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ESPN is horrible
Their announce crew discussed the actual game (maybe) 10 percent of the time, filling the rest of the broadcast with inane NBA chatter. I'm pretty sure that most of the people tuning into a summer league game on a Saturday night on Fourth of July weekend already know about all the stuff they're yammering about incessantly.
 
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He shot 82% for FTs last year iirc, so he's as good as bet as anyone in the draft to add a 3-pointer. It would probably be more surprising if he can't add it.
I think he was referring to Robert Williams at the time.
 

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Unlike others, I am not a big fan of the Celtics reboot because I would strongly prefer a better chance at contending versus a likable team (though I would prefer both). That said, if we get to watch more Carsen Edwards as a result, its a decent consolation prize. I love the way the guy plays.
Well sure, but is wasn't a binary choice the Celtics could really make.
 

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Well sure, but is wasn't a binary choice the Celtics could really make.
Agreed. I was simply nodding to those who made comments along the lines of preferring to root for team without Kyrie versus one with him.

In any event, that is all in the past now. The good news is that we get to root for some young guys who may be fun with Edwards at the top of the list. I like Williams too though he is going to have to find some offense.
 

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Their announce crew discussed the actual game (maybe) 10 percent of the time, filling the rest of the broadcast with inane NBA chatter. I'm pretty sure that most of the people tuning into a summer league tame on a Saturday night on Fourth of July weekend already know about all the stuff they're yammering about incessantly.

It’s every broadcast of nearly every sport with these douchebags. Maybe they should watch how NBC covers anything to see how to do a better job.

The only thing I’ve seen that they are decent at is college football.
 

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You don't expect these announcers to know anything about the guys playing except Zion and a few others do you?
 

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We do, and they're paid to.
Are they though?

ESPN has zero desire to talk about Grant Williams and Carsen Edwards. They have every incentive to talk about Kawhi and the Lakers because that's what's going to lead SportsCenter.
 

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-Carsen Edwards is the next Kyle Lowry if only he could pass. As it is he’s a future 6th man of the year
-We might as well start a thread now to comprehend how good Grant Williams is at basketball without gaudy stats (outside of his +\- of course). He and Smart are going to bend minds.
-I didn’t see the improvement in Time Lord that others saw. Disappointing he still looks so raw
-Is Yabu a great teammate or a great locker room guy? The question many will ponder since there’s no point debating his basketball ability
-Tako Fall should make the team
 

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https://twitter.com/maxacarlin/status/1147649564427657217
NBA box score is missing the reviewed jumper, so Grant's line is actually 14/6/2/2/2 in 19 minutes. 2-for-4 from 3. And of course, it's Grant, so the raw line understates it
Grant was +21, tops in the game.

TL was 4 of 9 from floor, 9 points, 9 boards, 3 steals, 2 blocks.

Edwards was 5 of 12 from three, finishing with 20 points and 3 steals.

Tacko ended up with 6 points, 4 boards, and a block. He was +18 in 10 minutes.
 

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Are they though?

ESPN has zero desire to talk about Grant Williams and Carsen Edwards. They have every incentive to talk about Kawhi and the Lakers because that's what's going to lead SportsCenter.
And spent almost a full quarter plus talking about Zion as well during the Cs/76ers. We've got that to look forward to as well on SportsCenter.
 

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Tacko is at a minimum getting a two way, correct?
Agreed, but I want to add that Tacko was absolutely great at boxing out. He knew how to do it and put his body on other people to box them out. I hope he makes it as a two-way player. It will be fun to see whether he can develop into a NBA player. Oh, and he should be shooting his free throws from between his legs.
 

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Are they though?

ESPN has zero desire to talk about Grant Williams and Carsen Edwards. They have every incentive to talk about Kawhi and the Lakers because that's what's going to lead SportsCenter.
Maybe it's an old man thing, but my expectation tuning into a game is that the people broadcasting the game know who the players are. Of course they want to circle back to Zion and the Kawhi/George story and others (LAL revival, player movement), but it's not asking a lot as a viewer to have a basic knowledge of the people on the court.
 

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https://twitter.com/maxacarlin/status/1147649564427657217


Grant was +21, tops in the game.

TL was 4 of 9 from floor, 9 points, 9 boards, 3 steals, 2 blocks.

Edwards was 5 of 12 from three, finishing with 20 points and 3 steals.

Tacko ended up with 6 points, 4 boards, and a block. He was +18 in 10 minutes.
Didn't realize Edwards shot that well from 3. Those weren't easy looks either--he just lets it fly whenever there's an opening.
 

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Grant Williams is already an NBA rotation player.
Perhaps but I would recommend caution. You have seen enough of these summer league and pre-season games to know that its almost a different sport. Virtually everything about play gets considerably harder when a player is facing actual NBA athletes who know how to position themselves, understand angles and are part of an actual defensive scheme. Williams saw virtually none of that from the 76ers process babies today and is unlikely to see much of it during the rest of the SL schedule.
 

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Have we got all our two-way contracts filled? I thought we had one for Max Strus, so there should be one available, unless I'm forgetting someone, or it's being held for the second second-round pick whose name isn't coming to mind.
Strus has one already and the thought is that Tremont Waters (who apparently also looked good today) will get one.

Beyond that, if he looks good enough that some team really likes him as a developmental guy, maybe he gets a regular NBA contract. We once gave one of those to Fab Melo.
 

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Roster *hot take alert*

Kemba
Tatum
Brown
Hayward
Kanter

Theis, TL, Poirier, Yabu
Semi, Grant, Langford
Smart, Wanamaker, Edwards

2 way: Waters, Tacko


Pack Yabu. He's on the floor half the time picking up the ball he dribbled off his foot. He's dangerous, he'll end up injuring a teammate.
 

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Pack Yabu. He's on the floor half the time picking up the ball he dribbled off his foot. He's dangerous, he'll end up injuring a teammate.
He'll be on the team because he represents salary filler. (But no need to dress him or allow him to practice with the guys or whatever).
 

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... actual NBA athletes who know how to position themselves, understand angles and are part of an actual defensive scheme.
But that describes Williams. He was always in the right place defensively and on the glass. He also has an effortless stroke from beyond the arc and a very good handle for a 6-7 player. He's one of those below-the-rim guys who knows how to play, like Luis Scola. Sure, it will get more difficult against "real" NBA players, but he won't turn the ball over, take bad shots or give up easy baskets,

Carsten Edwards showed me that he can defend. He's quick laterally and strong. There will likely be plenty of second unit minutes for him as well.
 

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You don't expect these announcers to know anything about the guys playing except Zion and a few others do you?
I expect them to know you don’t need free salary cap room to trade for Westbrook but a salary match from the teams
 

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Celticsblog has a recap.

Great: Edwards, Grant Williams
Good: Waters, Timelord, Fall
Bad: Harrison
Ugly: Yabu

This video of Time Lord making a steal and taking it to the rack is interesting. He picks off a bad pass just outside the 3-point line in the defensive zone and takes it in for a nice layup. If you watch closely, his break on the ball is made before it leaves the hands of the passer.
 

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It’s great timing for Grant to hit the NBA now when a team won’t waste the first 8 years of his career forcing him to stay in the paint. Feel very good about him developing NBA range on the kind of open catch and shoot opportunities he will see all the time in this offense.
 

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Carsten Edwards showed me that he can defend. He's quick laterally and strong. There will likely be plenty of second unit minutes for him as well.
In time. But other than Grant, I don't see any of the rookies playing much, and even Grant will need to earn every minute.

Kemba, Smart, Tatum, Brown, Hayward will each be getting 30+ minutes. That leaves Edwards (and all other points/wings) fighting over scraps..
 

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Celticsblog has a recap.

Great: Edwards, Grant Williams
Good: Waters, Timelord, Fall
Bad: Harrison
Ugly: Yabu

This video of Time Lord making a steal and taking it to the rack is interesting. He picks off a bad pass just outside the 3-point line in the defensive zone and takes it in for a nice layup. If you watch closely, his break on the ball is made before it leaves the hands of the passer.

That’s how it looks to us, but he is Time Lord
 

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In time. But other than Grant, I don't see any of the rookies playing much, and even Grant will need to earn every minute.

Kemba, Smart, Tatum, Brown, Hayward will each be getting 30+ minutes. That leaves Edwards (and all other points/wings) fighting over scraps..
That's like 75 minutes a game for say 5 guys. Plus days off for load management and tweaks. Not insignificant. I'd be surprised if Grant and Edwards don't eat a bunch of that. Langford might get the slow simmer treatment in year one.
 

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That's like 75 minutes a game for say 5 guys. Plus days off for load management and tweaks. Not insignificant. I'd be surprised if Grant and Edwards don't eat a bunch of that. Langford might get the slow simmer treatment in year one.
But 48 of those minutes are the center position.
 

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In time. But other than Grant, I don't see any of the rookies playing much, and even Grant will need to earn every minute.

Kemba, Smart, Tatum, Brown, Hayward will each be getting 30+ minutes. That leaves Edwards (and all other points/wings) fighting over scraps..
I think Edwards will play his way into 10-12 minutes a night. Of course, it’s post Summer League game one glow, so I’ve basically convinced myself he’s the love child of Damon Stoudamire and Fred VanVleet, but he’s a gamer with skills this team needs, and he gets after it on D too, so I think he’ll earn his time.
 

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I tried to figure this out the other day but it gets confusing because of who plays where as many players can play multiple spots

There are 240 minutes in a game

Kemba, Smart, Brown, Tatum, Hayward need at least 150 minutes

The center position gets 48. Can GWil get some time at 5?

That means we have something like 42 minutes for Semi, Romeo, Edwards, Waters and GWil(as a forward)

I’m probably missing stuff but this is how I’m starting to think about it
 
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But 48 of those minutes are the center position.
Agreed. But Kanter won't generally be getting 30+ IMO. Some nights maybe. But there should be plenty of minutes there for TL, Theis, and maybe even GW. It will be matchup dependent of course. And depends on who earns them as well.
 

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Strus has one already and the thought is that Tremont Waters (who apparently also looked good today) will get one.

Beyond that, if he looks good enough that some team really likes him as a developmental guy, maybe he gets a regular NBA contract. We once gave one of those to Fab Melo.
It's not easy to coach height. If Fall shows promise, I'm not convinced Strus will block him.
 

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I tried to figure this out the other day but it gets confusing because of who plays where as many players can play multiple spots

There are 240 minutes in a game

Kemba, Smart, Brown, Tatum, Hayward need at least 150 minutes

The center position gets 48. Can GWil get some time at 5?

That means we have something like 42 minutes for Semi, Romeo, Edwards, Waters and GWil(as a forward)

I’m probably missing stuff but this is how I’m starting to think about it
I think this is right, but I would not expect much GWill at center. Basically, if Edwards has a significant role in the rotation, the Celtics will be running a lot of small lineups.

Other considerations:
  • Edwards isn't a point guard, so he won't be in a "running the offense" role. He's not an ideal backup to Kemba.
  • Edwards is 6'1". Maybe he'll play bigger than that, but even so, he's not an ideal SG alongside Kemba.This is especially the case because the Celtics will already be a small team this year (giving Hayward and Tatum significant time at the 4). Kemba-Edwards-Tatum-Hayward is a pretty small group to run out there alongside weak and/or undersized defensive centers.
  • On the plus side, the Celtics do have Smart and Hayward who can help run the offense when Edwards is in, so the "short without PG skills" is not a dealbreaker.
 

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I think this is right, but I would not expect much GWill at center. Basically, if Edwards has a significant role in the rotation, the Celtics will be running a lot of small lineups.

Other considerations:
  • Edwards isn't a point guard, so he won't be in a "running the offense" role. He's not an ideal backup to Kemba.
  • Edwards is 6'1". Maybe he'll play bigger than that, but even so, he's not an ideal SG alongside Kemba.This is especially the case because the Celtics will already be a small team this year (giving Hayward and Tatum significant time at the 4). Kemba-Edwards-Tatum-Hayward is a pretty small group to run out there alongside weak and/or undersized defensive centers.
  • On the plus side, the Celtics do have Smart and Hayward who can help run the offense when Edwards is in, so the "short without PG skills" is not a dealbreaker.
Yeah, if Edwards gets a lot of run, it will probably be with Smart or Hayward bench units. It’s pretty valuable to put extra shooting in those, especially if he can be active off-ball: he should have some gravity.

Also useful to have him to check 2nd unit PGs so that Smart doesn’t have to.
 

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Celticsblog has a recap.

Great: Edwards, Grant Williams
Good: Waters, Timelord, Fall
Bad: Harrison
Ugly: Yabu

This video of Time Lord making a steal and taking it to the rack is interesting. He picks off a bad pass just outside the 3-point line in the defensive zone and takes it in for a nice layup. If you watch closely, his break on the ball is made before it leaves the hands of the passer.
Don’t have the highlights, but TL also had a couple of nice passes where he anticipated where the play was headed surprisingly well. He might have better BBIQ than we thought, I’m allowing myself to dream now.