NHL Expansion Draft (July 21)

cshea

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No side deals, wow. Either Francis way overplayed his hand or the rest of the league smartened up after handing Vegas a juggernaut.
 

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right here

canderson

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Please tell me Seattle's mascot is named Phil the Kraken.
Very good drafter, didn’t sign enough FAs, had poor goalies (that Rask extension hurt them badly). I think even though they never won more then 36 games he set them up for their success. Hopefully (I think he has) the aggressiveness will be there now.
 

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maybe not?

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For those wondering, Seattle’s side deals for the expansion draft—and there are apparently several—will be announced tomorrow after 1pm et when the NHL’s trade/signing freeze comes off.
I think there is some confusion over what people consider "side deals." I guess we'll see later today, but from what I've read, it seems the trades getting announced today are the post-expansion ones. Seattle is going to flip some of the players they picked (they have to, they don't have enough roster room to keep them all). For the actual draft, Seattle literally just picked a player from all 30 teams and didn't extract anything extra.

According to wiki, Vegas made 10 expansion consideration trades. These are the "we'll give you X to pick Y" type deals. Vegas cleaned up on these and it really is how they got good so quickly. They got 2 first round picks, 8 later round picks, prospects like Shea Theodore and Alex Tuch and finally roster players like Jonathan Marchessault and MA Fleury.

Seattle didn't make any of those trades. It looks like the league learned their lesson that it's best to just lose 1 player.

View: https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1418032940488003593?s=20


We'll see what the rest of the week brings Seattle, but I think their outlook is pretty bleak right off the hop. The defense is above average and the goaltending is passable but I have no idea who is going to score goals. Also, Yanni Gourde is apparently out until November following surgery.
 

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My cousin works as a disability advisor for the Kraken and got to fly out from Boston to attend and made the broadcast last night making their pick from Carolina. Pretty cool stuff.
 

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Price is expensive and possibly needs hip surgery. Tarasenko is expensive and coming off shoulder surgery. I can't blame Seattle for not wanting to tie up a good portion of their cap in players who either won't play due to injury, or are likely not the same value as before their injuries.
 

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They have Giordano mentoring a cadre of #4 dmen, and a lot of 3rd liners.
But they also have the #2 pick. They have to be going college not Juniors, right?

They probably won't be as good as fast as Vegas but there is some potential there with the right moves.

Do the Kraken have a minor league affiliate? (What happens to the 5-6 lower rated expansion draftees that wont make the roster plus the entry draftees?)
Sorry for the ignorant question.
 

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Were rules different when Atlanta joined the league? This seems... less than professional.


At the same time, it doesn't benefit the league for a new team to join and be garbage for 5-7 years while it builds up. so I don't really have a problem with the current format.
Yes, teams could protect 9 forwards, 5 defenseman, and a goalie when Atlanta joined the league in 1999. Atlanta also only paid $80 million to the league in franchise fees, where as Vegas paid $500 million, and Seattle paid $650. So it makes sense that those clubs would have more favorable protection rules considering that they paid quite a bit more to join the league.
 

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The big winner in the draft looks like it might be Jay Leach. Vegas set the expectation high and Hakstol hasn't been proven to be a good coach at this level. Unless Francis has the patience of a saint and is immune to community expectations, Hakstol won't last 2 years. They look like they'll be adequate in goal and the back end, but are going to really struggle to score. Blackwell / Gourde, McCann, Eberle would be OK if they were a 2nd line, but getting the #1 D treatment on matchups is going to kill them. The rest of the forwards are bottom 6/ taxi squad fodder.

It almost looks like they didn't like any of the higher end talent that was costly and would rather punt the inaugural season, set themselves up for a lot of cap space next summer and play big in free agency once they know how some of their wild card picks turn out.
 

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Yes, teams could protect 9 forwards, 5 defenseman, and a goalie when Atlanta joined the league in 1999. Atlanta also only paid $80 million to the league in franchise fees, where as Vegas paid $500 million, and Seattle paid $650. So it makes sense that those clubs would have more favorable protection rules considering that they paid quite a bit more to join the league.
It was also the heyday of the neutral zone/clutch and grab era so teams weren't exactly overflowing with skilled players.
 

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Were rules different when Atlanta joined the league? This seems... less than professional.


At the same time, it doesn't benefit the league for a new team to join and be garbage for 5-7 years while it builds up. so I don't really have a problem with the current format.
I can remember the Islander and Capital abysmal early days. (I was watching the NHL during Sabres/Canucks 1st year, but remember it less well.)
 

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Yes, teams could protect 9 forwards, 5 defenseman, and a goalie when Atlanta joined the league in 1999. Atlanta also only paid $80 million to the league in franchise fees, where as Vegas paid $500 million, and Seattle paid $650. So it makes sense that those clubs would have more favorable protection rules considering that they paid quite a bit more to join the league.
If you adjust for league revenues and inflation the gap between the expansion fees isnt that big.