OBJ signs with LA Rams. Wait, maybe the Packers... no it is the Rams.

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This is setting up to be a case of the Patriots being the second-best option when OBJ goes to KC or Seattle
 

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I'd take a flyer. Worst case scenario, he runs the wrong route, leading to a pick six, gets stapled to the bench and stays there or is subsequently released. It's not like Agholor is running routes like Jerry Rice. If anyone thinks for a second BB would let a OBJ fuck with Mac's development they have not been following the team for very long.
 

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I'd have to think the ball is firmly in GBs court. All he wants right now is to rebuild his value.

Saints have no QB and have been winning with smoke and mirrors. If he goes there and things crumble, he's fucked.

People can come to the Pat's and rebuild value. We've seen it before. But a rookie QB and an offense that is made for short passing and spreading the ball around isn't going to get him the stats he wants.

GB has a top 5 QB, a playoff team, and while he'd be the number 2 receiver, it also means he'll have defenses rolling away from him. It's his ideal situation. If he doesn't end up in GB it's because they didnt want him, or they fucked something up.
 

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I'd have to think the ball is firmly in GBs court. All he wants right now is to rebuild his value.

Saints have no QB and have been winning with smoke and mirrors. If he goes there and things crumble, he's fucked.

People can come to the Pat's and rebuild value. We've seen it before. But a rookie QB and an offense that is made for short passing and spreading the ball around isn't going to get him the stats he wants.

GB has a top 5 QB, a playoff team, and while he'd be the number 2 receiver, it also means he'll have defenses rolling away from him. It's his ideal situation. If he doesn't end up in GB it's because they didnt want him, or they fucked something up.
Yep. Shaping up to be quite the 24-48 hours for AR and GB. If there’s any justice they’ll lose in the first round to ATL or some horrible back end playoff team.
 

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Does anyone know a guy named Mo Chanel? I'm not going to post it here because I have no idea who he is but supposedly he has broken things in the past.
 

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Does anyone know a guy named Mo Chanel? I'm not going to post it here because I have no idea who he is but supposedly he has broken things in the past.
Pretty sure he broke Julio to the pats.
 

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I'd have to think the ball is firmly in GBs court. All he wants right now is to rebuild his value.

Saints have no QB and have been winning with smoke and mirrors. If he goes there and things crumble, he's fucked.

People can come to the Pat's and rebuild value. We've seen it before. But a rookie QB and an offense that is made for short passing and spreading the ball around isn't going to get him the stats he wants.

GB has a top 5 QB, a playoff team, and while he'd be the number 2 receiver, it also means he'll have defenses rolling away from him. It's his ideal situation. If he doesn't end up in GB it's because they didnt want him, or they fucked something up.
I thought that in the early days of it looking like OBJ was out in Cleveland -- maybe a week ago right around the deadline and the daddy tweets - that one of our resident experts opined that OBJ would actually thrive in this offense because he is not just a deep threat (I'm looking at you, NA), but rather a guy who is more than comfortable running the sorts of crossing routes that are the bread and butter of a Josh McDaniels game plan.

As for those saying he will be a cancer on the team, who was the last guy who that applied to?? Adalius Thomas, maybe? It didn't apply to Corey Dillon, to Rodney Harrison, to Randy Moss -- the three most successful of those who came to the Pats with a negative reputation. And for those who came with a negative rep who didn't amount to anything here -- Ochocinco, Albert Haynesworth, Josh Gibson, Antonio Brown -- their failure to shine in NE had no carry over to the other players on the team.
 

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And for those who came with a negative rep who didn't amount to anything here -- Ochocinco, Albert Haynesworth, Josh Gibson, Antonio Brown -- their failure to shine in NE had no carry over to the other players on the team.
In fairness to him, he did die 13 years before the Pats franchise was created, so it would have tough to amount to much :)
 

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After seeing the non-penalty GB just got for Typhoid Rodgers, there seems little reason he wouldn't end up there. QB who's playing for the right for his own "Tompa Bay" situation, lots of offensive weapons to ensure Ds just can't sit on OBJ, fan base that will not hold any fuckups against him, and the League laying down the red carpet for their playoff run. Hell, OBJ goes there and Goodell probably assigns Tony Corrente to ref every Green Bay game for the rest of the season.
 

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Yeah, I feel like Green Bay is in the driver's seat here... but a man can dream. I just feel like scheme and coaching can only take you so far; it's ultimately a talent game and the Pats do not have enough talent at the skill positions, so this is worth a flier.
 

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We’ve all been down this road before - alway fun to get excited and then the players signs elsewhere - and lots of post signing tweets about how the pats were never really in the running or interested
 

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We’ve all been down this road before - alway fun to get excited and then the players signs elsewhere - and lots of post signing tweets about how the pats were never really in the running or interested
I mean, those are the breaks. Sometimes the guy signs here, sometimes he doesn’t.
 

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Is him being from New Orleans the driver for signing there? Because catching passes from Hill / Simien doesn’t sound fun.
 

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Didn't someone post something on page one or two of this thread saying that the Saints weren't in the running because they didn't have the cap space? Was that a lie?
 

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Didn't someone post something on page one or two of this thread saying that the Saints weren't in the running because they didn't have the cap space? Was that a lie?
They didn't have cap space to claim him. Signing him now is a different story.
 

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They didn't have cap space to claim him. Signing him now is a different story.
Still looks like they have less than a million under the cap, while Packers and Pats both have about $4+ million. That said, I'm constantly baffled by the creative accounting of the NFL, so maybe that doesn't stop them from offering him a one dollar salary, and twenty million dollar 'lifetime achievement award' bonus...
 

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Still looks like they have less than a million under the cap, while Packers and Pats both have about $4+ million. That said, I'm constantly baffled by the creative accounting of the NFL, so maybe that doesn't stop them from offering him a one dollar salary, and twenty million dollar 'lifetime achievement award' bonus...
He went through waivers so he'll get a minimum contract prorated. I guess a second year on the deal could change things.
 

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Does a guy as flashy as OBJ really want to go from NYC to Cleveland to Wisconsin? Not that Boston is LA/NYC, but fucking Green Bay?
 

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Does a guy as flashy as OBJ really want to go from NYC to Cleveland to Wisconsin? Not that Boston is LA/NYC, but fucking Green Bay?
Pretty sure he wants to go to whatever team he has the best chance to win/reestablish his value with. He's only going there for 2 months anyway.
 

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I've read on these pages that Green Bay is sneaky good, being so close to Chicago.
 

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Pretty sure he wants to go to whatever team he has the best chance to win/reestablish his value with. He's only going there for 2 months anyway.
I dunno man, I was in Wisconsin for a few hours once and couldn’t find anything to do better than play blackjack at $5/1 deck table. I kinda figured I’d died and was in one of the early circle of Hell.

Also, coming out of the NFC is going to be much rougher than the AFC this year I’d think.
 

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How much would it cost to have claimed him? Thought the Browns moved money around to make that more attractive. I wonder where the financial line is between “waiver pass” and “full-court press”.
 

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$7.25 million. The restructure voided the final 2 years of the deal, helping the Browns avoid a ~$13 million dead cap hit, but kept this year's salary intact.
 

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I can’t imagine Bill let’s OBJ fuck with Mac’s development. It’s a weird year in the NFL. This team can make the playoffs and maybe got lucky, why not roll the dice?
I think it can work both ways to be honest

If I'm Bill I don't sign him without a direct, voice to voice call where I make it clear if he becomes an issue he's out. Bill has shown that he's willing to pull that trigger. In that respect I feel it's low risk, maybe $1MM at stake
 

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I think it can work both ways to be honest

If I'm Bill I don't sign him without a direct, voice to voice call where I make it clear if he becomes an issue he's out. Bill has shown that he's willing to pull that trigger. In that respect I feel it's low risk, maybe $1MM at stake
BB has to be seeking in any deal a Haynesworth-style rip cord if it's not working out with the player.
 

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If I'm Bill I don't sign him without a direct, voice to voice call where I make it clear if he becomes an issue he's out. Bill has shown that he's willing to pull that trigger. In that respect I feel it's low risk, maybe $1MM at stake
Anyone considering coming to the Patriots knows that.
 
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I dunno man, I was in Wisconsin for a few hours once and couldn’t find anything to do better than play blackjack at $5/1 deck table. I kinda figured I’d died and was in one of the early circle of Hell.

Also, coming out of the NFC is going to be much rougher than the AFC this year I’d think.
We’ll I got the shit kicked out of me in Wisconsin once, forget it!
 

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I'm ambivalent about this one. My gut feeling says he goes elsewhere and I am not sure whether that is a bad thing.

He is the kind of guy who can have a breakout after a move like this, but he's also been injured a lot and doesn't look that productive.
 

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I don't know how anyone could be confident OBJ wouldn't cause any issues with Mac when he's had two QBs in his career and developed a public rift with both. I know, if that happens they could just cut him, but I don't think it's all that simple with a rookie who's still finding himself in the league.
 

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I don't know how anyone could be confident OBJ wouldn't cause any issues with Mac when he's had two QBs in his career and developed a public rift with both. I know, if that happens they could just cut him, but I don't think it's all that simple with a rookie who's still finding himself in the league.
I'd guess this very reason would be why BB would be extra cautious. So if he does sign OBJ, it wouldn't be one of those "on a whim" kind of things. He'd have to be very, very confident it would work out.
 

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I'd guess this very reason would be why BB would be extra cautious. So if he does sign OBJ, it wouldn't be one of those "on a whim" kind of things. He'd have to be very, very confident it would work out.
If they had Brady I'd jump at this in a second. Tom wouldn't tolerate any bullshit and I'd have no worries over him letting off field shit get into his head, or feel like he needs to feed Odell. The power dynamics of that relationship would also be well established. I think it's different with a young guy and I don't trust OBJ to just develop humility in a week. Bill knows all of that obviously, and if he still wants the guy I'll trust his judgement, but I don't know if his current skill level is worth it. AB right now is a much better receiver, for instance, nevermind back in 2019 when they took a shot at him.
 

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All good points, @rodderick. That's why I think BB will be extra cautious, so if he makes the move, I have to think it's been VERY well thought-out.
 

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I don't know how anyone could be confident OBJ wouldn't cause any issues with Mac when he's had two QBs in his career and developed a public rift with both. I know, if that happens they could just cut him, but I don't think it's all that simple with a rookie who's still finding himself in the league.
I don't think anybody is expressing that kind of confidence. Its really just a risk-reward question.

IMO, there is a significant talent gap between good OBJ (which you admittedly may or may not get) and Agholor/Harry, enough to make the gamble worthwhile. The AFC doesn't have any dominant teams and there is a legitimate opening to not only make the playoffs but do damage there. If we're thinking about the possibility of the Pats doing that, one of their biggest limitations is that they're capped out a bit on offense due to a lack of upper tier playmakers and, specifically, the weakness of the X receiver position. Change Agholor/Harry for a guy that presents a real problem for the defense in that role, someone who can get off the line reliably against press and who almost requires safety help over the top, and a lot opens up for the rest of the offense. And in this scenario its not only great for the Pats but probably pretty fantastic for Mac's development too as he's going to have a lot of success.