Non-Celtic Trade Rumor Thread

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Or positioning themselves for the summer free agent market. Maybe they think Bosh is a better fit?
 

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Odd---Marc Gasol has one year left after this one, so it's not particularly likely to be about keeping him happy (though that can't be ruled out as a motive).
 

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With the looming possibility of Carmelo Anthony departing New York as a free agent this summer, New York Knicks officials have discussed proposing a trade for the Los Angeles ClippersBlake Griffin, according to league sources.
 
Sources say Clippers management has also had internal discussions about such a deal but that the clubs have not yet spoken to one another about a potential trade.
As of now, neither team is certain of whether it would make an Anthony-for-Griffin trade, the sources said.
The Clippers appear to be the more apprehensive of the two teams because Griffin is having a terrific year, especially of late. The 24-year-old power forward has averaged 26 points and nearly 11 rebounds over his last 10 games.
One source close to the situation said the Clippers' latest internal discussion ended in favor of keeping Griffin. New York's top priority appears to be resigning Anthony to a long-term deal this offseason. But with the Knicks struggling badly and Anthony refusing to give assurances that he will return, the Knicks understand they must at least consider other options.
The Clippers are on the Knicks' radar because it is an open secret throughout the league that Anthony and the Clippers star point guard, Chris Paul, have wanted to play together since 2010. That sentiment among the two players has not changed, according to sources.
If the Knicks decide to explore a trade for Anthony, he will have plenty of say as to where he goes because of his impending free agency. No club will offer anything of value for him without knowing he will re-sign with it this summer.
With Paul having recently signed a five-year, $107 million deal with the Clippers, Anthony, who has a home in Los Angeles, would almost certainly re-sign with the Clippers.
 
http://espn.go.com/espn/print?id=10233011&type=story
 

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Under no circumstances should the Clips do that trade.

Now, Chandler for Griffin, I'd consider that one long and hard (assuming he's healthy, of course). Also, IIRC, CP3 and Chandler are friends.
 

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DeAndre Jordan and Chandler together don't seem like the best fit. Plus Chandler doesn't look like the guy he was a few years ago.  No chance I make that trade if I'm the Clips either, lose way too much offensive production.
 

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I would not believe any of the rumors involving the Knicks or Lakers. You read something silly every other day.
 

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The only way this trade works is a package: Griffin, Jordan, plus filler like the mistake contracts to Jared Dudley and Matt Barnes for Chandler and Melo plus bench fodder.
 
I still don't love it for the Clippers, despite Chandler's excellence when healthy. However, I hated the Bledsoe trade and you know Chris Paul was the driving force on that one.
 

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Jared Dudley is making 4.25 / season. That is not a "mistake" contract for what he offers.
 
Dudley had a nice run with the Suns but is a pretty marginal player with the Clippers. They have to play him a lot because Matt Barnes hurt his eye. Now, a good bit of Dudley's decline with the Clippers is fit and offensive philosophy, but Dudley's is 28 and has two more years after this one. It's not a huge mistake but their money would be better allocated elsewhere, especially for a team with no depth like the Clippers.
 
The good news for the Celtics is now that Chris Paul is out, the Clippers should start falling in the standings, and fast.
 

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Devizier said:
 
 
 
The good news for the Celtics is now that Chris Paul is out, the Clippers should start falling in the standings, and fast.
Why would the Celtics care? We don't have the Clips pick this year.
 

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Why would the Celtics care? We don't have the Clips pick this year.
Yep, you're right, 2015.
 
But fuck 'em anyways. Maybe they can have a spiraling collapse that rolls into next year like the Nets.
 

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The Pelicans are actively shopping Eric Gordon. Not that I'm particularly high on the vastly overpaid Gordon, but it might be an opportunity to unload Gerald Wallace.
 

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Wallace wouldn't be the only piece going out. Maybe the Celtics add Bass, and take back someone like Aminou and a first rounder.
Again, I don't particularly like Gordon, but a year from now he will likely be a much more useful trade chip than Wallace. You can also construct three team scenarios.
 

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I wouldn't touch Gordon with a ten foot pole. And The Pelicants aren't taking back a pure salary dump in the exchange. Just say no.
 

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That's not the problem, the problem is that the Pelicans wouldn't make it. To eat that $44 million in exchange for Gordon they're going to want Boston's draft wad.
 

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Gordon costs the Pelicans more through 2016 than Wallace and Bass combined. But on second thought, the C's can probably get more for a Bass in a different type of deal.
 

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Gordon costs the Pelicans more through 2016 than Wallace and Bass combined. But on second thought, the C's can probably get more for a Bass in a different type of deal.
 
By 600k. And that's assuming Gordon picks up his player option in 2015/2016. And while 15 million is a lot to say no to, we've seen a ton of players opt out to get more guaranteed money rather than risk an injury.
 

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Yeah, my comment was sarcastic.
 
The best hope the Pelicans have is that the Knicks or Nets decide to "get younger" and shave off a year or two of his future obligations.
 

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Pelicans aren't taking our garbage for Gordon. They are looking for a big man. Even if Gordon is overpaid and oft injured he's a really good player. Bass is maybe average and overpaid Wallace is one of the 5 or so worst player/contract combinations in the league.
 

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Pelicans aren't taking our garbage for Gordon.
The Pelicans will likely be unable to trade Gordon and will eat his contract unless they can negotiate a buyout. So it's garbage or nothing. And does anyone seriously think Gordon won't exercise his option?

Gordon is David Wesley without Wesley's good defense. Plus, Gordon is fragile. The Pelicans won't get shit for him.
 

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The Pelicans will likely be unable to trade Gordon and will eat his contract unless they can negotiate a buyout. So it's garbage or nothing. And does anyone seriously think Gordon won't exercise his option?

Gordon is David Wesley without Wesley's good defense. Plus, Gordon is fragile. The Pelicans won't get shit for him.
 
Plenty of people will express interest in Gordon. He's a pretty good buy low candidate, because he's still young, and if he were to stay healthy is a very talented player.
 
As for the option: Let's say Gordon continues to play at his current level. He's a strong outside shooter scoring 15 points per game. He could easily get a Kevin Martin sized deal, something like 28-30 million over 4 years. Not picking up the option, in that case, would mean a fragile player is risking a guaranteed 12-14 million dollars. You see this very, very regularly in the NBA. Young guys always lock in the guaranteed money.
 

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Pelicans aren't taking our garbage for Gordon. They are looking for a big man. Even if Gordon is overpaid and oft injured he's a really good player. Bass is maybe average and overpaid Wallace is one of the 5 or so worst player/contract combinations in the league.
 
Boy, I disagree there.
 
First, the oft-injured caveat is an elephant far too large to ignore. Gordon has played one game over a full season's worth over the last three seasons.
 
Even when he's healthy he's a pure gunner. There's value to someone taking the burden of the offense on their back, but not when their shooting ain't so great. And it's not like Gordon is going to contribute defensively or on the boards, either. For max dollars, you'd hope for a lot better. The Pelicans aren't going to get their big man in return for him, unless his name is Andrea Bargnani.
 

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But that's the point, if all they want to do is escape the salary they could do it tomorrow by moving him for an expiring deal to one of the larger market teams. The Knicks would have that paperwork into the league office before the phone conversation was over. So why would they pay $30 million for flotsam just to get a year and a half of MLE performance from an undersized PF who if you played him moves their franchise player to a position where he's more likely to be injured?
 

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Grin&MartyBarret said:
 
As for the option: Let's say Gordon continues to play at his current level. He's a strong outside shooter scoring 15 points per game. He could easily get a Kevin Martin sized deal, something like 28-30 million over 4 years. Not picking up the option, in that case, would mean a fragile player is risking a guaranteed 12-14 million dollars. You see this very, very regularly in the NBA. Young guys always lock in the guaranteed money.
 
Kevin Martin is a good comparison, despite their physical differences. Looking back, though, Martin was a bit better than Gordon over their first six seasons. The Kings also extended Martin for 5 / $53, which was a much smarter move than New Orleans matching the Suns' silly money max offer to Gordon. The silly money is the killer. Who's going to give up a legitimate center for two years of back-end max dollars to an injury-prone -efense playin' small guard like Gordon? The only legit center on the market is arguably Asik and even if Morey were dumb enough to make that move, James Harden already plays Gordon's natural position.
 
 
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But that's the point, if all they want to do is escape the salary they could do it tomorrow by moving him for an expiring deal to one of the larger market teams. The Knicks would have that paperwork into the league office before the phone conversation was over. So why would they pay $30 million for flotsam just to get a year and a half of MLE performance from an undersized PF who if you played him moves their franchise player to a position where he's more likely to be injured?
 
And my point was that I wouldn't give more than a pile of garbage for Eric Gordon. 
 
That's why I'm betting on Bargnani.
 

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Kevin Martin is a good comparison, despite their physical differences. Martin, for his part, was a more efficient scorer than Gordon was over their first six years. The Kings also extended Martin for 5 / $53, which was a much smarter move than New Orleans matching the Suns' silly money max offer to Gordon. The silly money is the killer. Who's going to give up a legitimate center for two years of back-end max dollars to an injury-prone -efense playin' small guard like Gordon? The only legit center on the market is arguably Asik and even if Morey were dumb enough to make that move, James Harden already plays Gordon's natural position.
 
That's why I'm betting on Bargnani.
 
I don't know? I wasn't trying to say somebody would give up a legit center or anything like that, just saying that Gordon's value is greater than zero, and that I don't think it's at all out of the question that he opt out of the final year of his deal (if his health holds).
 

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And my point was that I wouldn't give more than a pile of garbage for Eric Gordon. 
 
That's why I'm betting on Bargnani.
OK, we're in agreement then, because that's one of a few deals I can see happening for Gordon.
 

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The problem with the Gordon for Garbage that I was mentioning was it didn't save them significant money, AND was a talent downgrade. If the Pelicans sell low they will at the least be able to get either: 1. Significant salary relief, OR 2. Good players who happen to also be overpaid, OR some combination of the two,
 

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Jrue Holiday out indefinitely (at least 4 weeks) with a stress fracture. I wonder if this will cool the Pelicans' ardor to trade Gordon, or if it is just a tanking strategy.
 

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The Pelicans will likely be unable to trade Gordon and will eat his contract unless they can negotiate a buyout. So it's garbage or nothing. And does anyone seriously think Gordon won't exercise his option?

Gordon is David Wesley without Wesley's good defense. Plus, Gordon is fragile. The Pelicans won't get shit for him.
 Then it's nothing.
 
You can say the exact same things about Wallaces contract that you can about Gordons. Except Gordon is still a decent, and young, basketball player and Gerald Wallace isn't.
 
I enjoyed the idea of the Celtics also getting a pick in this theoretical deal though. You've got some steel balls sir.
 

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Jrue Holiday out indefinitely (at least 4 weeks) with a stress fracture. I wonder if this will cool the Pelicans' ardor to trade Gordon, or if it is just a tanking strategy.
They won't sink low enough to get a top 3 pick. So I doubt it.
 

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I think Gordon will be a bit harder to deal for anything of value just because of his contract. The need to match salaries is going to make it tough to find a legitimate buyer. Which teams would want to absorb his contract and give up anything worthwhile? The upside is great but his contract almost cancels it out.
 

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It would, and I think that trade makes the pelicans a piece or two away from being an actual contender, but even the Lakers are more financially responsible than that right? Those 4 years on Gordons contract could end up being brutal
 

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Lakers wouldn't do it because they think (probably rightly so) that they are getting Kevin Love when he hits free agency.
 

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It would, and I think that trade makes the pelicans a piece or two away from being an actual contender, but even the Lakers are more financially responsible than that right? Those 4 years on Gordons contract could end up being brutal
Only two years after this one, with the last year (2015-16) being a player option.
 

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Setting aside Gordon's value or lack thereof, doesn't New Orleans realize that if they move Davis to his natural position, their second best player (Anderson) loses minutes? I know he's potentially out for the season, but they have him inked for several years.
 

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Brickowski said:
Jrue Holiday out indefinitely (at least 4 weeks) with a stress fracture. I wonder if this will cool the Pelicans' ardor to trade Gordon, or if it is just a tanking strategy.
Pretty sure the Pellies lost their 2014 1st in the Holiday trade