NLCS: Cubs vs. Dodgers

[timlinin8th]

If running through the catcher was still a thing, Contreras would have stood differently.

That's exactly my point. The runner was going for home in the spirit of the new rule by not looking to truck the catcher, abd the catcher made a play not compliant with the new rule. If the rule didn't exist Contreras gets flattened because the runner beat the throw.

 

[riboflav]

If Maddon wants to try to fire up his guys or whatever that's fine. Managers get themselves run all the time to make a point. But usually it's with the guy who made the call. Yelling at the guys who agreed with you but got overruled is like yelling at the ball boy.

Edit: Sorry, just saw your edit.

Yeah, my bad. I originally skimmed your comment.

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

That's exactly my point. The runner was going for home in the spirit of the new rule by not looking to truck the catcher, abd the catcher made a play not compliant with the new rule. If the rule didn't exist Contreras gets flattened because the runner beat the throw.

Ah, I see what you're saying.

I stand by hating the rule changes though.

 

[Jordu]

If running through the catcher was still a thing, Contreras would have stood differently.

The overreactions at second and at home suck. And the middle infielders and catchers I've heard talk about it agree.

He wouldn’t have been standing at all. In ye olden days, catchers were taught to get low, get the left knee in the dirt pointing toward third, secure the ball, and launch up the baseline into the runner.

In ye olden days, you were allowed to run into the catcher because home plate is the only base you touch that earns you a run. The catcher’s job was to keep you from touching it. It seemed logical. It was baseball.

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

He wouldn’t have been standing at all. In ye olden days, catchers were taught to get low, get the left knee in the dirt pointing toward third, secure the ball, and launch up the baseline into the runner.

In ye olden days, you were allowed to run into the catcher because home plate is the only base you touch that earns you a run. The catcher’s job was to keep you from touching it. It seemed logical. It was baseball.

Ah yes, back when we were kids, Jordu. Baseball was baseball.

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

He's safe at second

EDIT--and by that I mean, he's out at second

 

[barbed wire Bob]

Ah yes, back when we were kids, Jordu. Baseball was baseball.

Did you both walk a mile to school uphill in the snow?

 

[Jordu]

Ah yes, back when we were kids, Jordu. Baseball was baseball.

You could get a cup of coffee and an egg salad sandwich at Brigham’s for a buck and a quarter.

 

[soxhop411]

Ah, I see what you're saying.

I stand by hating the rule changes though.

Honestly. Given the shit that the NFL Has gone thru regarding concussions (and the lawsuits) i think other than the posey reason I think shielding themselves from a CTE lawsuit from former catchers was another reason they made the rule.

See:

 

[timlinin8th]

Honestly. Given the shit that the NFL Has gone thru regarding concussions (and the lawsuits) i think other than the posey reason I think shielding themselves from a CTE lawsuit from former catchers was another reason they made the rule.

See:

SAFE!!!

 

[DennyDoyle'sBoil]

Anyone ever been to Dodger Stadium? I've only been there once for a concert. It looks kind of shitty for baseball.

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

You could get a cup of coffee and an egg salad sandwich at Brigham’s for a buck and a quarter.

Hell, my elementary school didn't have a lunch program, and we'd ride our bicycles to Friendly's and get a hamburger and a vanilla coke for 55c. We'd spend the rest of the dollar our parents gave us on candy.

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

Honestly. Given the shit that the NFL Has gone thru regarding concussions (and the lawsuits) i think other than the posey reason I think shielding themselves from a CTE lawsuit from former catchers was another reason they made the rule.

See:

I disagree. Without the Posey injury, the rule is never changed. And without Utley/Tejada, the second base rule is never changed and double plays aren't lay-ups.

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

Did you both walk a mile to school uphill in the snow?

Why would we do that?

 

[glasspusher]

My elementary school, milk started at 3 cents and chocolate milk was five cents. A hot lunch was 35 cents. My first job in high school, working in a darkroom, that first summer, I'd get a 6 inch sub and a pint of iced tea for $1.98. Edit- of course, I was only making $2.75 an hour, under the table.

Those weren't the days at all!

 

[patinorange]

Anyone ever been to Dodger Stadium? I've only been there once for a concert. It looks kind of shitty for baseball.

It's awesome for baseball.

 

[patinorange]

So, Dave made the right move pulling Kershaw. Bullpen was perfect.

 

[Oppo]

That Puig interview was gold

 

[Harry Hooper]

Anyone ever been to Dodger Stadium? I've only been there once for a concert. It looks kind of shitty for baseball.

Dodger Stadium is a good take. It has very few poor seats. The weird part is it's floating off by itself, surrounded by all the parked cars.

Actually, that parking situation is not unique to LA {e.g., see the old Padres park and the current Royals one}.

 

[glasspusher]

Did you both walk a mile to school uphill in the snow?

I did that in grad school. My lab was in Cleveland, I lived in Cleveland heights. November through mid-April

 

[Jordu]

Hell, my elementary school didn't have a lunch program, and we'd ride our bicycles to Friendly's and get a hamburger and a vanilla coke for 55c. We'd spend the rest of the dollar our parents gave us on candy.

We never used to have a cup. We used to have to drink out of a rolled up newspaper.

http://www.montypython.net/scripts/4york.php

 

[Al Zarilla]

Jansen is amazing. He’s 6’5, takes maximum stride like lincecum did, but he’s so much taller than Tim, and coils his upper body and arm extremely and then does an extremely fast uncoil. What a monster.

 

[LogansDad]

Anyone ever been to Dodger Stadium? I've only been there once for a concert. It looks kind of shitty for baseball.

I went back in 2006 (I think), and it was awesome. Fans were pretty cool in my section down the right field line, good sight lines from everywhere, beautiful view of the sunset, and getting in and out was pretty easy. I enjoyed it.

 

[DennyDoyle'sBoil]

I've been entirely agnostic about the rule forever. Listening to Gary Sheffield talk about it on the post game, I'm a fan of the rule.

 

[soxhop411]

Oh zip it joe

I disagree. Without the Posey injury, the rule is never changed. And without Utley/Tejada, the second base rule is never changed and double plays aren't lay-ups.

And the NFL didnt get serious about concussions until they were sued. I think MLB would be smart not to wait for lawsuits. (See: netting)

 

[teddywingman]

So, Dave made the right move pulling Kershaw. Bullpen was perfect.

Yeah. I was questioning the move, but Roberts apparently knew what he had.

 

[Oppo]

I like when people go apeshit over rules only when it negatively affects them.

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

Oh zip it joe






And the NFL didnt get serious about concussions until they were sued. I think MLB would be smart not to wait for lawsuits. (See: netting)

Catchers get more concussions from foul balls than from collisions. What are you going to do about that?

 

[ledsox]

I wanted Darling to stfu too. The slide rules are fine. Don't need to see catchers and middle infielders getting trucked.

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

I wanted Darling to stfu too. The slide rules are fine. Don't need to see catchers and middle infielders getting trucked.

You should listen to Remy talk about the rule at second. He never got trucked and hates the new rule.

 

[soxhop411]

 

[doc]

Ah yes, back when we were kids, Jordu. Baseball was baseball.

When ships were wood and men were iron.

or my favorite

When men were men and the sheep ran scared

 

[ledsox]

You should listen to Remy talk about the rule at second. He never got trucked and hates the new rule.

Yeah, and in the old days you didn't have to touch the bag either.

 

[soxhop411]

 

[DennyDoyle'sBoil]

So, I have never thought about the rule much. Whenever I hear guys argue one way or the other, I never much gave a shit. In one ear and out the other. I've always liked the Belichick way. My guess is that he thinks "leverage" is bullshit. Or whatever. But bottom line, he makes his suggestions once a year to the rules committee and after that he coaches 'em up according to the rules. Just call it consistently. Make sure the players know what is allowed.

But, because of this controversy, I decided tonight to have an opinion. I mean what the fuck? Gary Sheffield has one, so why not.

So, I said, self, forget everything. Don't worry about what is "soft" or how it's always been, and even forget that you love the shit out of Pedro who seems to feel strongly. Just ask yourself, what is a good rule? I decided I still don't care very much. But then it occurred to me, why the fuck should you be able to physically block someone from scoring? It's a game about speed and throwing and catching with bases in this amazing pattern at a perfect distance apart that seems to have been impervious to change no matter how big or fast the players get.

Putting old time Ty Cobb Eddie Shore stuff to the side, like when did it ever become a thing anyway that you could like just block a guy from getting to the base even if he is faster than the throw? That's like football. It's totally not consistent with what baseball is.

Like, it's one of those things -- and there are probably millions -- where I got to be an old man without ever actually contemplating and instead just accepting "oh, well, that's just the way it is." It's fucking dumb. We're gonna let someone physically prevent you from scoring even though you would have? Why is that ok? If they said you could push a guy off the bag and tag him it wouldn't be any different. I never would have endorsed that if I had been consulted with or without concerns about concussions.

I know people feel strongly, but I really tried to have an open mind. I think I did a good job, and I've decided I don't get it.

 

[LogansDad]

I think what you said makes a whole lot of sense, DDB.

 

[DennyDoyle'sBoil]

I think what you said makes a whole lot of sense, DDB.

You're a good person to get in first before everyone else calls me a moron.

 

[Cuzittt]

I think what you said makes a whole lot of sense, DDB.

Not only that... it was "technically" never legal. If one reads the rule book before the Posey and second base DP additions, one could make a perfect argument that blocking the plate and sliding into the 2nd baseman were already illegal.

But, like the neighborhood play, umpires did not necessarily call the rules "by the book." Catchers have always blocked the plate and runners have always tried to break up DPs. So, it was accepted even if it was against the written rules.

The rule "changes" just puts the game back to what the rules always were. And, no matter how many former players rail against it... it is, in my view, the correct way to play the game.

 

[Steve Dillard]

Seems odd that Will Middlebrooks getting tangled with Allen Craig while stretching for a throw is interference, or standing in the baseball to change the runners momentum is not allowed, but standing right in front of a base to block it with malicious intent wouldn't.

 

[JimD]

What? The Sox never should have traded him and 2013 doesn't happen without him. Get over it.

My comment had nothing to do with 2013 - maybe you missed it, but Red Sox fans were subjected to months of talk that Lackey would not honor his contract and would retire instead of playing in 2015 at the major league minimum. It doesn't excuse Cherington's horrendous trade but it's pretty evident that Lackey's hardline position hurt the Red Sox. Being reminded anew about Lackey retirement talk, no matter how benign it is now, still brings up bad associations in my mind.

 

[patoaflac]

My comment had nothing to do with 2013 - maybe you missed it, but Red Sox fans were subjected to months of talk that Lackey would not honor his contract and would retire instead of playing in 2015 at the major league minimum. It doesn't excuse Cherington's horrendous trade but it's pretty evident that Lackey's hardline position hurt the Red Sox. Being reminded anew about Lackey retirement talk, no matter how benign it is now, still brings up bad associations in my mind.

I don't like him, but I thank Lackey for the 1-0 against Verlander, which is magnified by yesterdays game.

 

[InsideTheParker]

Nobody's watching two former Red Sox pitchers in game two of the NLCS? Some nifty defense so far with catches at the wall by Puig and Almora, both looking into strong sun. I wish TBS had better camera work.

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

GO DODGERS!!!!!

 

[glasspusher]

Will Lester throw to first? A nation waits and wonders...

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

Dodgers are smoking the ball right at people

 

[glasspusher]

Lester's taking his old sweet time forever on the mound.

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

Lester's taking his old sweet time forever on the mound.

That's how he holds runners on

 

[E5 Yaz]

OMG ... Lester has a no-hitter!

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

I will never understand why bunting and running on Lester aren't a major part of the game plan in a series like this.

 

[E5 Yaz]

I will never understand why bunting and running on Lester aren't a major part of the game plan in a series like this.

Same thing with Sabathia