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Oil Can Dan

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This explanation doesn't make sense to me. When a clock flips to zero, it's literally zero - never 0.3s - so nobody is getting robbed of any time with the current clocks.

In the NBA, tenths of seconds matter because once the horn blows, play is dead, and it takes a certain amount of time to perform physical actions, like catch and shoot a ball. But in the NFL, a live play keeps running after the clock stops, so as long as it's not zero, it shouldn't matter how much time is left.
It's been a long week so I'm probably missing this but are you saying there's no such thing as 0.3 seconds? Can't an incomplete pass happen between 1.0 second and 0.1?
 

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It's been a long week so I'm probably missing this but are you saying there's no such thing as 0.3 seconds? Can't an incomplete pass happen between 1.0 second and 0.1?
Sure. When that happens the clock displays 1 second. They aren't losing that 0.3 seconds. Clock doesn't click to zero until the full second is up. When they restart the clock, it turns zero in 0.3 seconds. No one is losing a play in that scenario.

I think where this could come into play is when the ref resets the clock after replay. Instead of 15 seconds, maybe it's 14.4 seconds.
 

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It's been a long week so I'm probably missing this but are you saying there's no such thing as 0.3 seconds? Can't an incomplete pass happen between 1.0 second and 0.1?
The clock would still say 0:00:01. One second means between 0.1-1.0 seconds are left so 1.5 seconds left reads as 0:00:02.

This feels just like a silly attempt to amp up fake drama.
 

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And I thought the "assistant head coach" vs "assistant to the head coach" discussion was the low point of the offseason
 

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Sure. When that happens the clock displays 1 second. They aren't losing that 0.3 seconds. Clock doesn't click to zero until the full second is up. When they restart the clock, it turns zero in 0.3 seconds. No one is losing a play in that scenario.

I think where this could come into play is when the ref resets the clock after replay. Instead of 15 seconds, maybe it's 14.4 seconds.
Yeah I'm still not getting it.

I don't think the clock works that way. I think the clock represents 1 second when the clock is between 1.999 and 1.0 seconds. I think that a play could extend past the one second mark and end up on .7 seconds, and I think that today that would be game over but tomorrow there would be one more play.

If what you're saying is correct then when a game begins and the clock is at 15:00 then you'd have to believe that the real time of game is 15:009999 or something. Right? Like I said, long week...
 

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Yeah I'm still not getting it.

I don't think the clock works that way. I think the clock represents 1 second when the clock is between 1.999 and 1.0 seconds. I think that a play could extend past the one second mark and end up on .7 seconds, and I think that today that would be game over but tomorrow there would be one more play.

If what you're saying is correct then when a game begins and the clock is at 15:00 then you'd have to believe that the real time of game is 15:009999 or something. Right? Like I said, long week...
That’s how clocks work. The exact moment the clock flips to :01 the time remaining is :01.000000 and you have exactly one second until it flips to :00.

I’m not understanding your 15:0099999 argument. When the quarter begins there are exactly 15x60x10 = 9,000 tenths of a second remaining until :00.
 

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That’s how clocks work. The exact moment the clock flips to :01 the time remaining is :01.000000 and you have exactly one second until it flips to :00.

I’m not understanding your 15:0099999 argument. When the quarter begins there are exactly 15x60x10 = 9,000 tenths of a second remaining until :00.0.
Okay now I get it. You're pointing out that the clock remains on the current second while the tenths for that next second extinguish. I was thinking that the clock changes to the next second while those tenths are still in play. So if there possibly could be a play that was .3 seconds long, at the start of the game today the game clock would remain at 15:00 after that play but behind the scenes it would be 14:597. So there's no real point to this proposal then.

Or something. It might be time for me to step away from the computer for the week...
 

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It's been a long week so I'm probably missing this but are you saying there's no such thing as 0.3 seconds? Can't an incomplete pass happen between 1.0 second and 0.1?
The reason you know that can’t be the way clocks work is because they’d then read ZERO before time is actually up (no matter what level of precision the clock displays). How would you know when it’s actually zero? The human race would be getting shit wrong everywhere.

But really it wouldn’t matter because a stopwatch is relative anyways. We say :00 is the end and count backwards from there.
 
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I like the horn idea. Or some remote device that causes the ball to light up when the clock hits zero. Or explode.
 

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I like the horn idea. Or some remote device that causes the ball to light up when the clock hits zero. Or explode.
In the playoff game this year, the entire Miami Dolphins offense would have been obliterated in that explosion scenario. I'm not against it, frankly. It's better than the way the NFL does it now, which is to sometimes call it and other times just let the offense snap the ball with the clock clearly reading 00. Ref's discretion is not the way.
 

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That one is hilarious but very sad for our educational system.

I think it might have been bodybuilding.com forum.
Definitely bodybuilding.com. Definitely the high point of American culture. Though this thread is getting some Interstellar vibes re time.
 

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Support for this meaningless change with upgrading all these clocks, and not holding a bakesale for the end zone cameras? 'Let's be precise for no reason with our timekeeping, but when it comes to spotting the football eh within a yard margin of error is fine.'
I know what you're saying, but tangentially I'd imagine that adding a tenth to the game clock would help with spotting because then officials would be better able to time and compare angles on replay for better ball placement.
 

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I’ve read this multiple times in the past and just re-read the first 2 pages and cracked up all over again.
I’ve read it so many times that there have been points where I start to believe the guy is right. His arguments become hypnotic.
 

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I’ve read it so many times that there have been points where I start to believe the guy is right. His arguments become hypnotic.
Right? It’s like one of those trippy films where you don’t know what’s what and your entire sanity starts to crumble. With each successive post you begin to comprehend the nature of time less and less.
 

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The idea that people in the NFL made a serious proposal about tenths of a second on the clock after burying the realities of total neglect of football PSI is beyond the pale.
 

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I remember there being some story out at the time of Hernandez's arrest that he asked Tebow to throw away one of the guns. But it fell short of the lake by 5 feet.
 

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NFL Media cans Jim Trotter, the reporter who asked Goodell at the Super Bowl (the last two, actually) when they would get a Black executive: View: https://twitter.com/profootballtalk/status/1640371766475227139?s=46&t=4DK5sD-8gsSKFExcsnEJqg
Trotter doubling down on the NFL being shifty af on diversity and I am here for it:

View: https://twitter.com/profootballtalk/status/1640714709027659776?s=46&t=4DK5sD-8gsSKFExcsnEJqg

“NFL Media told The (NY) Post that 58 percent of full-time employees hired in 2022 were people of color, and that the 3 most recent NFL Media senior hires are POC,” Trotter tweeted overnight. “My ? How many Black senior managers are in the NEWSROOM (0) & how many full-time Blacks are on the news desk (0)?”

That was the question Trotter posed directly to Goodell — diversity in management and newsroom jobs, not on-air talent or any other function.

“Please don’t fall for the banana in the tailpipe,” Trotter added. “In a league that says its player population is 60-70% Black, these men deserve to have someone w/similar cultural and life experiences at the table when decisions are being made about how they will be covered. Seems appropriate.”

Trotter added this morning some specific advice for anyone in the media who may be receiving information from NFL Media about hiring statistics.

“When someone says Person of Color, ask them for the specific data for BLACK people,” Trotter tweeted. “When someone says Media Group, ask them for specific data for the NEWSROOM. That’s on background, right @AlexRiethmiller?”

The last line expresses Trotter’s apparent belief that NFL Media spokesperson Alex Riethmiller, while declining comment on the record, has been sharing information with reporters on background.
 

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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/36069257/ex-cardinals-vp-terry-mcdonough-accuses-owner-cheating
Ex-Arizona executive Terry McDonough (son of Will, brother of Sean) accuses ownership, among other things, of forcing him and then-coach Steve Wilks to use burner phones to communicate with suspended GM Steve Keim while he was suspended in 2018 for DUI.
Some of us who grew up on the South Shore remember Terry as the McDonough who killed a teenage friend while on a drunken joyride. Dad helped him get a light sentence and protection from the biggest rat in Boston history.
 

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Some of us who grew up on the South Shore remember Terry as the McDonough who killed a teenage friend while on a drunken joyride. Dad helped him get a light sentence and protection from the biggest rat in Boston history.
As someone who had a family friend get run over by a drunk driver while rollerblading, you don’t need to be lifestyles of the rich and famous to get a slap on the wrist for that shit, at least not in the 90s.
 

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View: https://twitter.com/tompelissero/status/1645194549000654848?s=46&t=fvO_WbWLgQUXOVzxiuxvyw
“More details on Odell Beckham Jr.‘s one-year deal with the #Ravens:

$13.835 million signing bonus
$1.165 million base salary
$3M in reachable incentives

So OBJ will make at least $15 million and as much as $18M on the deal negotiated by agent Zeke Sandhu.”

With OBJ signing with the Ravens for reportedly 15million base and 3 million in incentives, what does everyone think this means for Lamar Jackson? I’d speculate the Ravens, at least, consider their position pretty strong (in retaining Jackson), because while it’s a short term deal, that’s a decent salary for a player that has not played in over a year.
 

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I did not want OBJ and am glad that he's not coming to the Pats. I didn't want him 5 years ago. The last time he was worth $15m Obama was still in office.
 

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I did not want OBJ and am glad that he's not coming to the Pats. I didn't want him 5 years ago. The last time he was worth $15m Obama was still in office.
Like always the last 20 + years, Belichick's got your back.
 
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View: https://twitter.com/tompelissero/status/1645194549000654848?s=46&t=fvO_WbWLgQUXOVzxiuxvyw
“More details on Odell Beckham Jr.‘s one-year deal with the #Ravens:

$13.835 million signing bonus
$1.165 million base salary
$3M in reachable incentives

So OBJ will make at least $15 million and as much as $18M on the deal negotiated by agent Zeke Sandhu.”

With OBJ signing with the Ravens for reportedly 15million base and 3 million in incentives, what does everyone think this means for Lamar Jackson? I’d speculate the Ravens, at least, consider their position pretty strong (in retaining Jackson), because while it’s a short term deal, that’s a decent salary for a player that has not played in over a year.
I don't think you make this deal unless you're making a push and at least think you're capable of a decent playoff run. So it would make sense with Jackson but not with a rookie QB or Huntley.

Kudos to OBJ and his agent. This is about double what I thought he'd get on a 1-year deal.
 

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I don't think you make this deal unless you're making a push and at least think you're capable of a decent playoff run. So it would make sense with Jackson but not with a rookie QB or Huntley.

Kudos to OBJ and his agent. This is about double what I thought he'd get on a 1-year deal.
Yeah, this could easily be the last meaningful contract he ever sees. Hell of a job by OBJ’s agent to secure a meaningful payday for a guy who last played in February 2022.