NFL Week 2 Game Thread

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Stitch01 said:
Is this some sort of league attempt to move the conversation away from the off the field stuff back to the godawful refs?
The problem with allowing some infractions and not others is that the whole thing becomes subjective to an absurd degree. That's what we've had my entire life as a fan. They could call a penalty on every play and they don't, instead picking somewhat arbitrarily. If you move to zero tolerance on most calls you take out a lot of the arbitrary nature of officiating and just leave competence as the key uncontrollable factor. Unfortunately, as a result we have the current growing pains. If I'm the owners and this is my plan I'm willing to let them figure it out for a while until players adjust, the game changes (hopefully for the better) and perception of fairness in the eyes of fans improves.

It's that or they become the nba or worse, European pro soccer.
 

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amarshal2 said:
The problem with allowing some infractions and not others is that the whole thing becomes subjective to an absurd degree. That's what we've had my entire life as a fan. They could call a penalty on every play and they don't, instead picking somewhat arbitrarily. If you move to zero tolerance on most calls you take out a lot of the arbitrary nature of officiating and just leave competence as the key uncontrollable factor. Unfortunately, as a result we have the current growing pains. If I'm the owners and this is my plan I'm willing to let them figure it out for a while until players adjust, the game changes (hopefully for the better) and perception of fairness in the eyes of fans improves.
It's that or they become the nba or worse, European pro soccer.
The thing is, they haven't called it like this most games. So it's still arbitrary.
 

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Yeah since that early penalty he's been fantastic. This is a really tough performance by Chicago on the road against a good (?) team with a MASH unit on defense and their stud receivers beaten up.
 

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I have to admit that when I was a kid the Niners were always my "other" favorite team, but these days I always find myself rooting against them. I think it's Kaepernick. He just seems like such a douche bag. Factor Harbaugh in and it's easy to hate them. I really only respect Gore, Willis, and to some degree V. Davis.
 

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On one hand, 49ers fans get to see the first game in a nice, modern park, and that windy monstrosity/giant traffic jam is history. On the other hand, if you're a 49ers fan, this has to be the worst experience since going to Seattle last year. Or maybe not, since the Seahawks wouldn't ship any tickets to California addresses.
 

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Jay Cutler almost didn't throw that last TD off his back foot.
Ha I just started and deleted a post saying this thinking I was nitpicking.

You're right: Cutlers mechanics look awful, he's never got his weight balanced. But he has made some very precise throws today. That ball to Marshall was nice: over his shoulder on the side away from the defensive back. Cutler has done it all tonight- the long ball, the back shoulder fades, the deep outs (the one overruled because of lack of control inbounds); he's scrambled, and made some throws on the run. Yet he always looks 1 inch away from mechanics meltdown. Of course having Brandon Marshall has helped.

Meanwhile Kaepernick had one ball intercepted on a great defensive play (though he should have led the receiver bit more so he didn't need to slow down) and then threw two away when he was on the run outside the pocket trying to do too much.
 

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Candlestick was a good place to see a football game, actually -- sucked for baseball (summers in SF are colder than fall/winter)
 
Stitch01 said:
The thing is, they haven't called it like this most games. So it's still arbitrary.
 
so true. people saying this is the new NLF aren't watching -- there's tons of mugging going on in other games. Someone isn't getting the memo...not sure who.
 
H78 said:
I have to admit that when I was a kid the Niners were always my "other" favorite team, but these days I always find myself rooting against them. I think it's Kaepernick. He just seems like such a douche bag. Factor Harbaugh in and it's easy to hate them. I really only respect Gore, Willis, and to some degree V. Davis.
 
Same here. Feels wrong to hate them given that I rooted for the Montana/Rice teams as a kid, but.....Harbaugh/Kaep? Please...pure douches. Add in Aldon Smith and Macdonald....easy to root against them, hard not to.
 

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They let all that time tick down, THEN take the timeout? 
 
At first I thought it didn't matter either way, but you're absolutely right.  It's 4th down, and with three timeouts left and 2:20+ on the clock, failing to convert wouldn't be the end of the game. 
 
Now if they fail on 4th down, Chicago might get the ball with 1:59 on the clock and 2 timeouts for SF.  Big difference.
 

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I'm not sure a team has ever done it, but when you score a TD and you're already up 1 late like the bears were a little while ago I would think the mathematically correct thing has to be to go for 2, if you miss you're still up 7, if you get it the you're up 2 scores
 

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Candlestick was a good place to see a football game, actually -- sucked for baseball (summers in SF are colder than fall/winter)
 
 
so true. people saying this is the new NLF aren't watching -- there's tons of mugging going on in other games. Someone isn't getting the memo...not sure who.
 
 
Same here. Feels wrong to hate them given that I rooted for the Montana/Rice teams as a kid, but.....Harbaugh/Kaep? Please...pure douches. Add in Aldon Smith and Macdonald....easy to root against them, hard not to.
 
Why is Kaepernick a douche?
 

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I'm not sure a team has ever done it, but when you score a TD and you're already up 1 late like the bears were a little while ago I would think the mathematically correct thing has to be to go for 2, if you miss you're still up 7, if you get it the you're up 2 scores
 
Yeah I've been saying that for years.  It really comes down to whether you think your offense is better than your defense in a situation at the 2-yard line.  If you have more confidence in your O, you go for two and accept the fact that if you fail and the opponents score a TD later, the game will be tied.  If you have a stronger D, you kick the XP and let your defense try to stop the eventual game-tying 2 point conversion.
 

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With better clock management, the clock would be at about 1:20 and the Niners would have 3 timeouts, plenty of time to get the ball back and win.
 
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The best, snarkiest final word on the jets debacle comes courtesy of Darren Hartwell at NESN:

"The Jets promptly turned over the ball on downs after the timeout and ended up losing 31-24, because of course they did."
 

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I wonder if SF is as good as we think. Frankly, they didn't look great against Dallas aside from Romo throwing them the ball.
 
(per Kaep, I take it back -- just subjective impression)
 

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Interesting start to the season:

Buffalo -> Chicago -> San Francisco
Buffalo -> Miami -> New England

Only six 2-0 teams and seven undefeated teams. Mercury Morris had better get his cheapwine.com order together early this season.
 

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I wonder if SF is as good as we think. Frankly, they didn't look great against Dallas aside from Romo throwing them the ball.
 
(per Kaep, I take it back -- just subjective impression)
I figured the flat brimmed hat was a telltale sign?
 

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I don't know. Perhaps he was just born that way?
 
Seriously, I don't get this.  Is it the ink?  The flat-brim?  I mean, posting snide comments on a messageboard could be considered douchey (in which case, I guess I am guilty as charged).  While I don't share his aesthetic, Kaepernick does not come off as a douche to me - he seems to be a pretty humble guy.  Perhaps I've missed something on his history.
 

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I seconded a comment about Kaep, and used the word douche, so I'm responsible -- but there's really no reason to spend time psychoanalyzing via a tv screen if a guy is a douche or not. How the hell would we know (short a Hernandez sort of situation, obviously)? My bad, but no reason to keep it going....it was a big game with a lot to talk about.
 
I will say that I think he's overrated. He's been protected by a conservative offense and can use his legs. But he hasn't proven the 49ers can rely on him the same way other clubs rely on their top notch QBs. I think there's a reason SF got away with paying him relatively small bucks -- he still has a lot to prove compared to his press clippings. He has excellent receivers, a great OL, and top of the line RBs....in that context if he was so good he'd do more.
 

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Tony C said:
I seconded a comment about Kaep, and used the word douche, so I'm responsible -- but there's really no reason to spend time psychoanalyzing via a tv screen if a guy is a douche or not. How the hell would we know (short a Hernandez sort of situation, obviously)? My bad, but no reason to keep it going....it was a big game with a lot to talk about.
 
I will say that I think he's overrated. He's been protected by a conservative offense and can use his legs. But he hasn't proven the 49ers can rely on him the same way other clubs rely on their top notch QBs. I think there's a reason SF got away with paying him relatively small bucks -- he still has a lot to prove compared to his press clippings. He has excellent receivers, a great OL, and top of the line RBs....in that context if he was so good he'd do more.
 
Fair enough and I will agree with the sentiment that he still has a lot to prove.  That said, he made it to a Superbowl and an NFC championship game the last few years so he while has looked bad in spots, he has a decent resume.   Frankly, I think his offensive line looked like dogshit tonight.  That doesn't excuse his INTs (he has a bit of Farve/Bledsoe in him where tight windows are for throwing every time) but when the guy is running for his life every play, its not going to help his decision making.
 

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Seriously, I don't get this.  Is it the ink?  The flat-brim?  I mean, posting snide comments on a messageboard could be considered douchey (in which case, I guess I am guilty as charged).  While I don't share his aesthetic, Kaepernick does not come off as a douche to me - he seems to be a pretty humble guy.  Perhaps I've missed something on his history.
 
I don't think that someone who calls attention to themselves with a signature move (outside of spinning the ball or spiking it or dunking it or being White Shoes Johnson) gets a whole lot of latitude in the douche department.
 

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Terrific resume and he's dynamic. But in addition to great receivers and RB, the OL has been top ranked the last two years -- too early to say about this year (I do agree it was surprising that the Bears were so successful in the trenches tonight).
 
Bottom line, I think I'm becoming a Jaws style old fogie when it comes to QBs: more traditional style (including being safe with the ball) in the end will win much more than flashy runners like Vick or Kaep. Even Russell Wilson is very conservative with the ball and only runs as a last resort, albeit he does run.
 

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I don't think that someone who calls attention to themselves with a signature move (outside of spinning the ball or spiking it or dunking it or being White Shoes Johnson) gets a whole lot of latitude in the douche department.
Kaepernick calling attention to himself earned him emdor$ements with Jaguar, MuscleSomethingOrOther and Beats By Dre plus others I can't recall. I'm sure he'll trade building his brand the way he has for some Internet guys bashing him online. One thing for certain is that he is business savvy plus one.
 

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HRB's post brings something up that we have to acknowledge and perhaps discuss in its own thread.  These guys have a really limited shelf life and, as such, signature moves and self promotion are really pretty savvy moves.  Especially amongst players in the NFL who typically have a helmet/facemask covering their heads and, as such, aren't as recognizable as other athletes and more importantly have non-guaranteed contracts in a sport where violent (and in some cases career-ending) injuries are fairly common.  
 
If Kaepernick's signature move has earned him some extra dough to mitigate the chance that a concussion or knee injury derails his career, then more power to him.  One more thing - major sports are the only game in town now in getting people to watch television in real time, with commercials.  Why shouldn't the athletes, who essentially provide all the content, get theirs as well?
 
As for Kaepernick's play, I am not ready to give up on the guy just yet.  He has a great arm and if he learns to stay home and, more importantly, stop forcing things, he is going to be very good. The truth is guys like him don't QB teams to within one win of a championship or simply the Superbowl in consecutive years as a result of a fluke.  
 

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People on twitter saying its a pain in the ass to leave the stadium, and that people are  angry...
 
 
 

 
 
 
https://twitter.com/PeggyBunker
 

 

Peggy Bunker @PeggyBunker · 13m


Horrible leaving #LevisStadium: no security, people stuck/irate, driving over curbs to escape more at 11 @nbcbayarea

 
 

Peggy Bunker @PeggyBunker · 1m


This is how Niners fans are leaving #LevisStadium -over curbs- because no one is moving; tempers flaring #stuck

 
No surprise.  Those who went for the MLS and preseason games there noted the traffic flow out of Levis was awful.  Good times for those who paid premium prices to watch this game from the nosebleeds.
 

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Kaepernick calling attention to himself earned him emdor$ements with Jaguar, MuscleSomethingOrOther and Beats By Dre plus others I can't recall. I'm sure he'll trade building his brand the way he has for some Internet guys bashing him online. One thing for certain is that he is business savvy plus one.
What makes you think it was his signature moves that got him endorsement deals? Eli Manning endorses products and I don't think he has any signature moves.
 

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No surprise.  Those who went for the MLS and preseason games there noted the traffic flow out of Levis was awful.  Good times for those who paid premium prices to watch this game from the nosebleeds.
65,000 people leaving a stadium by car, what do people expect? I'm sure they can improve assisting people, but that is what you get for putting a stadium out in the suburbs.
 
Just another reason to watch games from home.
 

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Tony C said:
Bottom line, I think I'm becoming a Jaws style old fogie when it comes to QBs: more traditional style (including being safe with the ball) in the end will win much more than flashy runners like Vick or Kaep. Even Russell Wilson is very conservative with the ball and only runs as a last resort, albeit he does run.
 
Randall Cunningham was the QB of the future because he was a dynamic dual threat QB until Michael Vick was the QB of the future becuase he had speed and athleticism that was on another level.  But then guys like Kaepernick became the QB of the future because the read option had a brillant flash as a dynamic play that defenses really struggled to catch up.
 
The thought of the prototype QB of the future that is going to change the game of football forever is nothing new.  It's been happening for decades.  The dual threat QB in the NFL can certainly be a weapon, but the great QBs are always going to be defined by decision making, accuracy and ball security first and their ability to run with the football second.  I don't think that will every really change. 
 

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65,000 people leaving a stadium by car, what do people expect? I'm sure they can improve assisting people, but that is what you get for putting a stadium out in the suburbs.
 
Just another reason to watch games from home.
Yes, you'll unavoidably have traffic jams at a suburban NFL stadium. It's a question of degree. If they're having problems at the new SF stadium on MLS game days, I can only imagine how horrific the traffic must be after a 49ers game.
 

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DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
 
As for Kaepernick's play, I am not ready to give up on the guy just yet.  He has a great arm and if he learns to stay home and, more importantly, stop forcing things, he is going to be very good. The truth is guys like him don't QB teams to within one win of a championship or simply the Superbowl in consecutive years as a result of a fluke.  
 

Yeah, he seems to "trust" his arm too much at times. He can learn to control that. When he's on, he's fun to watch.
 

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Id still bet the Saints to win that division, but they are losing margin for error quickly.  I don't know what the hell they are trying to do on defense.
 

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HRB's post brings something up that we have to acknowledge and perhaps discuss in its own thread.  These guys have a really limited shelf life and, as such, signature moves and self promotion are really pretty savvy moves.  Especially amongst players in the NFL who typically have a helmet/facemask covering their heads and, as such, aren't as recognizable as other athletes and more importantly have non-guaranteed contracts in a sport where violent (and in some cases career-ending) injuries are fairly common.  
 
If Kaepernick's signature move has earned him some extra dough to mitigate the chance that a concussion or knee injury derails his career, then more power to him.  One more thing - major sports are the only game in town now in getting people to watch television in real time, with commercials.  Why shouldn't the athletes, who essentially provide all the content, get theirs as well?
 
As for Kaepernick's play, I am not ready to give up on the guy just yet.  He has a great arm and if he learns to stay home and, more importantly, stop forcing things, he is going to be very good. The truth is guys like him don't QB teams to within one win of a championship or simply the Superbowl in consecutive years as a result of a fluke.  
Mark Sanchez says hi. I actually like Kaepernick but using QB wins to judge a QB with 31 career starts from a team with a great defense and running game doesn't seem analytically sound.
 

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Seriously, I don't get this.  Is it the ink?  The flat-brim?  I mean, posting snide comments on a messageboard could be considered douchey (in which case, I guess I am guilty as charged).  While I don't share his aesthetic, Kaepernick does not come off as a douche to me - he seems to be a pretty humble guy.  Perhaps I've missed something on his history.
 
It's his face. And his tattoos are shitty. And the hat doesn't help.