I had Covid in early August. My energy levels are just now back to normal. I experienced exercise fatigue for weeks.Wonder how fast it takes these guys to get back into game shape having been quarantined? Pro athletes of course, but baseball is so much timing.
Yup. Tatum was a good example this winter for the Celtics. Have to hope these returnees are of the less extreme variety.I had Covid in early August. My energy levels are just now back to normal. I experienced exercise fatigue for weeks.
Pro athletes are mostly in peak physical condition but even then I’ve known some Ironman triathletes knocked out for months as a result. Pretty much just fatigued.
I am just guessing here, but I think some people are virtually asymptomatic while testing positive. I get the impression that Arroyo is/has been sicker than the other guys. Cora reported that X was doing pushups, etc. in his hotel room. Seems to indicate that he didn't feel that bad.Yup. Tatum was a good example this winter for the Celtics. Have to hope these returnees are of the less extreme variety.
As long as we don't have to hold our manhoods cheap.Updated.
Also, lurkers not yet posting, shall think themselves uncool they were not here, and hold their gamethreads lame, while any posts who groaned with us through the Motter Era.
I repeat my previous comment.Shut the whole season down.
This whole thing is a joke.
Damn straight.Mask up. Socially distance.
Insist those around you mask up. Insist those around you socially distance.
Get the org. to take distancing precautions.
(It's like people don't understand what a vaccination is and what it's not.)
Smallest clubhouse in the majors, no? Not saying that explains everything.Thinking out loud as I wonder... What are the Sox doing differently from other clubs (if anything) as far as in house protocols that go above and beyond MLB protocols. Or (same question asked differently), what are other clubs doing differently from Boston? Why at this particular time during the pandemic is Boston being infected more than any other team this season and perhaps even more than some teams were infected last season? This was bound to happen to at least one team, but why The Red Sox? I'm guessing that these questions all have the same or a similar answers, yet the fact that it continues is alarming. Masking and social distancing are obvious considerations when pondering all this, but there has to be something more. I can not help but to think that there is some outside source that's not been considered. Nothing ominous, but some common denominator that's not being seen or properly addressed.
My apologies - I thought we were not to discuss individual players but that what the org. was doing was fair play. I'll delete accordingly.The discussion of how the team, players, and MLB have handled this belongs in the V&N thread. This thread is for news and how players going on and off the Covid IL and what it means regarding the line up, in game strategy, etc..
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We have posted numerous times on this subject. No more warnings or reminders.
Assuming nobody else goes to the COVID IL, my guess is:Assuming Sale Barnes and Arroyo/Arauz come back, we're running into tough choices: do we really want them to displace Iggy? Shaw?[/INDENT]
Looks like this weekend. I think he had the worst of it.When exactly is Arroyo expected back? He’s been out since 8/26 and has 11 plate appearances in the last two months. Would certainly put him on a hypothetical playoff roster over Arauz, but not sure how much playing time he’ll get.
Fair, but IMHO that's not a consideration until a playoff berth is clinched.IIRC, Iggy can't be on a post-season roster. So that has to be considered - the trade off between letting him play in final games, and getting his replacement back up to speed.
I think Arroyo needs to be back on the roster so they can figure out if he's going to be on the post season roster. I know that you need to get there first, but IMO there's more room for him on the 28 man than Arauz.Daily update: I'm just gonna update this as we go. Moves are now by transaction date, actual games played the player missed noted in parens on return. (This may capture a normal off day or two.)
Gone and Back.
Christian Arroyo: Aug. 27 (+ test) (more severe symptoms than others per Cora on 9/7)Enrique Hernandez: Aug. 27 (+ test)return: Sept. 7 (missed 11 games)Martin Perez: Aug. 30 (+ test)return: Sept. 14 (missed 13 games)Matt Barnes: Aug. 30 (+ test)Josh Taylor: Aug. 31 (? test - 7 day minimum for a close contact.)return: Sept. 6. (missed 7 games)Hirokazu Sawamura: Aug. 31 (+ test)return: Sept. 13 (missed 12 games)Xander Boegarts: Sept. 1. (+ test)return: Sept. 10. (missed 9 games counting 8/31 removal)Yario Munoz: Sept. 1. (+ test)Jarod Durran: Sept. 3 (+ test - symptoms before test)Nick Pivetta: Sept. 5. (+ test)return: Sept 12. (started on 8/30, then 9/12)Danny "Power and Speed" Santanner: Sept 5. (Negative test, but fielding poorly)return: Sept. 7 (missed 2 games)Second Covid IL: Sept. 11. (+ test)Chris Sale: Sept. 10 (+ test)Jonathan Arauz: Sept. 10 (Negative test, but symptoms)Phillips Valdez: Sept. 12 (+ test)
Total 13 Covid-impacted players. And Santana, who might count twice?
Active Callups and Returns from Covid:
Jonathan Arauz: Aug. 27(Covid symptoms 9/10)Yario Munoz: Aug. 27(Covid on 9/1)Phillips Valdez: Aug. 30(Covid on 9/12)Raynel Espinal: Aug. 30(down 8/31)Stephen Gonsalves: Aug. 31(down 9/13)Brad Peacock: Aug. 31(down 9/11)second call-up: Sept. 12(down 9/13)(Renfroe returns from bereavement leave: 8/31)Roster Expansion 9/1 to 28 players
John Schreiber: Sept. 1(down on 9/6)Jack Lopez: Sept. 1(down on 9/6)second call-up: Sept. 11Danny "Power and Speed" Santanner: Sept. 1(to IL with Covid symptoms on 9/5)returned on 9/7(to IL with something, 9/11)Ryan Brasier: Sept. 1Connor Wong: Sept. 3(down on 9/4)Taylor Motter: Sept 4 (claimed off waivers from Rockies 9/2)(DFA 9/7, outrighted to Wor. 9/10)Kutter Crawford: Sept. 5(down on 9/6)Franchy Cordero: Sept. 5(down on 9/7)Josh Taylor: Sept. 6 (return from Covid close contact)Michael Feliz: Sept. 6 (free agent - released by Reds 8/25)Jose Iglesias: Sept. 6 (free agent - released by Angels 9/3)Enrique Hernandez: Sept. 7 (return from Covid, + test)Darwinzon Hernandez: Sept. 10Kaleb Ort: Sept. 10(down on 9/14)Xander Boegarts: Sept. 10. (return from Covid + test)(9/10 Austin Davis to Paternity list - hence 3 additions on 9/10, returned 9/13)Connor Seabold: Sept. 11(down on 9/12) (Made one start 9/11)Nick Pivetta: Sept 12. (started on 9/12)Hirokazu Sawamura: Sept. 13Martin Perez: Sept. 14Assuming Sale Barnes and Arroyo/Arauz come back, we're running into tough choices: do we really want them to displace Iggy? Shaw?
I don't think both Arroyo and Arauz will be on the playoff roster. One yes, not both. But ... let's make it first. Then someone can start the thread right quick about the roster before it's announced ...You don’t have to worry too much about the playoff roster for the wild card game, and you don’t need as many pitchers even in the best of five divisional round. So you could keep Arroyo and Arauz, I think.
Only if you make it to the ALCS do you have to spend a lot of time thinking about the end of the roster. I think it’s premature to think about really.
I understand not putting the cart before the horse but the conversation above is about what to do with players returning from the covid IL. Iggy and Shaw are contributing now and when A&A return there isn't going to be room for all four guys. IMO Arroyo needs playing time to knock the rust off and hopefully be an asset in the post season. I think Arroyo gets the nod over Arauz, and takes Lopez' spot while Iggy and Shaw remain for the last two weeks.I don't think both Arroyo and Arauz will be on the playoff roster. One yes, not both. But ... let's make it first. Then someone can start the thread right quick about the roster before it's announced ...
I don't think both Arroyo and Arauz will be on the playoff roster. One yes, not both. But ... let's make it first. Then someone can start the thread right quick about the roster before it's announced ...
That's right, final slot likley between those three. Santana can cover the most positions as last man on bench so wouldn't be surprised if they put him on the roster. Duran best pinch run option. Either way, I think both get the nod over Arauz. Wildcard would be Wong, to allow regular pinch hitting for a catcher.assuming perfect health….
Sale, Eovaldi, E-Rod, Pivetta
Houck, Whitlock, Barnes, Taylor, Sawa, Otto, Davis, Robles, Richards, Hernandez (need to drop at least one of these and perhaps two…in a short series, Pivetta seems at risk…not sure you need three lefties and who knows about Barnes….)
Verdugo, Hernandez, Renfroe, Martinez, Schwarber
Devers, Bogaerts, Arroyo, Dalbec, Shaw
Vazquez, Plawecki
With thirteen pitchers, you have one more slot left and it seems to come down to Duran or Arauz (I guess Santana is theoretically a consideration).
Definitely - Iggy and Shaw remain IMO, and Shaw will be on post reason roster if they get there. Duran, Aaruz, Santana, Valdez can be stashed in the minors because of options or rehab stint, so no regular season roster accommodation necessary. Arroyo would be useful to get playing time, and that means you have to send one guy down. In discussions previous to this, the conjecture was Lopez/Feliz down with Barnes/Sale up. Arroyo up would mean - I'm going to venture to guess - they drop an additional pitcher from their list of 16 on the roster!I understand not putting the cart before the horse but the conversation above is about what to do with players returning from the covid IL. Iggy and Shaw are contributing now and when A&A return there isn't going to be room for all four guys. IMO Arroyo needs playing time to knock the rust off and hopefully be an asset in the post season. I think Arroyo gets the nod over Arauz, and takes Lopez' spot while Iggy and Shaw remain for the last two weeks.
and yeah, my guess in that they carry 13 pitchers in the post season ...meaning likely one of Davis, Robles, or Richards from your list doesn't make it if everyone healthy ...assuming perfect health….
Sale, Eovaldi, E-Rod, Pivetta
Houck, Whitlock, Barnes, Taylor, Sawa, Otto, Davis, Robles, Richards, Hernandez (need to drop at least one of these and perhaps two…in a short series, Pivetta seems at risk…not sure you need three lefties and who knows about Barnes….)
Verdugo, Hernandez, Renfroe, Martinez, Schwarber
Devers, Bogaerts, Arroyo, Dalbec, Shaw
Vazquez, Plawecki
With thirteen pitchers, you have one more slot left and it seems to come down to Duran or Arauz (I guess Santana is theoretically a consideration).
Would certainly put him on a hypothetical playoff roster
I think it’s premature to think about really.
So, do you want to talk about the playoffs or not?need to drop at least one of these and perhaps two…in a short series
Touche. I mean, it is a premature to worry about too much….but I will still do it!So, do you want to talk about the playoffs or not?
Maybe? Sox are hopeful. Apparently he needs to be cleared by a committee.Is Sale starting today? His last start was 10 days ago, so basically he's missed only one start. That means he won't really need to ramp up again. Hopefully around 80-90 pitches today and then back up a normal load next start.
I imagine they have a contingency plan in place since Sale's availability is out of their hands. Most likely a bullpen game as everyone has had at least one day of rest. There's also a chance of starting Pivetta tonight and hoping for Sale to be cleared for tomorrow.Seems like it's a little late to make a decision on who starts tonight. Would they be better off just picking someone else for tonight?
But if you pitch him tonight, it would line up for him to pitch game 162 (if needed), or the WC game if not needed. That feels more ideal to me, MFY series be damned.His last start couldn’t be after the 29th if he were to pitch in a WC or tiebreaker game. That date would also allow him to pitch next Friday against the MFY. If that’s the plan, the ideal would be for him to pitch tomorrow so he could get five days of rest before going every five days after that. So:
Saturday, Sept. 18th
Friday, Sept. 24th
Wednesday, Sept. 29th
Monday, Oct. 4th for any extra games
Per the MLB transactions page https://www.mlb.com/redsox/roster/transactionsSale is a go for tonight per Cora. Barnes still a question mark.
View: https://twitter.com/alexspeier/status/1438941824559812613
Barnes pitched on Wednesday for the Sea Dogs. Sounds like he's returned from that assignment. There's a different intake process returning to the club from any affiliate other than AAA (different protocols for "Tier 1" which is MLB/AAA). Don't know how vaccination status impacts that, so that could be the reason for Barnes being up in the air.Per the MLB transactions page https://www.mlb.com/redsox/roster/transactions
Barnes has been assigned to Portland for 2 days, and Arroyo to Wor.
But they're not actually there, I take it?