NY trade deadline thread

[jon abbey]

There would almost certainly be one of NY's top pitching prospects included in a Gray deal, whether it is Adams, Acevedo, Sheffield, or Kaprielian. Acevedo has been the most rumored and was scratched from his start today, but if Kaprielian replaced him, I could live with that depending on the rest of the package.

If this deal happens, the prospect package is going to hurt no matter who it is, but the rotation will be in better shape this year and next and will make the offseason easier in that regard.

 

[terrynever]

If Kaprielian was a Sox prospect, I'd give him up in a hearbeat for Gray, and I don't even like Gray that much. At this point there's no reason to assume he's every going to get healthy enough to produce on the field at the major league level and even if he does, it won't be for long.

I believe you are right. But nobody will know for sure until 2020. Just seems like the future became now for the Yankees after last week's trade for Robertson and Kahnle. Rebuilding was fun. Now it is time to compete again.

 

[jon abbey]

Acevedo listed as today's AA starter again, looks like the site just hadn't been updated with their recent rainout, 8 PM start.

 

[jon abbey]

I believe you are right. But nobody will know for sure until 2020. Just seems like the future became now for the Yankees after last week's trade for Robertson and Kahnle. Rebuilding was fun. Now it is time to compete again.

Well, they're still trying to have it both ways, they haven't yet moved any core prospects (Rutherford would have been untouchable this spring, but Florial's development this year made him expendable).

 

[j44thor]

Would the Yankees give up Kaprielian to get Gray? Hope not.

Is Kaprielian worth anything more than as a throw in at this point?
He will be 24 next season and hasn't pitched above High A with a total of 56 IP of pro ball under his belt.
I'd argue he is more likely to have a career like Andrew Brackman than he is to make the show.

 

[jon abbey]

Is Kaprielian worth anything more than as a throw in at this point?
He will be 24 next season and hasn't pitched above High A with a total of 56 IP of pro ball under his belt.
I'd argue he is more likely to have a career like Andrew Brackman than he is to make the show.

He's certainly missed a ton of crucial development time, but they've always said that he should rise through levels very quickly if and when he is healthy.

 

[Wingack]

So even after the trades, injuries and graduations this year. Jim Callis still thinks the Yankees have the deepest farm system in baseball.

I think that is why the Yankees will pony up for Gray and it may cause some posters over on NYYF to be put on suicide watch.

 

[jon abbey]

it may cause some posters over on NYYF to be put on suicide watch.

Maybe that 'Clown Pickle' guy will become a Twins fan, wow is he annoying.

 

[Wingack]

He is losing his mind.

 

[jon abbey]

Florial is playing for Charleston right now.

 

[jon abbey]

23 hours left and still no Gray deal, here is the latest from Joel Sherman:

"No one has to show his true intentions until Monday afternoon, and the Yankees remain the favorite if Gray is indeed traded. But there was said not to be much dialogue between the teams with roughly 24 hours to go to do it or not to do it."


http://nypost.com/2017/07/30/yankees-as-in-sonny-gray-stalemate-without-a-guaranteed-blink/

 

[jon abbey]

Acevedo pitching and Mateo playing for Trenton now.

 

[jon abbey]

16 hours to go, no news that I can see. This guy seems to be reasonably reliable:

ChristianKouroupakis‏ @TheRealCkESNY 2h2 hours ago
Source: #Yankees, #As should get deal for Gray done despite standstill on Sunday. Says Beane will, as expected, take his time.

Should add clarification: this is his speculation. Many across the board believe the deal will likely get done. #Yankees

 

[jon abbey]

This is what I wrote here on Saturday:

"I would offer something like Florial or Mateo, Acevedo or Littell, McKinney or Cave, and Mitchell or Cessa, Beane can pick the one he prefers in each case."

I think this is around where Cashman has drawn the line, although Littell is obviously off the table now (you could maybe replace him with Albert Abreu or Kaprielian). If that is enough for Beane, done deal, otherwise no one else seems to be offering more and good luck getting that much in the offseason or next trading deadline. He might be able to, but it's definitely taking a big chance.

Anyway, that's my educated guess as to where we are in this current stalemate. Maybe someone else will step in last minute, but that is a sizable amount of talent to top and for most teams, it would put a bigger dent in their prospect talent base than it would for NY, and Gray is more of a #2 or #3 on a good team than he is a playoff quality ace IMO.

 

[jon abbey]

Six hours left, no real news:

Mark Feinsand‏Verified account @Feinsand 3m3 minutes ago

Yankees and A's in standoff. Dodgers and Rangers in standoff. About six hours to go.

 

[jon abbey]

Dan Federico‏ @RealDanFederico 2m2 minutes ago

Source says Cashman/Beane are waiting to see "who blinks first." He added, "belief is it gets done. Will be an interesting last few hours."

Source also believes Florial is the holdup. "I know he's 19 but potential is higher than anyone in the system. That's how good he can be."

 

[EvilEmpire]

Dan Federico‏ @RealDanFederico 2m2 minutes ago

Source says Cashman/Beane are waiting to see "who blinks first." He added, "belief is it gets done. Will be an interesting last few hours."

Source also believes Florial is the holdup. "I know he's 19 but potential is higher than anyone in the system. That's how good he can be."

Going off of your earlier post, it sounds to me like Beane wants Florial and Mateo.

 

[jon abbey]

Going off of your earlier post, it sounds to me like Beane wants Florial and Mateo.

Or Cashman is insisting that Mateo be the main piece, and Beane wants Florial.

 

[jon abbey]

Joel Sherman‏Verified account @Joelsherman1 7s8 seconds ago

Told #Braves interest in Gray has cooled, another sign it is #Yankees or hold him for #Athletics

 

[jon abbey]

Buster Olney‏Verified account @Buster_ESPN 3m3 minutes ago

The Yankees and Athletics continue to work on a possible Sonny Gray deal, with about 4 hours to go before the deadline.

 

[Wingack]

A's apparently want 3 or 4 guys from the tier below Torres/Frazier. I don't think I do that.

 

[Murderer's Crow]

A's apparently want 3 or 4 guys from the tier below Torres/Frazier. I don't think I do that.

Agreed. Mateo or Florial alone + group c guys seems to be more than anyone else is offering. I think the Garcia trade is starting to make it clear that Cashman doubts the feasibility of a trade with Beane more than the media.

 

[jon abbey]

A's apparently want 3 or 4 guys from the tier below Torres/Frazier. I don't think I do that.

This is via Heyman who seems to have no idea what he's talking about when it comes to this possible deal, so I'd recommend ignoring him for the next few hours.

 

[Wingack]

This is via Heyman who seems to have no idea what he's talking about when it comes to this possible deal, so I'd recommend ignoring him for the next few hours.

Well, it seems the A's want both Florial AND Mateo as others have reported. Those are two top guys. And if they want a pitcher like Acevedo too, that makes three. Heyman may not be that far off.

 

[jon abbey]

Well, he was far off this weekend when he was talking about Frazier/Torres long after everyone else had moved past that stage, and I think Sweeney Murti is just regurgitating what Heyman says. We'll see soon enough, probably whether or not a deal happens, but I'll be surprised if both Florial and Mateo go as I've said from the start.

And of course, situations like this are fluid and people can change their mind, but it sure seems like Beane wants Cashman to outbid himself.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Maybe Cashman can offer a ready-made centerfielder while paying 90% of the freight

 

[terrynever]

Well, he was far off this weekend when he was talking about Frazier/Torres long after everyone else had moved past that stage, and I think Sweeney Murti is just regurgitating what Heyman says. We'll see soon enough, probably whether or not a deal happens, but I'll be surprised if both Florial and Mateo go as I've said from the start.

And of course, situations like this are fluid and people can change their mind, but it sure seems like Beane wants Cashman to outbid himself.

Good perception about the Murti/Heyman connection. They tell each other their trade rumors for validation. Murti gives Heyman a forum.

 

[Murderer's Crow]

This quiet almost certainly means something is on the verge of happening. No time for leaks.

 

[Wingack]

This quiet almost certainly means something is on the verge of happening. No time for leaks.

Unless the Yankees have hired The Mooch to fire all the leakers.

 

[Murderer's Crow]

Unless the Yankees have hired The Mooch to fire all the leakers.

I could see him in the booth with Kay....

 

[E5 Yaz]

This quiet almost certainly means something is on the verge of happening.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar

 

[Murderer's Crow]

I could see him in the booth with Kay....

Which is possible, since he just got fired...

 

[jon abbey]

While we all wait for real news, NY clears another potential 40 man spot:

Yankees PR Dept.‏Verified account @YankeesPR 1m1 minute ago
Today, the @Yankees have traded RHP Yefry Ramírez to Baltimore in exchange for international signing bonus pool money.

 

[strek1]

While we all wait for real news, NY clears another potential 40 man spot:

Yankees PR Dept.‏Verified account @YankeesPR 1m1 minute ago
Today, the @Yankees have traded RHP Yefry Ramírez to Baltimore in exchange for international signing bonus pool money.

That’s something that can be done?! How much can a team bankroll towards the International pool this way? Sounds like something that should be looked at.

 

[Snodgrass'Muff]

That’s something that can be done?! How much can a team bankroll towards the International pool this way? Sounds like something that should be looked at.

They can only add 75% of their cap total for that year.

 

[jon abbey]

The international signing money could be earmarked for Otani, he would be amazing to slot in with Severino/Gray/Montgomery and maybe Tanaka.

 

[hbk72777]

Severino is in the top 10 in pitching WAR and ERA, can't ask for much more https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2017-pitching-leaders.shtml

 

[AlNipper49]

broke out Gray trade

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/sonny-gray-traded-to-yanks.20392/

 

[hbk72777]

And yeah, this means they believe in Aaron Hicks' first half this season, Fowler and Mateo both gone and Florial a few years away.

I think Hicks isn't as bad as he was last year, and not as good as he was this year. But like MLB network talked about today, position players are cheap, pitching is at a premium. They can always go for someone else. Plus, maybe this shows that they're thinking of Harper?

 

[cheekydave]

Unless the Yankees have hired The Mooch to fire all the leakers.

Well, he is looking for work now...

 

[mt8thsw9th]

Is Kaprielian worth anything more than as a throw in at this point?

I'd rather Al Kaprielian.

 

[Hello]

All the fabulous trades from last year allowed Cashman to make this trade.

A wonderful prospect blocked by 1-2 guys is tailor-made trade bait. Now the other two guys are highly ranked, but both have significant injuries that could potentially affect their ceilings.

Plus the Yankees get money that they can use to try and replace them.

My guess is if Fowler and Kaprielian weren't currently out for the year Cashman could have adjusted the package a bit, but overall it sounds like a very good trade for both sides.

 

[hbk72777]

And for once,we get to keep everyone next year, except Garcia. So the Yankees are set for next year, without having to spend much money.

 

[jon abbey]

And for once,we get to keep everyone next year, except Garcia. So the Yankees are set for next year, without having to spend much money.

They need a 5th starter (Sabathia/Garcia FAs), and they will need two starters if Tanaka opts out, but the bullpen and all relevant position players will be back.

 

[jon abbey]

Plus, maybe this shows that they're thinking of Harper?

There's a lot for me to process here, but I think this is a good point. This thins out the OF crowd in NY's upper levels and makes a Harper move more likely.

 

[hbk72777]

Tanaka would have to be high to opt out. Not just because of his poor starts, but the tear. Can't see teams risking huge money with that. Tanaka/Severino/Gray/Montgomery/scrub will still be the best they've had in years.

 

[BigMike]

The international signing money could be earmarked for Otani, he would be amazing to slot in with Severino/Gray/Montgomery and maybe Tanaka.

Possibly, but they were also rumored to be the favorite to sign something like 3 more top 25 guys in the recent signing period, and would of course need to get money to make that happen

 

[jon abbey]

Tanaka would have to be high to opt out. Not just because of his poor starts, but the tear. Can't see teams risking huge money with that. Tanaka/Severino/Gray/Montgomery/scrub will still be the best they've had in years.

And the bullpen they have assembled behind him now has to factor in somewhat. I'm not sure what will happen with the opt-out, but Cashman has more protection against that now. Maybe they will extend him one year at the same money like they did for CC?

 

[jon abbey]

Possibly, but they were also rumored to be the favorite to sign something like 3 more top 25 guys in the recent signing period, and would of course need to get money to make that happen

They've made a couple of other trades for international money too in the last month or so, one to the Orioles earlier today (for Yefry Ramirez).

 

[soxhop411]