Tennis is another one, tennis and soccer I mostly only watch live because there are so few chances to catch up.It is the main reason why I watch some soccer now (never watched a game until 2014). To see teams and players experience flow and have a flow experience as a sports fan is so rare now... at least with televised events. The only other place I get that is attending high school sports or D3 college games.
I'm sure it has been tested, but commercial free would be a completely different experience. It's one of the reasons I've really enjoyed the Premier League.They could superimpose the ads on the playing surface, like they do with the yellow line. I'm guessing they've researched it and decided that the risk of fam backlash is too great.
This has been my method too this season. I'm usually busy scrambling for food in the kitchen early on so I just put it on pause. I usually build up enough time in the first quarter to fast forward through all first half commercials and also fast forward through the intolerable halftime shows. It's excellent and makes the games a lot more watchable. I still suffer through the commercials later in the game but they are more tolerable if you haven't had to deal with them the first half.I also watch most Pats games on DVR delay ever since my first kid was born. I love it. While I'm not "live" during the first half I don't usually know what is going on, and I usually catch up sometime after halftime.
This obviously can't be mandated, but one thing I loved when the Pats really leaned on the no-huddle offense was that it gave the experience of flow, and made the game so much more interesting to watch.It is the main reason why I watch some soccer now (never watched a game until 2014). To see teams and players experience flow and have a flow experience as a sports fan is so rare now... at least with televised events. The only other place I get that is attending high school sports or D3 college games.
I have largely tuned out but I made a point of watching DAL-MIN, and it was a good game.Cowboys/Vikings was the 2nd highest rated Thursday night game of all time. Cowboys/Redskins on thanksgiving was highest regular season rating of all time on FOX. The Cowboys' resurgence has definitely helped out the sagging numbers.
And yeah, Oakland is a huge draw too and a couple of their upcoming games will probably keep the momentum going.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/leslie-moonves-says-early-days-figuring-cbs-should-merge-viacom-952690Moonves also said that less-than-stellar ratings for NFL games earlier this season is the fault of Peyton Manning (retired), Tom Brady (suspended for the first four games) and Donald Trump (because too many people preferred his presidential campaign to football).
I'd be surprised if over the last two years - when the offensive explosion was over - a significant amount of people were turning in to watch non-primetime Bronco games over any other team. Some of those games were brutal. Seems odd to pin an overall ratings decrease on that.I imagine they were higher rated but that's more of a function of Peyton's teams being good and less of a function of Peyton Manning and his giant forehead.
Pats or no Pats I am actively rooting for the league to failI can only speak for me, but in this I would say:
1) I do not watch as much TV in general as in the past.
2) I never ever would have thought I would become a casual NFL fan. I had season tickets for the pats for over a decade and only missed 1 game, have only missed a couple Pats games due to air travel over the last twenty five years. I generally always watched the 1, the 4, most or all of the sunday and monday games. I viewed Thursday and Saturday ones as a treat. I do not think I have watched more than 20 minutes of a single non pats game this year and prob for 75% of the season I have only turned on the Pats and nothing else.
3) I think for me Deflategate ruined the NFL for me. I fucking hate Roger Goodell, I hate most of the owners and GMs, I cant stand non pats fans after all of this (sucks as I live in NC) and really if not for the Pats would actively root for the league to fail. I just lost faith in the entire thing.
4) I have 2 kids (9 and 4) and it is harder to devote as much time as I used to to this.
When I look at this list, only 3 seems to be driving me.
The game flow didn't help. The Ravens came out throwing and had a lot of incompletions. Then you get the safety and subsequent kickoffs. We didn't hit halftime for almost two hours in realtime. Broadcasts seem to sometimes skip obvious commercial time outs to help catch up, but Monday was brutal.If the Pats were not playing Monday night, I would have turned off the game fairly quickly due to all the commercials. Play, play, injury commercial, play, punt, commercial, play, end of quarter commercial, play, play, score, commercial, kickoff, commercial. It seemed quite excessive. I am on record in this thread as being an ardent commercial hater. And Monday nights game did not help.
Les also said they were not in the realm of network "givebacks" to advertisers. Well, today they are.Les Moonves on bad NFL ratings:
Haven't done it myself but if you take out the Cowboys games, the numbers would be down far more. Dallas has drawn huge ratings, most other games are either down or way down.
It is looking like this may be the case, which is fascinating to me.Ratings have bounced back nicely the past few weeks. For sure, the league has been blessed with some marquee matchups and great games, but it seems there's some truth to Goodell's assertion that the election was the biggest factor in the early-season swoon.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18412873/nfl-tv-viewership-drops-average-8-percent-seasonBroadcasters of NFL games saw television viewership drop by an average of 8 percent for the 2016 regular season, as a typical game was watched by 1.4 million fewer people than last season (16.5 million versus 17.9 million), according to league data obtained by ESPN.
Prime-time broadcasts were the most affected. ESPN's Monday Night Football (17 games) and NBC's Sunday Night Football (19 games, including two Thursdays), the two most costly rights deals, were down 12 and 10 percent, respectively, in total viewers.
Daytime games on Fox and CBS, which each broadcast 27 games, were down 6 and 7 percent, respectively, in total viewers.
Thursday Night Football games were excluded from the data comparison. A variety of factors made the comparison versus last year skewed, including streaming on Twitter and a new partner, NBC..
In an interview last month, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell told ESPN the data reflected that the United States presidential election was "certainly a factor."
Prior to the Nov. 8 election, NFL games -- through the first nine weeks -- were down 14 percent compared to 2015. But the next eight weeks saw a recovery, as Weeks 10-17 were down only 1 percent in viewers compared to last season.
https://sportstvratings.com/mixed-ratings-bag-for-nfl-wild-card-saturday/7258/Update: Though Raiders-Texans held a slight edge in overnight rating, Lions-Seahawks led viewership 26.9 million to 25.3 million.
For all the bad-mouthing of the Raiders-Texans game before hand it wound up not just bettering last year’s equivalent Wild Card Saturday game, it also edged out the primetime Lions-Seahawks game.
Raiders/Texans averaged a 16.6 overnight across ABC & ESPN peaking with an 18.8 rating from 5:45-6:00 PM ET. In the Bay Area the game averaged a combined 17.8 overnight rating and in Houston the game averaged a combined 31.2 rating.
On NBC the Lions-Seahawks game averaged a 16.5 overnight rating, way down from the 19.2 for last year’s equivalent Steelers-Bengals game that aired on CBS. In Seattle the game drew a 46.8 rating locally (on average 46.8% of the households in the Seattle market were tuned-in to the game) and in Detroit the game averaged a 33.0 rating.
http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2017/01/nfl-wild-card-ratings-raiders-texans-overnights-espn-abc/The Raiders/Texans AFC Wild Card Game had a 16.6 overnight rating on ESPN and ABC Saturday afternoon, up 2% from Chiefs/Texans last year (16.2) and up 27% from Cardinals/Panthers on ESPN alone in 2015 (13.1). The 16.6 is the highest for the early Saturday Wild Card window in three years, since NBC earned a 17.2 for Chiefs/Colts in 2014.
Houston’s win, which peaked at an 18.8 from 5:45-6 PM ET, delivered the fourth-highest overnight for the early Saturday Wild Card window in the past 18 years — since Bills/Dolphins in 1999 (17.9). Over that span, it trails only Jets/Bengals in 2010 (16.9), Chiefs/Colts in 2014 and Saints/Seahawks in 2011 (18.3).
The game edged Saturday’s Lions/Seahawks nightcap on NBC (16.5), marking the first time the early Saturday Wild Card window has topped the late game since 2005.
Houston led all markets with a 31.2 rating, down 4% from last year (32.6). It was followed by Norfolk, VA (24.8), Richmond, VA (24.1), Sacramento (22.8) and Atlanta (22.2). The Bay Area ranked outside of the top ten with a 17.8 rating.
(Numbers from ESPN)
http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2017/01/nfl-wild-card-ratings-nbc-lions-seahawks-overnights/The Lions/Seahawks NFC Wild Card Game scored a 16.5 overnight rating on NBC Saturday night, down 14% from Steelers/Bengals on CBS last year (19.2) and down 5% from Ravens/Steelers on NBC in 2014 (17.3). Compared to last year’s Seahawks/Vikings Wild Card game on NBC, which aired in the early Sunday window, overnights fell 27% from a 22.5.
The Seahawks’ win, which peaked at a 17.2 from 9-9:30 PM ET, earned the lowest overnight for the Saturday night Wild Card window in 11 years — since Jaguars/Patriots on ABC in 2006 (15.6). It trailed the early Raiders/Chiefs game on ESPN and ABC (16.6), marking the first time since that 2006 postseason that the late Saturday window trailed the early game in the metered markets.
Seattle was the top market with a 46.8 rating, down 7% from last year’s Seahawks Wild Card on NBC (50.4). Detroit ranked second with a 33.0, with Portland (30.1), Richmond (22.5) and Milwaukee (22.0) rounding out the top five.
Yeah, the upside of four uninteresting games that went chalk this weekend is that we'll have the best possible matchups next weekend.This was the worst weekend of playoff football I remember. The first .5 of Giants Packers was watchable.
Hope it's better next week. Pats will wax Houston so that will suck but all others have potential.
Agreed.Yeah, the upside of four uninteresting games that went chalk this weekend is that we'll have the best possible matchups next weekend.
You clearly didn't hear Buck today, Rodgers all ready won.Agreed.
Pit @ KC could be a classic, particularly at Arrowhead where the crowd will be insane. Meanwhile the NFC games both have the potential to be great -- fun to see a classic NFL pairing in the Packers and Cowboys, as well as the vaunted Seahawks defense against the Falcons offense and the likely league MVP Matt Ryan.
Fixed. One of the matchups is not like the others.You clearly didn't hear Buck today, Rodgers all ready won.
But you're right, these matchups next week are about 1292039x(3/4) better than this week. Steelers O vs KC D in Arrowhead. Can Dak keep up with Rodgers? Ryan vs Sherman / Seattle D. Plus of course Thomas Brady in the Saturday prime time
From an article in the Atlantic How Superstar Economics Is Killing the NFL's Ratings:
For years the National Football League has been the uncontested king of media in an age of fragmentation. ... After years of steady growth, the NFL’s average television audience fell 8 percent from the previous season.And then, this line:
The second factor is what you might call the superstar effect. To sustain an audience of tens of millions of weekly viewers, the NFL is principally in the business of minting football stars, whose storylines they can follow week to week, like episodes of a favorite scripted television show. The proof is in the numbers. The few 2016 games that exceeded last year’s audience had the biggest recognizable stars and rivalries.
Sports are not so different from film. What national audiences desire above all are heroes, compelling challenges, and sequels. But the NFL’s universe of superheroes is surprisingly sparse at this particular moment. Consider a commercial proxy for the league’s biggest stars: the players with the most corporate endorsements in 2015. In just two years, the list has been decimated with injuries, retirements, suspensions, and disappointments. Commercial king Peyton Manning has retired, and so has candy king Marshawn Lynch. JJ Watt is injured, and so is Tony Romo. Drew Brees has missed the playoffs for a third straight year. Eli Manning has been a below-average quarterback since the middle of the Obama administration, while Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson have been alternately brilliant and confounding.
Tom Brady remains transcendent, but the league puzzlingly celebrated his transcendence by making him the first citizen to be prosecuted under Boyle’s Law.
The league is definitely praying that Atlanta doesn't make the SB. As long as Dallas is still alive their ratings will be awesome on the NFC side. They probably want the Chiefs out on the AFC side (I'm assuming Houston has zero chance to advance)...though KC/NE would probably still draw well, just not as good as PIT/NE and they wouldn't want to risk KC winning in the AFC champ round. A KC/ATL super bowl is probably their nightmare.The Cowboys & Patriots/Steelers SB will blow previous SB ratings out of the water and all will be forgotten until next year.
It's the Atlantic. How much do you think the author knows about football?
My thoughts too. Kind of pisses me off the league will likely end up with a compelling matchup. People will watch NE/Pitt and Dal/GB and NE/SEA.The league is definitely praying that Atlanta doesn't make the SB. As long as Dallas is still alive their ratings will be awesome on the NFC side. They probably want the Chiefs out on the AFC side (I'm assuming Houston has zero chance to advance)...though KC/NE would probably still draw well, just not as good as PIT/NE and they wouldn't want to risk KC winning in the AFC champ round. A KC/ATL super bowl is probably their nightmare.
But I think if a DAL/NE Super Bowl happened, the ratings scale would shatter.
Atlanta is the 10th biggest TV market in the US - substantially bigger than Milwaukee/Green Bay and, albeit by a smaller margin, than Seattle too. What am I missing?The league is definitely praying that Atlanta doesn't make the SB. As long as Dallas is still alive their ratings will be awesome on the NFC side. They probably want the Chiefs out on the AFC side (I'm assuming Houston has zero chance to advance)...though KC/NE would probably still draw well, just not as good as PIT/NE and they wouldn't want to risk KC winning in the AFC champ round. A KC/ATL super bowl is probably their nightmare.
But I think if a DAL/NE Super Bowl happened, the ratings scale would shatter.