NY offseason 2015/2016

Wingack · Oct 8, 2015

I have advocated trading Tex and Beltran this offseason for awhile. It will likely hurt the team in the short term but I think they could get a couple of nice pieces for those guys, especially Tex, and clear some salary too.

StuckOnYouk · Oct 8, 2015

With their salaries and their health issues, what do you expect to get back for them?

Wingack · Oct 8, 2015

StuckOnYouk said:
With their salaries and their health issues, what do you expect to get back for them?

Umm, I would have to sit down and think of some players but I think the fact that they both just had productive years and are only on one year deals there may be plenty of teams interested in them, especially Teixiera. I know Chris Davis is a FA this year, but how many other FA firstbasemen are out there that can possible hit you 35 HRs next year, with the bonus that you won't be locked into a long term deal.

Could San Francisco be a fit for Tex? Would they move Belt for him? Joe Panik?

Would the Pirates want to upgrade at first defensively and slide Alvarez back to third? Would they swap Josh Harrison for him?

Heck Toronto could even use a good first basemen.

StuckOnYouk · Oct 8, 2015

There is no way SF would move Belt or Panik for him.

But regardless, I do agree for one year Teix could interest teams if the Yankees ate at least a third of the salary with no prospect returning. Doesn't he have a full no-trade? That could cause a hiccup.

Wingack · Oct 8, 2015

Yeah you are probably right, just looking for places where there might be a potential need for Tex. And if the Yankees eat a healthy chunk of the money I do think they could maybe get a nice player for him or a couple of nice lesser pieces.

Papelbon's Poutine · Oct 8, 2015

What do you mean by "nice"? Tex had a nice season but he'll be 36, coming off a legit injury and quite frankly a season that's a bit of an outlier compared to the last four or five years. Beltran had a nice second half but he'll be 39 , has his own injury concerns and hasn't exactly been a stud the last couple years.

Even if you ate most of his salary I don't see you getting much back more than a middle of the road prospect, if that. Frankly I think you'd be better off holding onto them both, hoping they start hot and you might be able to flip them at the deadline.

Again, we might have different definitions of 'nice', but I don't see the market for aging veterans that was there ten years ago. Teams are hoarding prospects and old players with injury issues don't fetch what hey used to.

Wingack · Oct 8, 2015

Papelbon's Poutine said:
What do you mean by "nice"? Tex had a nice season but he'll be 36, coming off a legit injury and quite frankly a season that's a bit of an outlier compared to the last four or five years. Beltran had a nice second half but he'll be 39 , has his own injury concerns and hasn't exactly been a stud the last couple years.

Even if you ate most of his salary I don't see you getting much back more than a middle of the road prospect, if that. Frankly I think you'd be better off holding onto them both, hoping they start hot and you might be able to flip them at the deadline.

Again, we might have different definitions of 'nice', but I don't see the market for aging veterans that was there ten years ago. Teams are hoarding prospects and old players with injury issues don't fetch what hey used to.

Well, obviously these two players are different ages, but let's compare him to what the Red Sox got for Cespedes. Cespedes had one year left on his deal and had an .870 OPS. Tex has one year left on his deal and had a .906 OPS. If the Yankees eat enough money, I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility that they could get that kind of a "nice" player.

Or a deal composed of players like the Yankees traded Prado for Eovaldi (high ceiling but struggled previously) and a solid prospect. Sooooooo maybe Tex to Toronto for Drew Hutchison and a B prospect. Something like that.

EvilEmpire · Oct 8, 2015

I'm intrigued with the potential of Ackley and Refsnyder at second base next year.

terrynever · Oct 8, 2015

Maybe Teix can go home to Baltimore with Yanks paying half the salary? Davis seems unlikely to stay. Down side is, Yanks trade him inside division. And what would Baltimore give up in return?

Pittsburgh has reaped benefits from Melancon and Cervelli. They seem to need offense. Satisfied trading partners are just a phone call away.

Trading Teix hurts NY for 2016 but next year looks a lot like this year unless Cash can dump at least two of the old guys with big salaries. Not sure Bird needs another year of AAA ball. If Teix stays, Bird will have to get ABs in Scranton until Teix gets hurt again.

EvilEmpire · Oct 8, 2015

Definitely intrigued with the offensive potential, very nervous about the defensive side.

Absolutely. I don't know how much help some reps at winter ball would be, but obviously anything the Yankees can do to help them improve would be a good thing. At the very least I hope they can make an accurate assessment about how good (or bad) the defense will be next season before making a move for someone else. Maybe they have enough information to do that already, but if not, I hope they don't do something hasty that locks them into a marginal upgrade for several years. I'd rather see Drew come back on a one year deal again than that. Assuming they could get him on another one year deal.

EvilEmpire · Oct 8, 2015

I'm not sad about Nova coming back. Maybe he's one of those guys who don't fully recover from TJ, but if there is still a chance he can pitch like he did in 2013, I'd rather find out while he is still on the Yankees. He's not expensive.

terrynever · Oct 8, 2015

EvilEmpire said:
I'm not sad about Nova coming back. Maybe he's one of those guys who don't fully recover from TJ, but if there is still a chance he can pitch like he did in 2013, I'd rather find out while he is still on the Yankees. He's not expensive.

Nova gets one more year to regain consistency. The stuff is still above average. 2017 looks like the beginning of the new era to me. If Alex sucks in 2016, they could just eat the rest of his money and let him retire.

Toe Nash · Oct 8, 2015

Teixeira would have 10-5 rights if I'm not mistaken.

terrynever · Oct 8, 2015

jon abbey said:
Just not sure how that will work in reality, there are only five starting spots and Tanaka, Eovaldi, Severino, Pineda, and Sabathia all seem safely ahead of Nova, plus Cashman called Warren a starter again today. If Severino has to go back to AAA for even a week in favor of Nova, that would be a real shame.

Severino probably stays in Tampa for all of April to keep his innings under control.

A good rule is seven starters to choose from in April. One or two will get hurt either in ST or in April. Only Warren and Severino seem durable among those top seven. Seems like Nova should get one more chance with a full ST under his belt, unlike last spring.

chrisfont9 · Oct 8, 2015

jon abbey said:
I wouldn't expect to get much, I think Cashman would be happy if the other team picked up their salary and sent back a lottery ticket prospect. I'm honestly not sure they're especially tradeable, but that seems like the first avenue Cashman should explore at least.

I'm curious who the potential partners are. Someone in win-now mode with a need for either power at that position or veteran presence, or both. Preferably AL given the mileage on these guys. Texas when Napoli leaves?

foulkehampshire · Oct 8, 2015

I could see them trading away some of their older veterans (Beltran, Tex). Both players are really DH's at this point and Arod isn't going anywhere. Another RH power bat should be signed - Cespedes/Upton?

A top tier SP should also be a priority; somebody needs to lead that rotation. I'd assume one of the Greinke/Price/Zimmerman types would be on the table. Iwakuma seems like a fit as well.

Bullpen is good. More consistent/reliable outings from SP should limit overexposure and wear.

foulkehampshire · Oct 8, 2015

jon abbey said:
I don't know what the defensive metrics say, but Tex looked very good defensively this year. Beltran is most certainly a DH, he is a statue out there.

Tex is still good defensively, but it probably doesn't help his health playing out on the field. He's had a few calf & hamstring injures caused by being out there in recent seasons.

glennhoffmania · Oct 9, 2015

While the Yankees may be disinclined to go for the big-ticket pitching items (i.e. David Price, Zack Greinke, etc.), there is expected to be real interest in free-agent right-hander Jeff Samardzija, as was suggested last week in Inside Baseball.

Some Yankees people love Samardizja for his potential, and also for his interest in the big stage. That Samardzija was a star wide receiver for Notre Dame adds to the interest for the Yankees, who see better results ahead for Samardzija. They also may see a possible bargain following a year in which he had a near-5 ERA, totally uncharacteristic for him.

Link

I'm going to spend time time trying to figure out why being a college WR adds interest for the Yankees.

rembrat · Oct 9, 2015

There's history between Notre Dame and the Yankees. How or why that factors into their decision making, I have no idea.

ThePrideofShiner · Oct 9, 2015

I'd expect the Mariners to kick the tires on Teixeira. They could use another power bat, and they have no first baseman at the moment. Add in that Teixeira has said the past that it is his favorite place to hit, and he might be willing to waive his rights to go there.

Papelbon's Poutine · Oct 9, 2015

So the soon to be 36 yo guy with significant injury history, in the last year of his deal on a playoff team, in the city his wife hand picked for him to play in, is going to waive his negotiated no trade clause to move to the complete opposite side of the country and uproot his family, when he will possibly have to do it again next year if he doesn't retire, to play for a team that is probably fourth in its division going into next year and hasn't made the playoffs in a long time... because it's his favorite place to hit?

Yeah, I'm having trouble seeing that, but I guess I could be being unreasonable.

Papelbon's Poutine · Oct 9, 2015

Wingack said:
Well, obviously these two players are different ages, but let's compare him to what the Red Sox got for Cespedes. Cespedes had one year left on his deal and had an .870 OPS. Tex has one year left on his deal and had a .906 OPS. If the Yankees eat enough money, I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility that they could get that kind of a "nice" player.

Or a deal composed of players like the Yankees traded Prado for Eovaldi (high ceiling but struggled previously) and a solid prospect. Sooooooo maybe Tex to Toronto for Drew Hutchison and a B prospect. Something like that.

But why would you compare him to Cespedes? You can't ignore the age gap, especially in the current climate. You can't ignore the injury history and poor performance of Tex the last couple years, despite a nice dead cat bounce back this season before, oh yeah, getting hurt again. You can't ignore the draft pick compensation attached to Cespedes that isn't there with Tex - I think it's fair to say DD factored that in to both acquiring and sending away Cespedes and it's not there with Tex. You can't ignore the positional difference either, as slugging COFs are harder to find now. Again, I don't see you getting much more than either salary relief or low levels prospects for him, assuming you could get him to waive his ntc. I think Hutchinson and B level type packages are a pipe dream, but to each their own.

Murderer's Crow · Oct 10, 2015

I would agree with that except they're losing CC and Teix over the next couple years no matter what. It would only need to be temporary if they jumped that high and wanted to go back down. Regardless, I'd love to see a more strategic offseason where Cashman does more than acquire the Stephen Drews of the league for defensive purposes.

Average Reds · Oct 10, 2015

Papelbon's Poutine said:
But why would you compare him to Cespedes? You can't ignore the age gap, especially in the current climate. You can't ignore the injury history and poor performance of Tex the last couple years, despite a nice dead cat bounce back this season before, oh yeah, getting hurt again. You can't ignore the draft pick compensation attached to Cespedes that isn't there with Tex - I think it's fair to say DD factored that in to both acquiring and sending away Cespedes and it's not there with Tex. You can't ignore the positional difference either, as slugging COFs are harder to find now. Again, I don't see you getting much more than either salary relief or low levels prospects for him, assuming you could get him to waive his ntc. I think Hutchinson and B level type packages are a pipe dream, but to each their own.

We've discussed this before, but there is no draft pick compensation with Cespedes. His original contract with Oakland does not allow for arbitration.

This is the primary reason Cespedes was traded four times in a year. No team wanted to keep him unless he was a critical piece for their playoff hopes.

RedOctober3829 · Oct 20, 2015

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The Yankees just announced that earlier today, RHP Masahiro Tanaka had arthroscopic surgery to remove a bone spur..

E5 Yaz · Oct 27, 2015

jon abbey said:
So I think if NY is going to go after any big free agents, they will need to clear salary first. With the emergence of Gary Sanchez in AAA and the AFL (still not 23 until December although it seems he has been around forever, he was the #30 overall prospect back in 2010), I wonder if NY could move McCann and Gardner for whatever they could get, they have 3/51 and 3/39.5 remaining respectively. That would free up annual money for a big run at Jason Hayward, and he is only 26 so even a very lengthy deal might be ok, and they let Murphy and Sanchez try to handle C.

The Red Sox have the same problem, obviously, with Hanley and/or Sandoval. But the issue for both teams is that no one is going to take on those entire contracts. That $90M isn't going to completely come off the books.

There was only one Punto Trade to be made. No one else has that kind of money -- except the teams who want to dump the contracts

Papelbon's Poutine · Oct 27, 2015

I think Gardner would be easy to move and probably the only one of the four mentioned with any chance of going without a large subsidy. McCann not so much, I think he's more akin to Pablo/Ramirez.

Wingack · Oct 27, 2015

jon abbey said:
So I think if NY is going to go after any big free agents, they will need to clear salary first, and as we've said, Cashman's main offseason goal should be to try to continue to get younger position players.

With the emergence of Gary Sanchez in AAA and the AFL (still not 23 until December although it seems he has been around forever, he was the #30 overall prospect back in 2010), I wonder if NY could move McCann and Gardner for whatever they could get, they have 3/51 and 3/39.5 remaining respectively. That would free up annual money for a big run at Jason Hayward, and he is only 26 so even a very lengthy deal might be ok, and then they let Murphy and Sanchez try to handle C.

That would make them a lot younger at two more positions, you could potentially have a 2017 lineup of:

C-Murphy/Sanchez
1B-Bird
2B-Mateo
SS-Gregorius
3B-Headley
LF-Hayward
CF-Ellsbury
RF-Judge
DH-A-Rod (last year of his deal)

I definitely like the idea of trying to move Gardner to free up space for Hayward.

If I was Cash I would also consider dangling Betances to see what kind of interest there is out there for him. He is young and cheap but he is just a reliever. And if they could move him for young and cheap somewhere else on the diamond I would support that move.

Wingack · Oct 27, 2015

jon abbey said:
That really would put a hole in the bullpen though, especially since NY had so much trouble finding a second righty reliever all season. That woud probably make Warren the eighth inning guy and take him out of rotation consideration, with Wilson, Lindgren and Shreve (all lefties) I guess competing for the 3rd and 4th reliever spots (6th/7th inning) and Miller remaining as the lefty closer.

But yeah, I guess if they could move say, Betances and Headley for a younger/better/cheaper 3B, they'd have to seriously consider it.

Cashman's real strength, and we have seen it time and time again, is building and rebuliding bullpens. I think it would be smart to take advantage of that.

Murderer's Crow · Oct 27, 2015

Wingack said:
Cashman's real strength, and we have seen it time and time again, is building and rebuliding bullpens. I think it would be smart to take advantage of that.

I agree, especially because we have had a great pen for a long time and it hasn't gotten us jack.

Zupcic Fan · Oct 27, 2015

Don't know what the Yankees fans on here think, but as a long time Met/Yankee watcher, I think this is a gigantic off season for the Yankees. I think New York is about to turn Met once again after a very long time off. Two reasons: 1) the Yankees, although they have a good team, no longer have the kind of players that Yankee fans love. there are no Jeters, Marinos, Paul O Neill's, etc etc etc. I mean who could love Chase Headiy, the current version of Jacoby Ellsbury, Texiera, etc etc. They're all good ballplayers, but they don't generate the same emotions. And so many fans hate ARod. And the Mets are just the opposite: The City will go nuts over all those pitchers for a bunch of years, I suspect.

So I think the Yankees need to make big decisions to capture the City again this year.

EvilEmpire · Oct 28, 2015

So I think if NY is going to go after any big free agents, they will need to clear salary first, and as we've said, Cashman's main offseason goal should be to try to continue to get younger position players.

With the emergence of Gary Sanchez in AAA and the AFL (still not 23 until December although it seems he has been around forever, he was the #30 overall prospect back in 2010), I wonder if NY could move McCann and Gardner for whatever they could get, they have 3/51 and 3/39.5 remaining respectively. That would free up annual money for a big run at Jason Hayward, and he is only 26 so even a very lengthy deal might be ok, and then they let Murphy and Sanchez try to handle C.

It's not a bad idea, but McCann has a full no trade, so that part of it might be tough unless there was someplace he'd rather be.

Wingack · Nov 9, 2015

Cashman says he is willing to listen on Andrew Miller. Would require an ace pitcher (Heyman suggests Strasburg) or another huge piece to pry him away. I LOVE what Cashman is thinking here.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/25367845/yankees-gm-cashman-willing-to-listen-to-offers-for-closer-andrew-miller

rembrat · Nov 9, 2015

That's not going to work in the offseason where GMs can simply buy a reliever.

RIrooter09 · Nov 9, 2015

Wingack said:
Cashman says he is willing to listen on Andrew Miller. Would require an ace pitcher (Heyman suggests Strasburg) or another huge piece to pry him away. I LOVE what Cashman is thinking here.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/25367845/yankees-gm-cashman-willing-to-listen-to-offers-for-closer-andrew-miller

He should try trading Dustin Ackley for Sonny Gray while he's at it.

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