else.

You are correct. I have a particular issue with people who believe they are smarter and/or holier than everyone else when really they are about average.

 

[PedroKsBambino]

I don’t know how we’d measure such a thing, but if there were a way, I’d bet a lot that Kerr is not dead last among NBA coaches in terms of ethics and consistency (even with Ime gone, haha). I’d bet there are some coaches ahead of him and some behind him, as with most individuals selected out of a group of 30. But it’s kind of a pointless thing to conjecture about; people are complex.

Basically agreed with your thoughts on Dray, though I do believe the "spin" that the decision on Dray was to some degree left up to the players (not JUST Poole, which I agree would be unfair to him). And I think that was probably a pretty wise decision overall, given the shit sandwich Draymond left them.

I agree, Kerr is also definitely not last on any list of coaches on consistency---I really like him, and I'm just saying that sometimes people think that means he's Pop. He's not that either.

 

[tims4wins]

Per Kerr, Poole was the ultimate arbiter. He and Dray apparently got together and worked things out. Kerr said yesterday that the decision was going to be left to the players, which we can presume means principally JP with input from the elder statesman: Steph, Looney, Iguodala.

Loon in particular has apparently stepped up big in the crisis, being both super close with JP (who idolized him as a fellow Milwaukee prep stud, three years his senior) and an official member of the OG. Even with Dray returning, I think he’s effectively stepped into Dray’s role among the team’s core emotional leaders, with Steph and Andre. While he presumably signed off on Dray’s return, he also said it’s gonna take time for him to win back the players’ trust.

Personally: while I’m still pissed at Dray to the point where I basically want him gone (if not right now, at a date TBD, like Tommy in Goodfellas) I have no issue with the Warriors’ process of leaving it up to the players. And either way, I don’t think an arbitrary X game suspension coming down from on high (as happened with the Dray-KD dustup) really changes anything. Dray lost the respect he had among his teammates — who to a man rushed to JP’s side, notwithstanding the initial, sleazy Haynes report to the contrary — and among NBA players in general; and I don’t think he’s ever gonna win it back completely. Let him stew in that knowledge while he’s yapping at the refs with his teammates rolling their eyes behind him, or while he’s trying to negotiate his extension with his leverage lost.

Strongly disagree with the "leaving it up to the players" approach. That hangs Poole out to dry, putting him in a no-win situation.

Was coming in to post this. The players are of course 100% incentived to keep the peace. This approach is completely unfair to Poole.

 

[Smokey Joe]

Per Kerr, Poole was the ultimate arbiter. He and Dray apparently got together and worked things out. Kerr said yesterday that the decision was going to be left to the players, which we can presume means principally JP with input from the elder statesman: Steph, Looney, Iguodala.

Loon in particular has apparently stepped up big in the crisis, being both super close with JP (who idolized him as a fellow Milwaukee prep stud, three years his senior) and an official member of the OG. Even with Dray returning, I think he’s effectively stepped into Dray’s role among the team’s core emotional leaders, with Steph and Andre. While he presumably signed off on Dray’s return, he also said it’s gonna take time for him to win back the players’ trust.

Personally: while I’m still pissed at Dray to the point where I basically want him gone (if not right now, at a date TBD, like Tommy in Goodfellas) I have no issue with the Warriors’ process of leaving it up to the players. And either way, I don’t think an arbitrary X game suspension coming down from on high (as happened with the Dray-KD dustup) really changes anything. Dray lost the respect he had among his teammates — who to a man rushed to JP’s side, notwithstanding the initial, sleazy Haynes report to the contrary — and among NBA players in general; and I don’t think he’s ever gonna win it back completely. Let him stew in that knowledge while he’s yapping at the refs with his teammates rolling their eyes behind him, or while he’s trying to negotiate his extension with his leverage lost.

If this is true, it is completely inappropriate. The reason you have coaches, GMs and corporate lawyers is to make the hard decisions about what is good for the organization as a whole. You do not leave it in the hands of a 23 year old who is under tremendous pressure from his teammates and coaching staff to make the decision that they want so they maximize their chances to win the championship this season. You don’t leave it in the teams hands because they are (appropriately) focused on winning.
This is an abdication of responsibility on the part of the management of the GSW and it makes me really happy that the Celtics management takes it’s responsibilities seriously.
I am curious. If Draymond turns around punches JP or some other teammate again, how liable is the team for this. Could JP break his contract about it? Is there something about maintaining a safe workplace in there?

 

[djbayko]

Per Kerr, Poole was the ultimate arbiter. He and Dray apparently got together and worked things out. Kerr said yesterday that the decision was going to be left to the players, which we can presume means principally JP with input from the elder statesman: Steph, Looney, Iguodala.

Loon in particular has apparently stepped up big in the crisis, being both super close with JP (who idolized him as a fellow Milwaukee prep stud, three years his senior) and an official member of the OG. Even with Dray returning, I think he’s effectively stepped into Dray’s role among the team’s core emotional leaders, with Steph and Andre. While he presumably signed off on Dray’s return, he also said it’s gonna take time for him to win back the players’ trust.

Personally: while I’m still pissed at Dray to the point where I basically want him gone (if not right now, at a date TBD, like Tommy in Goodfellas) I have no issue with the Warriors’ process of leaving it up to the players. And either way, I don’t think an arbitrary X game suspension coming down from on high (as happened with the Dray-KD dustup) really changes anything. Dray lost the respect he had among his teammates — who to a man rushed to JP’s side, notwithstanding the initial, sleazy Haynes report to the contrary — and among NBA players in general; and I don’t think he’s ever gonna win it back completely. Let him stew in that knowledge while he’s yapping at the refs with his teammates rolling their eyes behind him, or while he’s trying to negotiate his extension with his leverage lost.

Kerr know exactly what he was doing by leaving it up to Poole and Green to work things out. Poole wouldn’t want the responsibility of insisting Green was actually punished resting on his shoulders. The outcome was preordained. Total bullshit.

imagine if someone was sexually assaulted at work by her long-tenured boss and HR told them to just work it out.

 

[BigSoxFan]

Kerr know exactly what he was doing by leaving it up to Poole and Green to work things out. Poole wouldn’t want the responsibility of insisting Green was actually punished resting on his shoulders. The outcome was preordained. Total bullshit.

imagine if someone was sexually assaulted at work by her long-tenured boss and HR told them to just work it out.

I’d like to know why the players can’t “work it out” AND the team punishes Draymond. Also, what would have happened if Poole fractured his skull in the fall and lost millions in career earnings? You gonna let the players work that out?

 

[moondog80]

Also, what would have happened if Poole fractured his skull in the fall and lost millions in career earnings? You gonna let the players work that out?

imagine if someone was sexually assaulted at work by her long-tenured boss and HR told them to just work it out.

Neither of these things happened. If they had, we all know the Warriors would have acted differently.

 

[Cellar-Door]

Neither of these things happened. If they had, we all know the Warriors would have acted differently.

I mean... maybe not the second one given what we know about NBA front offices

 

[djbayko]

Neither of these things happened. If they had, we all know the Warriors would have acted differently.

Yes, it was admittedly an extreme example meant to illustrate how ridiculous the team’s response was. We aren’t talking about a normal scuffle which Kerr would like us to believe happens all the time. A player fucking sucker punched his own teammate and likely knocked him out. It’s disgusting.

 

[BigSoxFan]

Neither of these things happened. If they had, we all know the Warriors would have acted differently.

Which is precisely my point. Or if the punchee were Steph vs. Poole. None of this is surprising in the least.

 

[moondog80]

I mean... maybe not the second one given what we know about NBA front offices

Do you really think that?

 

[kenneycb]

Which is precisely my point. Or if the punchee were Steph vs. Poole. None of this is surprising in the least.

But it wasn't

 

[BigSoxFan]

But it wasn't

I’m aware of that.

 

[GB5]

The ongoing issue at least in games and on the court is going to make this much more difficult for Poole going forward than Dray.

The NBA culture is its own entity. The way the vast majority of players around the league will view this is that Poole is “soft”, and that getting your ass knocked out is a sign of weakness.
The players on opposing teams will go at him all year about this and it will be a reminder every night that he is on the floor. He is going to need composure and a level head to get through this, because he is going to take a lot of abuse.
The NBA is a strange world.

 

[Cellar-Door]

Do you really think that?

Depends, I'd say that sexual harassment and even unwanted contact appears to be rampant and essentially unpunished in the NBA as in many pro sports... it took a long while for the Celtics to suspend (but not fire) Udoka, the Mavs are and have been a cesspool, the Suns, in other sports, Commanders, half the NWSL, etc. etc.
I assume (likely correctly) that every person involved in the leadership of the Warriors is an absolutely shitty human being and if they can get away with it they would indeed cover up sexual harrassment and assault.
People pretending that THIS (practice assaults, since it wasn't a fight) is the only area that this team is behaving unprofessionally are delusional. Pro sports franchises are almost universally HR cesspools where rich billionaire act like the worst kinds of frat bros and actively encourage/allow that behavior at every level below them.

 

[moondog80]

it took a long while for the Celtics to suspend (but not fire) Udoka,

Waiting for the investigation to be complete and make sure they have everything right while the season wasn't even going on was a bad thing, and an example of why a team would tell two parties to "just work it out" if there was a sexual assault?

 

[Auger34]

I don’t know how we’d measure such a thing, but if there were a way, I’d bet a lot that Kerr is not dead last among NBA coaches in terms of ethics and consistency (even with Ime gone, haha). I’d bet there are some coaches ahead of him and some behind him, as with most individuals selected out of a group of 30. But it’s kind of a pointless thing to conjecture about; people are complex.

I want to make sure I am understanding the statement here.

If we are talking about off the court stuff and commenting on societal issues, I actually really like Kerr. He seems like he’s a good guy and can be pretty funny.

If we are talking about strictly postgame conferences and/or talking about his team, Kerr is annoying and hypocritical as shit. It goes beyond normal “coach speak” and what other coaches do. He seems to relish calling out other players he thinks are “dirty” (much more than any other coach off the top of my head). The fact that he coaches Draymond and defends him with such zeal makes it that much worse. I have no metric for this and I dont sit around watching postgame press conferences for every team but I really can’t think of anyone who does this more than Kerr

Someone earlier in this thread mentioned Joe Maddon and that’s a pretty apt comparison (I actually disliked Maddon a lot more than Kerr honestly). But I think the even more obvious comparison is Phil Jackson. Pretty sure the postgame press conference is one of, if not the only, thing that Kerr learned from Phil. Hopefully Phil never taught Kerr anything about tweeting or we will be in for some hilariously stupid and misspelled social media posts in the future (“seriously…how’s it goink?”)

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

The ongoing issue at least in games and on the court is going to make this much more difficult for Poole going forward than Dray.

The NBA culture is its own entity. The way the vast majority of players around the league will view this is that Poole is “soft”, and that getting your ass knocked out is a sign of weakness.
The players on opposing teams will go at him all year about this and it will be a reminder every night that he is on the floor. He is going to need composure and a level head to get through this, because he is going to take a lot of abuse.
The NBA is a strange world.

I am about as far removed from it as any fan but my sense is that NBA culture is not a monolith - it cuts across age groups, program/AAU experiences, geography etc.

I wouldn't assume that Poole is going to get the short end of things. He is a generation younger than Green and given how polarizing the latter is across the league, its just not clear that Jordan comes out worse.

Regarding the Warriors decision, it seems a bit light but clearly they feel this is best for the team. Their dynamic certainly bears watching going forward - I would not be surprised if tensions between Poole and Green arise again during the season. It feels almost inevitable.

All I know is that if the police were involved like some folks wanted, it would be a tremendous waste of resources. A physical altercation between two multimillionaire athletes at a training facility is nowhere near the top of the SFPD to-do list. Please keep my taxpayer dollars out of your posts!

 

[BuellMiller]

Kerr has consistently, without fail, defended Green every time he does something like this.. there are never any consequences so Green continues to be the dirty player he is.. it’s hard to argue otherwise. He’s been treated with kid gloves his entire career so he thinks it’s his right to hurt other players whenever he has his feelings hurt. Guy should have the most suspensions ever.. I’m trying to think of any player that has tried more to injure other players on the court.. maybe Wade?

Rick Mahorn and Bill Laimbeer say hi.

 

[Jimbodandy]

Strongly disagree with the "leaving it up to the players" approach. That hangs Poole out to dry, putting him in a no-win situation.

Echo this and a couple of others who posted something similar. It's an ass move to leave it up to the aggrieved to sanction a long punishment that ostensibly hurts the team. Dray hurt the team, and it was up to management to do the right thing. That's such bullshit.

 

[EvilEmpire]

Depends on how Kerr and management did it. If Kerr just threw it to the players and said "you guys go work it out", yeah that would be bad.

If Kerr first spent some time individually talking to Poole and team leaders, and the consensus pointed this way, then I think it is fine. Did he listen to Poole? Did he listen to team leaders? It's a players league.

The Warriors seem to be pretty well run as an organization, so I doubt that Kerr just punted on the issue. If he did, I'm guessing it will come back to bite them and we'll know sooner rather than later.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

@mcpickl @Devizier @PedroKsBambino @moondog80 @JakeRae @lovegtm
@slamminsammya
(those are just the posters I recall doing work on this topic over the past season - forgive me if I omitted anyone ). You want a piece on the value of pick swaps? The Ringer's Zach Kram (who is low key very good) has you covered...

The results suggest that pick swaps aren’t anywhere near as important as they might seem. Historically, a first-round pick swap has been only about as valuable as the no. 36 overall pick. That’s worth repeating: The average first-round pick swap returns second-round value! And several team executives agree that—within the league itself, and especially in the public view—swaps are overvalued in a trade for a star.

Out of 31 times through the 2022 draft that a team could have swapped a first-rounder, it did so on only 12 occasions. That means in 61 percent of the league’s possible swaps to date, the swap ended up being worth nothing.

This doesn't settle the swap value debate for me but it at least confirms that teams are all effectively valuing them similarly.

 

[BigSoxFan]

@mcpickl @Devizier @PedroKsBambino @moondog80 @JakeRae @lovegtm
@slamminsammya
(those are just the posters I recall doing work on this topic over the past season - forgive me if I omitted anyone ). You want a piece on the value of pick swaps? The Ringer's Zach Kram (who is low key very good) has you covered...





This doesn't settle the swap value debate for me but it at least confirms that teams are all effectively valuing them similarly.

Makes it that much better that Tatum was the product of a pick swap.

 

[Smokey Joe]

Depends on how Kerr and management did it. If Kerr just threw it to the players and said "you guys go work it out", yeah that would be bad.

If Kerr first spent some time individually talking to Poole and team leaders, and the consensus pointed this way, then I think it is fine. Did he listen to Poole? Did he listen to team leaders? It's a players league.

The Warriors seem to be pretty well run as an organization, so I doubt that Kerr just punted on the issue. If he did, I'm guessing it will come back to bite them and we'll know sooner rather than later.

There is no way that a 23 year old is going to do anything to sabotage the team no matter how he feels. It is not the players responsibility in this case, it is the managements. There is way too much potential for bad feelings and resentments to linger if it is left to the players. If management steps in and says “you broke the rules, here is your punishment”. Then there doesn’t have to be those lingering doubts between the players. With this fake player empowerment, Draymond does not have any consequences (again) and JP is left feeling unsupported by management.
The Golden State Enablers have ceased to be a well run team.

 

[moondog80]

@mcpickl @Devizier @PedroKsBambino @moondog80 @JakeRae @lovegtm
@slamminsammya
(those are just the posters I recall doing work on this topic over the past season - forgive me if I omitted anyone ). You want a piece on the value of pick swaps? The Ringer's Zach Kram (who is low key very good) has you covered...





This doesn't settle the swap value debate for me but it at least confirms that teams are all effectively valuing them similarly.

This doesn't really say anything that wasn't kind of obvious, IMO. Pick swaps tend be offered by teams who will likely be good, to teams who will likely not be good, so they often do not get exercised. As with a normal trade of a first round pick, the further into the future it is, the harder the value is to predict.

 

[EvilEmpire]

There is no way that a 23 year old is going to do anything to sabotage the team no matter how he feels. It is not the players responsibility in this case, it is the managements. There is way too much potential for bad feelings and resentments to linger if it is left to the players. If management steps in and says “you broke the rules, here is your punishment”. Then there doesn’t have to be those lingering doubts between the players. With this fake player empowerment, Draymond does not have any consequences (again) and JP is left feeling unsupported by management.
The Golden State Enablers have ceased to be a well run team.

I don't think any of us know what Poole is thinking. But I bet Kerr does.

Poole is more important to the future of the Warriors than DG. I think he has agency in how it was resolved.

 

[mcpickl]

@mcpickl @Devizier @PedroKsBambino @moondog80 @JakeRae @lovegtm
@slamminsammya
(those are just the posters I recall doing work on this topic over the past season - forgive me if I omitted anyone ). You want a piece on the value of pick swaps? The Ringer's Zach Kram (who is low key very good) has you covered...





This doesn't settle the swap value debate for me but it at least confirms that teams are all effectively valuing them similarly.

This doesn't change anything for me, I have no worries on the average return on the swap. I have worries about the massive downside of the swap hitting up high in the lottery, even with that being unlikely.

I'd just never leave that as a possibility in a trade for a non-star like White.

For example, the Celtics own the Rockets 2nd round pick next draft, as long as it isn't 31 or 32. Say that pick came in at 36, the average value of a swap. I'd offer that to San Antonio in a heartbeat to get that swap back. I think there is a near zero percent chance the Spurs accept that offer.


Interesting article tho, apppreciate the link.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

The ongoing issue at least in games and on the court is going to make this much more difficult for Poole going forward than Dray.

The NBA culture is its own entity. The way the vast majority of players around the league will view this is that Poole is “soft”, and that getting your ass knocked out is a sign of weakness.
The players on opposing teams will go at him all year about this and it will be a reminder every night that he is on the floor. He is going to need composure and a level head to get through this, because he is going to take a lot of abuse.
The NBA is a strange world.

I don’t agree with this at all. Poole stood up to DG then caught a surprising punch. He’ll be fine. He’s already fine, he dropped 25 as the Warriors leading scorer the next game. People are way overthinking how this affects Poole the individual here imo.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

This doesn't change anything for me, I have no worries on the average return on the swap. I have worries about the massive downside of the swap hitting up high in the lottery, even with that being unlikely.

I'd just never leave that as a possibility in a trade for a non-star like White.

For example, the Celtics own the Rockets 2nd round pick next draft, as long as it isn't 31 or 32. Say that pick came in at 36, the average value of a swap. I'd offer that to San Antonio in a heartbeat to get that swap back. I think there is a near zero percent chance the Spurs accept that offer.


Interesting article tho, apppreciate the link.

Once again, I have worked with some incredibly successful talented and intelligent traders who hold your exact view on tail risk. And taking your/their approach has served me very well too.

On the other hand, if NBA teams are using these swaps as marginal currency, the people doing the deals either don't hold the same view or just don't plan on being around for the potential consequences. Its not a terrible bet for the GM/PBO of a mature contending team.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

Depends on how Kerr and management did it. If Kerr just threw it to the players and said "you guys go work it out", yeah that would be bad.

If Kerr first spent some time individually talking to Poole and team leaders, and the consensus pointed this way, then I think it is fine. Did he listen to Poole? Did he listen to team leaders? It's a players league.

The Warriors seem to be pretty well run as an organization, so I doubt that Kerr just punted on the issue. If he did, I'm guessing it will come back to bite them and we'll know sooner rather than later.

This is a perfect example of the limitations a head coach has on a veteran team…..and how this is a players league. The players are going to have to work this out on their own and the teams leadership (specifically Steph, Klay and Iggy) is what will or won’t get them through it together.

 

[Auger34]

This is a perfect example of the limitations a head coach has on a veteran team…..and how this is a players league. The players are going to have to work this out on their own and the teams leadership (specifically Steph, Klay and Iggy) is what will or won’t get them through it together.

This is exactly what I was thinking. I have no idea of the discussions that took place but I think the ultimate calculation was that a suspension may lose Draymond mentally for the season and the Warriors brain trust decided to take the risk that the players could mend the situation and make sure Poole was alright.

Personally I think it’s complete bullshit and Draymond should have got a minimum of 5 games

 

[Jimbodandy]

Once again, I have worked with some incredibly successful talented and intelligent traders who hold your exact view on tail risk. And taking your/their approach has served me very well too.

On the other hand, if NBA teams are using these swaps as marginal currency, the people doing the deals either don't hold the same view or just don't plan on being around for the potential consequences. Its not a terrible bet for the GM/PBO of a mature contending team.

FWIW, I'm down with pickl's thoughts on the risk here too. I just set the bar lower on what's worth the risk. And for a team entering the window when that trade was made, even a guy like White just might be worth it six years out. Said it then. If we weren't at that point where the window was just opening, I'd have questioned it more.

As far as the study of pick swaps goes, it's definitely the outliers that make the difference. Sure, most don't amount to much or anything at all. But one absolute stud pick can make all of the difference in the world. That's why people do it. Analyzing the mean average payout would be missing the point IMO.

 

[lovegtm]

FWIW, I'm down with pickl's thoughts on the risk here too. I just set the bar lower on what's worth the risk. And for a team entering the window when that trade was made, even a guy like White just might be worth it six years out. Said it then. If we weren't at that point where the window was just opening, I'd have questioned it more.

As far as the study of pick swaps goes, it's definitely the outliers that make the difference. Sure, most don't amount to much or anything at all. But one absolute stud pick can make all of the difference in the world. That's why people do it. Analyzing the mean average payout would be missing the point IMO.

I think the article's point was more how rarely the tail risk ends up kicking in. And when you've lopped off the #1 pick from the distribution, and have a ~95% chance Tatum signs a supermax that covers that period, you chop it down even further.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

We’re going to have two of the Top-25 (or so) players under long term contracts in their prime and we are still debating the value of a pick swap during that period? Seriously when’s opening night?

 

[jon abbey]

Benedict Mathurin looked awesome tonight, reminded me of young Corey Maggette, 27 points in 30 minutes on just 13 shots, 11-12 from the line.

 

[Sam Ray Not]

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/LakersDailyCom/status/1580403804553420800

 

[BigSoxFan]

Benedict Mathurin looked awesome tonight, reminded me of young Corey Maggette, 27 points in 30 minutes on just 13 shots, 11-12 from the line.

Sneaky good ROY candidate at +1200

 

[sezwho]

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/LakersDailyCom/status/1580403804553420800

Better get your popcorn ready….I’m guessing this is the first of many similar displays this season in Lakerville. They do deserve each other.

 

[joe dokes]

I wouldn't assume that Poole is going to get the short end of things. He is a generation younger than Green and given how polarizing the latter is across the league, its just not clear that Jordan comes out worse.

Regarding the Warriors decision, it seems a bit light but clearly they feel this is best for the team. Their dynamic certainly bears watching going forward - I would not be surprised if tensions between Poole and Green arise again during the season. It feels almost inevitable.

Poole's career is on the rise. Green's definitely is not. Poole can afford to take the longer view, somewhat confident that Green will nut-punch himself right out of the league in a year.

 

[ElUno20]

Better get your popcorn ready….I’m guessing this is the first of many similar displays this season in Lakerville. They do deserve each other.

Umm...it was worse than that
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CjqNuOFOUVM/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

 

[BigSoxFan]

Umm...it was worse than that
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CjqNuOFOUVM/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

He is going to be so mopey this year, even moreso than usual. I love it.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

He is going to be so mopey this year, even moreso than usual. I love it.

As many predicted his fall is going to mirror that of Iverson due to his inability to recreate himself once the elite athleticism turns into ordinary league athleticism.

 

[BigSoxFan]

As many predicted his fall is going to mirror that of Iverson due to his inability to recreate himself once the elite athleticism turns into ordinary league athleticism.

Yup. My initial impression after seeing that video is not about the huddle but how, um, "thick" he looks. When you have his skill set, you need something to fall back on. Even Kidd learned the corner 3. Westbrook has nothing. The Lakers would be better off just cutting him if they can't use his salary in a deal, which will be very difficult to do.

 

[mcpickl]

We’re going to have two of the Top-25 (or so) players under long term contracts in their prime and we are still debating the value of a pick swap during that period? Seriously when’s opening night?

It's Tuesday.

You're welcome.