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Had to laugh at Tony C, the Stick jams were nowhere near as bad as early returns from Levi's. :)
 
 
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65,000 people leaving a stadium by car, what do people expect? I'm sure they can improve assisting people, but that is what you get for putting a stadium out in the suburbs.
 
Just another reason to watch games from home.
 
Well, as mentioned above, people are used to post-game jams. the problem is there's not really any way to get around it. At the Stick, all the smart folks either took the Muni bus to the stadium or parked in Little Hollywood (a quiet, not-dangerous neighborhood about a mile away) to get around the traffic. That's not quite as available at Levi's, and with some teething problems in terms of handling people on foot or what exists people need to go to, it was a bit of a clusterfuck. They'll sort it out soon enough (there's enough major roads and highways near by that it shouldn't be one way in, one way out), but they're not there yet. 
 

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Also, I'm going with Kaep being an OK guy. Harbaugh is, of course, a megadouche and I don't think he's as popular among the fanbase as you'd expect. He's too whiny and conservative on offense, and he's losing fans with the Ray Mcdonald thing. 
 

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What makes you think it was his signature moves that got him endorsement deals? Eli Manning endorses products and I don't think he has any signature moves.
Sure he does......his last name and two Super Bowl rings. If Archie was his Dad, and he were a good ole country boy, and put up two championships then Colin wouldn't have needed all the cameras on his kissing his biceps.

Colin doesn't have all those things so he brilliantly manufactured another way to generate attention. There's nothing wrong with this imo.
 

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I don't think there is anything wrong with it either.  But we're talking about reasons why a fan chooses to like or not like a particular player (other than the laundry).  There's nothing wrong with Kaepernick or any other player cashing in, there is also nothing wrong with a fan choosing not to like a guy because of the way he's cashing in. In reality none of us know anything about what most of these guys are really like.
 
For example, if I didn't already loathe Peyton Manning, the fact that even in a game not involving the Broncos I am forced to see his stupid face pitching insurance and pizza over and over again would cause me to hate his guts.
 
FTR, I am in the camp that is a bit put off by Kaepernick for reasons I can't entirely explain, probably guilt by association with Harbaugh.
 

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Sure he does......his last name and two Super Bowl rings. If Archie was his Dad, and he were a good ole country boy, and put up two championships then Colin wouldn't have needed all the cameras on his kissing his biceps.

Colin doesn't have all those things so he brilliantly manufactured another way to generate attention. There's nothing wrong with this imo.
Your argument is weak. 1 landing sponsorships does nothing to prove or disprove whether he is a douche. 2 there is no proof that his signature celebration moves raise, lower or affect in any way his earning power or his ability to land sponsorships. 3 there is no proof that he is performing signature moves as a way to market himself.
 

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Your argument is weak. 1 landing sponsorships does nothing to prove or disprove whether he is a douche. 2 there is no proof that his signature celebration moves raise, lower or affect in any way his earning power or his ability to land sponsorships. 3 there is no proof that he is performing signature moves as a way to market himself.
1. Where is your proof that he IS a douche? I surely haven't seen anything in interviews I've seem. The one with Russell Wilson actually shows the opposite.

2. You couldn't be any more wrong. In the Madden commerical you see Russell Wilson scoring a virtual TD and celebrating by "Kaepernicking." A major sponsor featuring Kaepernick's signature move, by his competitor, shows this to be true.

3. See #2.
 

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I couldn't give a crap about the Niners and I always wish pain and suffering for the baby Harbaugh(except for the super bowl 2 years ago b/c I hate the Ravens more) but I like Kaep. He seems like he plays hard and he's done pretty well in his short career (he is NOT Sanchez) and while he makes mistakes, he's also a lot of fun to watch.
 
That TD run he had in the playoffs two years ago against Green Bay is still my favorite play from the last 5 seasons of the NFL. That was amazing. I hope he keeps playing and playing well so I can watch. And I can't believe people are offended by tats? Who cares? If anything, people offended by tats are douches.
 

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Mark Sanchez says hi. I actually like Kaepernick but using QB wins to judge a QB with 31 career starts from a team with a great defense and running game doesn't seem analytically sound.
Fair point but while I didn’t use stats to support my point, I also didn’t really use wins either. I don’t know how you feel about Total QBR but Kaepernick has been sixth and seventh respectively the past two seasons. The bottom line is that like many other QBs, he has his warts but can be very good.
 

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DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
HRB's post brings something up that we have to acknowledge and perhaps discuss in its own thread.  These guys have a really limited shelf life and, as such, signature moves and self promotion are really pretty savvy moves.  Especially amongst players in the NFL who typically have a helmet/facemask covering their heads and, as such, aren't as recognizable as other athletes and more importantly have non-guaranteed contracts in a sport where violent (and in some cases career-ending) injuries are fairly common.  
 
If Kaepernick's signature move has earned him some extra dough to mitigate the chance that a concussion or knee injury derails his career, then more power to him.  One more thing - major sports are the only game in town now in getting people to watch television in real time, with commercials.  Why shouldn't the athletes, who essentially provide all the content, get theirs as well?
 
Johnny Manziel, marketing genius. Also large douche. Im sticking with my flat brimmed hat assessment.
 

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DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
Fair point but while I didn’t use stats to support my point, I also didn’t really use wins either. I don’t know how you feel about Total QBR but Kaepernick has been sixth and seventh respectively the past two seasons. The bottom line is that like many other QBs, he has his warts but can be very good.
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He certainly can be: he has remarkable physical traits and he's had good rate stats. What's tough for me to figure out is whether or not Kaepernick and Wilson would be nearly as efficient if they threw 600 plus times a year-like the other top QBs do-instead of about 450. My gut feeling is that they're both slightly above average QBs who look like great QBs because they are in ideal situations but opinions can certainly differ.

I'm also a little down on Kaepernick because of his age. He's older than you might think-he turns 27 in a month and he's older than Stafford or Cam Newton- so I'm not sure if we are going to see the same growth from him that you normally expect from a QB with fewer than 2 years starting experience.
 

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The best, snarkiest final word on the jets debacle comes courtesy of Darren Hartwell at NESN:

"The Jets promptly turned over the ball on downs after the timeout and ended up losing 31-24, because of course they did."
 
Didn't the Jets actually convert that 4th down, then turn it over on downs in the following series?  I guess I'm quibbling over "promptly" here.  I'm just glad that this was the one Sunday that I got to watch some non-Patriots NFL football, because I nearly wept with joy at the beauty of that Jetsness with the TO call.  
 
Out of curiosity, is anyone certain that SeanBerry is actually alive?  I mean, between the Jets and Mets, and all the tall buildings, I'm a little concerned.  
 
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Randall Cunningham was the QB of the future because he was a dynamic dual threat QB until Michael Vick was the QB of the future becuase he had speed and athleticism that was on another level.  But then guys like Kaepernick became the QB of the future because the read option had a brillant flash as a dynamic play that defenses really struggled to catch up.
 
The thought of the prototype QB of the future that is going to change the game of football forever is nothing new.  It's been happening for decades.  The dual threat QB in the NFL can certainly be a weapon, but the great QBs are always going to be defined by decision making, accuracy and ball security first and their ability to run with the football second.  I don't think that will every really change. 
 
The great QBs, IMO, are always going to be defined by staying healthy long enough to put up the resumes required to be considered great.  That is always going to skew things against the dual threat QB, and impact their development as passers negatively due to increased wear and tear.  I wonder if too much gets made of potential mental development issues when it comes to reading defenses for some of those QBs, when the ability to stay on the field and maintain healthy mechanics might be more of an issue over multiple years.  
 

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Tony C said:
Sean Payton screaming at Rob Ryan is worth a fun glimpse: http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/09/14/new-orleans-saints-sean-payton-yelling-rob-ryan
 
What's with the Ryans? They accomplish so little and get so much acclaim for it. Rob has had two defenses ranked in the top 10 in his career, 6 in the 20s according to PTI
The Saints improved to 10th in DVOA last year compared to 32nd the year before, while the Cowboys dropped to 30th from 23rd. It doesn't explain why Rob Ryan is the league's most recognized coordinator, but I think he has done a decent job with some shaky talent.
 

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The great QBs, IMO, are always going to be defined by staying healthy long enough to put up the resumes required to be considered great.  That is always going to skew things against the dual threat QB, and impact their development as passers negatively due to increased wear and tear.  I wonder if too much gets made of potential mental development issues when it comes to reading defenses for some of those QBs, when the ability to stay on the field and maintain healthy mechanics might be more of an issue over multiple years.  
 
Well, sortof.

Randall Cunningham's career was derailed for a bit with a series of injury-ridden seasons but came back in a big way with the Vikings. I always wondered what would have been if Cunningham played for a better team than the Eagles. Anyways, Steve Young and John Elway were definitely dual threat guys and both had long and productive careers.
 

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Steve Young was. Was Elway? I know he ran a lot early in his career, but didn't his success only come later after he evolved into a more traditional QB, albeit still with some escapability (a la Andrew Luck)?
 

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Steve Young was. Was Elway? I know he ran a lot early in his career, but didn't his success only come later after he evolved into a more traditional QB, albeit still with some escapability (a la Andrew Luck)?
That's because Elway was not surrounded by very good players until the end. He single handedly elevated what in reality were 8 - 8 teams to the SB. All I remember is he killed us with his arm and legs, and the Pats had some good teams during his run.
 

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That is at least the 3rd dropped pass by Philly tonight. Two by Ertz.
 

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That is at least the 3rd dropped pass by Philly tonight. Two by Ertz.
Foles isn't exactly putting it on the money. Last one well behind Ertz.
 

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The conditioning point may be valid. Second week in a row this has happened.
 

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He bailed out of the 2nd down scramble. He should've gotten the first down.
 
He clearly lacks Brady's ability to enter the Matrix and break the ankles of bigger, faster and stronger defenders when duty calls.
 

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Looked like a pretty blatant hold on Hilton at first glance, especially given the new standard.
 

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Looked like a pretty blatant hold on Hilton at first glance, especially given the new standard.
And that was no horse collar.

We'd be livid
 

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As the ladies in Philly call him, Big Dick Nick
 

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Super Nomario said:
If Andrew Luck looked like Colin Kaepernick, what would people say about his smarts and decision-making?
Bomani Jones has made that point on Twitter many times, in defense of Cam Newton as well. He's not wrong.