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Sam Ray Not

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Hah. Didn’t want to jinx us during the series, and didn’t want to rub it in afterwards. But it’s been six days now, so I’m hoping safe to slowly reintegrate.

Beyond the weirdness of trading with a rival, I can’t think of any Cs assets (excluding the obvious untouchables) that make sense in GS in exchange for #28. A future first? Nesmith? Pritchard?
 

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Yes, but it also sets up DET as a player in free agency or in the draft trade market. Rumor is that Deandre Ayton and DET have mutual interest. DET has 5, 36 and a boatload of cap room.
Jaiden Ivy, Cade Cunningham, Ayton and Bey is a pretty good young nucleus. I think ideally they’d stink another year and get a high pick but that’s a good young core
 

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I find it unlikely that Detroit will use the $45m for anything that really moves the needle, & a Giannis 1st & some 2nd round capital is not much for Grant...buuuuut they did sign him for just cash (& a sign & trade where they gave up just cash considerations) & then flipped that for picks which is about the best case scenario for that contract they gave him at their phase of non-competence.

It's kind of a nice pickup for the Blazers but they seem pretty rudderless generally & not really sure this moves the needle.
 

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I find it unlikely that Detroit will use the $45m for anything that really moves the needle, & a Giannis 1st & some 2nd round capital is not much for Grant...buuuuut they did sign him for just cash (& a sign & trade where they gave up just cash considerations) & then flipped that for picks which is about the best case scenario for that contract they gave him at their phase of non-competence.

It's kind of a nice pickup for the Blazers but they seem pretty rudderless generally & not really sure this moves the needle.
It seems to me like they are fully in on Ayton now, with the cap space freed up by this move. I don't fully understand most NBA trades these days but this one seems somewhat obvious in its objective.
 

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Hah. Didn’t want to jinx us during the series, and didn’t want to rub it in afterwards. But it’s been six days now, so I’m hoping safe to slowly reintegrate.

Beyond the weirdness of trading with a rival, I can’t think of any Cs assets (excluding the obvious untouchables) that make sense in GS in exchange for #28. A future first? Nesmith? Pritchard?
$$$ seems like no object around there, bludgeoning their way to a CHiP has even made the Yankees blush

BUT they have no use in guaranteeing $$$ for a stinkin' late first (esp. w/Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody). Gather up a couple of future 2nds in the process

Re-Signing Otto/GP/Loon is going to be expensive even for the Warriors Death Star
 

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Hah. Didn’t want to jinx us during the series, and didn’t want to rub it in afterwards. But it’s been six days now, so I’m hoping safe to slowly reintegrate.

Beyond the weirdness of trading with a rival, I can’t think of any Cs assets (excluding the obvious untouchables) that make sense in GS in exchange for #28. A future first? Nesmith? Pritchard?
Maybe eating Wiseman if GS cares about $ even a little? I assume they'd like to re-sign Looney more than having Wiseman, and Wiseman and a 1st for a 2nd, and maybe a future 1st or swap saves them $35-40M in cash
 

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Beyond the weirdness of trading with a rival, I can’t think of any Cs assets (excluding the obvious untouchables) that make sense in GS in exchange for #28. A future first? Nesmith? Pritchard?
I'd expect part of the motivation for GS is to avoid a big tax hit from a player unlikely to contribute---so the asset is likely something smaller (a future 1 heavily protected, or a 2 and a swap, or something like that). In other words, it is not just about the asset.

I know GS has spent at a level that makes the Yankees blush, but there is some level of economic reality to it at some point too.
 

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It seems to me like they are fully in on Ayton now, with the cap space freed up by this move. I don't fully understand most NBA trades these days but this one seems somewhat obvious in its objective.
They had about $24m available before. I believe a max Ayton contract starts at $30.5m year one, so if their only goal is to sign Ayton into space, there are much easier ways to clear $6.5m without giving up their 2nd best player.

Cade
Bey
[Pick]
Grant
Ayton

Is a more interesting core to me, but we'll see what other shoes drop.
 

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They had about $24m available before. I believe a max Ayton contract starts at $30.5m year one, so if their only goal is to sign Ayton into space, there are much easier ways to clear $6.5m without giving up their 2nd best player.

Cade
Bey
[Pick]
Grant
Ayton

Is a more interesting core to me, but we'll see what other shoes drop.
they're going to be at around $56M in cap space.
 

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they're going to be at around $56M in cap space.
I thought I read $45m. Are you factoring the $12m dead?

Either way, will be interesting to see what else they try to do. Also, Ayton is an RFA so there are always hurdles.
 

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I thought I read $45m. Are you factoring the $12m dead?

Either way, will be interesting to see what else they try to do. Also, Ayton is an RFA so there are always hurdles.
SOme of the better cap people are projecting them to get to $55M.... Ah it's based on renouncing remaining FAs and probably dropping a few of the options they have (Carsen Edwards, Luke Garza, Frank Jackson, Hamidou Diallo).

My guess is they keep 1 or 2 of those guys and re-sign Bagley, leaving them probably 40+M to play with, but the options to get to 57 if they needed it for a huge move.
 

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Been out there a while. Haynes putting it out means he got a call from Klutch. Lowe talked about it on his podcast yesterday with Giovny and said the word he's heard is TOR has no interest in that.
Why would they? In this draft, who is worth Anunoby to Toronto? I'd be surprised if Toronto would move him for 1.
 

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Huh? That seems like a pretty low price for Grant, no?
Grants a $20m expiring deal to the Pistons. They reportedly want to free up space to make Ayton a max offer so there is the cap benefit there. Even if the Pistons waited until the deadline and dealt Grant to a contender as a rental what would they get in return since there would be a tight market? Probably a low 1st bc that’s what most contenders would have to offer even IF they had salary to send back.
 

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Heck I would have given a FRP and -----wait for it ------some pick swaps for Grant. Seems like the sort of player everyone could use.
 

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Look I’m not one of the guys angling for a “true PG”/getting rid of Smart but if you were to do it…

Maybe some kind of a 3-way with Smart going to ATL, Collins (and picks from BOS) to Spurs, and Murray coming to Boston?
Smart for a 25-yr old who nearly averaged a Triple-Double last season while also leading the league in Steals? Hmmm, I suppose Brad would consider this.
 

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Smart for a 25-yr old who nearly averaged a Triple-Double last season while also leading the league in Steals? Hmmm, I suppose Brad would consider this.
I know that all in ones are not exactly popular around here, but Murray's DARKO curve looks like a line graph of gas prices in 2022.
 

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Smart for a 25-yr old who nearly averaged a Triple-Double last season while also leading the league in Steals? Hmmm, I suppose Brad would consider this.
The article I linked said a “Jrue Holliday like package” so I’m assuming it would also take picks/swaps for the rest of the decade.
 

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I've just heard that they're listening & not really looking to move him absent a godfather offer, but who knows.
 

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Why is San Antonio trying to move DM?
This kids entire career has baffled me. I had him as a Top-10 pick and loved his skillset in college to translate into that 2016 Draft. He was drafted obv a lot lower than I thought then after being one of the leagues best defensive players as a rookie he tears up his knee. Then he comes back better than ever threatening a season-long “Oscar” and is somehow now on the trade block. Baffling.
 

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Why is San Antonio trying to move DM?
They aren't, but if they can get a haul it becomes interesting.
He's going to be 26, with 2 years on his deal (the best point to trade a guy for max return) coming off by far his best season. He's a strong defender, good passer... but he still can't shoot and he's an inefficient scorer, he's great at his contract, but if you won't likely be good until he's asking for a max for his 28-32 seasons you have to wonder if you can get a great haul for him
 

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Probably more speculation based on the Magic’s actions. When the team with the first pick brings the consensus #1 guy in for a workout and that #1 guy leaves only to be followed by others working out while being tight lipped it is an enormous red flag. Ainge did the same thing with Fultz in the summer of ‘17.
 

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Sportsbooks are quickly changing Banchero's odds of getting drafted #1. Loose lips in Orlando or in his camp, maybe?

View: https://twitter.com/VegasRefund/status/1539844184596746242?t=HyuaPdtF3cfYVjUKTgLuDQ&s=19
I’m getting word that it’s fake movement. Sometimes syndicates will goose a line a little with their marked accounts and start a rumor so that the market continues moving the line for them and they can get more attractive odds on the actual favorite. No promises though.
Probably more speculation based on the Magic’s actions. When the team with the first pick brings the consensus #1 guy in for a workout and that #1 guy leaves only to be followed by others working out while being tight lipped it is an enormous red flag. Ainge did the same thing with Fultz in the summer of ‘17.
Could be but it’s unlikely that it would happen so suddenly after Smith being a huge favorite all day. Where were these bettors earlier? Banchero already had his push based on such information before today.

No, either there’s insider info out there tonight, or someone is trying to make people believe there is to steam the line.
 
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I’m getting word that it’s fake movement. Sometimes syndicates will goose a line a little with their marked accounts and start a rumor so that the market continues moving the line for them and they can get more attractive odds on the actual favorite. No promises though.

Could be but it’s unlikely that it would happen so suddenly after Smith being a huge favorite all day. Where were these bettors earlier? Banchero already had his push based on such information before today.

No, either there’s insider information out there tonight, or someone is trying to make people believe there is to steam the line.
This market is so illiquid with tiny limits we are seeing bizarre movement. Smith was back down to -130 yesterday, up to -600 tonight only to drop to -110 two hours later……so there was def some Jabari talk this afternoon somewhere. All I can do is trust my read of the Magic not making Jabari know that he’s their man which is what teams do when they are picking the consensus #1.

Also, I wouldn’t be surprised to see some trading up into the Top 3. I keep having this premonition of Chet going 6th or 7th. My brain is fvcked
 

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Connaughton news is weird to me. He couldn’t make double that annually for multiple years on the open market?
Yeah. Kind of surprised by that. Figure he’d want a longer deal.
Hot Take Alert!!

I’ve heard two Connaughton interviews discussing his baseball career. The first was when he entered the league where he says that he wants to play in the NBA until he’s 30 and then pitch in the bigs until he’s 40. The second was on The Dan Patrick Show last year when he flat out says that he hasn’t given up on the dream and still has an off-season throwing program. He also said that he told Christian Yelish that who knows they may be teammates down the road.

So the hot take is that Connaughton isn’t hitting the market to find a 4-yr deal bc he wants to stay in Milwaukee to finish up his basketball career next season prior to taking his 97-mph fastball to the minors to work his way up to the bigs.
 

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I assumed the Banchero thing was more about the Rockets looking to trade up to 1 to grab him, but idk.
 

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Hot Take Alert!!

I’ve heard two Connaughton interviews discussing his baseball career. The first was when he entered the league where he says that he wants to play in the NBA until he’s 30 and then pitch in the bigs until he’s 40. The second was on The Dan Patrick Show last year when he flat out says that he hasn’t given up on the dream and still has an off-season throwing program. He also said that he told Christian Yelish that who knows they may be teammates down the road.

So the hot take is that Connaughton isn’t hitting the market to find a 4-yr deal bc he wants to stay in Milwaukee to finish up his basketball career next season prior to taking his 97-mph fastball to the minors to work his way up to the bigs.
But wouldn’t you want to lock in whatever you can in the NBA and then let that go, if he really did want to try baseball? If it were me, I would sign the largest possible deal now and then give it up later, if I really felt compelled to try baseball.

Either way, too bad Celtics couldn’t get him. He’s a nice player.