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I love Deebo as a player and to his credit he was impossible to tackle even prior to this year's stint as a pseudo RB. However, tying up big money in similar guys like Deebo and Kittle isn't a great long-term plan in my opinion. I just don't see how you stay consistently healthy with that type of beating. If the Niners can get a great return for him, it would hopefully recoup most of the Lance trade and potentially work out for both parties.

Ultimately I do think it's about money though - the same agent represents Deebo and AJ Brown and they're both following similar roadmaps from what I can tell.
and Deebo doesn't see it either. He's still on a rookie contract.

and I think it's about money (not in a bad way) in the sense of his long term future is being mortgaged (wear and tear on his body) by the way the 49ers are using him while underpaying him for the value he is bringing. He has to hope he dodges all potential injury, and then get lucky in getting to free agency (or getting franchised year to year).
 

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Also worth noting, they didn't start using Deebo at RB until later in the year.
Starting week 10 he averaged almost 7 carries a game. If usage is really his issue, I'm sure it's that he wanted assurances he wouldn't be looking at 7-10 carries a game going forward.
 

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The 49ers were weird last year with how they treated Aiyuk and Sermon. It almost seemed malicious the way they sat them for games and talked about their effort publicly. Kind of similar to the Jimmy G talk. I wonder if offensive players have a lack of trust in the organization.
 

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and Deebo doesn't see it either. He's still on a rookie contract.

and I think it's about money (not in a bad way) in the sense of his long term future is being mortgaged (wear and tear on his body) by the way the 49ers are using him while underpaying him for the value he is bringing. He has to hope he dodges all potential injury, and then get lucky in getting to free agency (or getting franchised year to year).
it is 100% about the money. He's due to make less than $5mil this year. He becomes an unrestricted free agent after this season, and San Fran could turn around and franchise him. If SF gave him a huge offer right now, he'd take it in a heartbeat and nobody would be talking about trade demands. They haven't, and probably have indicated that given the insanity of this offseason's WR signings, they may very well franchise him.

That means he has to avoid the injury bug for 2 more seasons before seeing his gigantic post-rookie deal. He wants a new contract, and the only way it's happening is if SF trades him. Some folks think trading a #1 from the Pats would get it done, and then the Pats would have to sign him long term.

I say, "get that shit done right now Bill."
 

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It's not good for my health to speculate about the Patriots adding Deebo Samuel to this roster. He's EASILY worth a first round pick. Make the deal, and then use the rest of your draft picks on defense and some OL and call it a day.
 

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It's not good for my health to speculate about the Patriots adding Deebo Samuel to this roster. He's EASILY worth a first round pick. Make the deal, and then use the rest of your draft picks on defense and some OL and call it a day.
I don't see it, unless you think Bill is going to franchise then trade him, I just don't see the Patriots having interest in paying top of the market $ for a WR.
 
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What is he likely to cost in a trade? I would imagine less than Hill, but not much. Pats don’t seem like a realistic possibility given how Bill resources the position.
 

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It's not good for my health to speculate about the Patriots adding Deebo Samuel to this roster. He's EASILY worth a first round pick. Make the deal, and then use the rest of your draft picks on defense and some OL and call it a day.
I'd give a first and a second plus a 20+ million dollar contract for Deebo. What good is having a QB on rookie deal if you're going to bargain shop to put guys around him?
 

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Would a #1 to SF be enough?
Agree with others that a trade like this is unlikely for New England but the Pats should be fine making a trade like that, echoing several others. The guy is one of the most unique offensive weapons on the planet. As with the other posters, its really unclear what his market looks like. The 49ers may demand more than people think for a variety of reasons but not the least of which is that he is a face of the franchise. And for good reason. He is a beast.
 

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What is he likely to cost in a trade? I would imagine less than Hill, but not much. Pats don’t seem like a realistic possibility given how Bill resources the position.
Probably a 1st and a 2nd plus, and a willingness to extend him, which is likely the catch for NE.
 

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Depending on how trade talks for Jimmy G are going (seemingly not well), the Niners may want to staple him and his contract to Deebo as part of any trade. They likely want more than just a single #1 if you're not willing to take on Jimmy G as well.
 

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What is he likely to cost in a trade? I would imagine less than Hill, but not much. Pats don’t seem like a realistic possibility given how Bill resources the position.
I think a 1st this year, a 3rd next year, and some other 4th/5th round pick somewhere gets it done, depending on how sour things are with Deebo and SF. By all accounts, BB and John Lynch have a good relationship, and if the Pats and Deebo's agent can work out the numbers on an extension, IMO, it's a no brainer.

Whether or not BB would do it and whether or not he should are two different conversations that people are having. Will he? Probably not. Should he? IMO, absofuckinglutely.
 

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We should probably figure out specifically what his objections are to how he's been used before trying to calculate his value.
 

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it is 100% about the money. He's due to make less than $5mil this year. He becomes an unrestricted free agent after this season, and San Fran could turn around and franchise him. If SF gave him a huge offer right now, he'd take it in a heartbeat and nobody would be talking about trade demands. They haven't, and probably have indicated that given the insanity of this offseason's WR signings, they may very well franchise him.

That means he has to avoid the injury bug for 2 more seasons before seeing his gigantic post-rookie deal. He wants a new contract, and the only way it's happening is if SF trades him. Some folks think trading a #1 from the Pats would get it done, and then the Pats would have to sign him long term.

I say, "get that shit done right now Bill."
I'd send a first in a cocaine heartbeat, even though I think they're likely to regress a little this year (and the pick could be top 15, even top 10).
 

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Worst case scenario is replacing Beasley in Buffalo
If you are a Patriots fan, that prospect is indeed a bad scenario. It doesn't mean the Bills will be unbeatable but having to find ways to stop Allen as well as Samuel from getting into space seems really daunting.
 
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I think a 1st this year, a 3rd next year, and some other 4th/5th round pick somewhere gets it done, depending on how sour things are with Deebo and SF. By all accounts, BB and John Lynch have a good relationship, and if the Pats and Deebo's agent can work out the numbers on an extension, IMO, it's a no brainer.

Whether or not BB would do it and whether or not he should are two different conversations that people are having. Will he? Probably not. Should he? IMO, absofuckinglutely.
Tyreek Hill was traded for a 1st, 2nd, 4th this year and 4th and 6th next year. He's 28.
Davante Adams was traded for a 1st and 2nd this year. He's 29.

Deebo is 26. He may not be as good as the other two, but he's going to last longer because he's younger. The list of successful WRs after age 30 is pretty short. So his trade value is at least the equal of Hill and Adams and might be more.

Deebo took a pounding running the ball last year. That's why he doesn't want to do it any more. The occasional jet sweep or gimmick play probably is fine, but any extended use as a RB does not appeal to him and I don't blame him.
 
Depending on how trade talks for Jimmy G are going (seemingly not well), the Niners may want to staple him and his contract to Deebo as part of any trade. They likely want more than just a single #1 if you're not willing to take on Jimmy G as well.
Jimmy G has no guaranteed money left, so any potential takers for Deebo would happily take him if that reduces the trade cost as they could immediately cut him for nothing. As could the 49ers for a minimal amount of dead cap which they're paying anyway one way or another.

I do not see Deebo to the Pats as likely. But I can definitely see why he'd want out of SF before they franchise him as a RB!
 

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Deebo took a pounding running the ball last year. That's why he doesn't want to do it any more. The occasional jet sweep or gimmick play probably is fine, but any extended use as a RB does not appeal to him and I don't blame him.
Wait, you're taking his agent at his word that this is about usage, and not money? I believe that whatever he may say about not wanting to get beat up has more to do with "not getting beat up before I sign my long term, massive deal." And then he'll go back to wanting the ball again.

Deebo Samuel has a chance of being the highest paid WR of all time, and a very large part of the reason is because he can take the ball out of the backfield (C. Patterson just got 2/10.5 as a 31 year old for the same reason and he can barely catch the ball compared to Deebo). I'll believe that Deebo Samuel doesn't want the ball in his hands as often as possible when he signs a new contract and his team uses him as often as the Rams use Cooper Kupp on the jet sweep. Until then, I don't see this as anything but public posturing by his agent to get him a new deal in SF, or get him out of SF, before he has to play this season for $4.8mil, and next season under the franchise tag.
 

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I love Deebo as a player and to his credit he was impossible to tackle even prior to this year's stint as a pseudo RB. However, tying up big money in similar guys like Deebo and Kittle isn't a great long-term plan in my opinion. I just don't see how you stay consistently healthy with that type of beating. If the Niners can get a great return for him, it would hopefully recoup most of the Lance trade and potentially work out for both parties.

Ultimately I do think it's about money though - the same agent represents Deebo and AJ Brown and they're both following similar roadmaps from what I can tell.
Same agent also represents DK Metcalf.
 

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Wait, you're taking his agent at his word that this is about usage, and not money? I believe that whatever he may say about not wanting to get beat up has more to do with "not getting beat up before I sign my long term, massive deal." And then he'll go back to wanting the ball again.

Deebo Samuel has a chance of being the highest paid WR of all time, and a very large part of the reason is because he can take the ball out of the backfield (C. Patterson just got 2/10.5 as a 31 year old for the same reason and he can barely catch the ball compared to Deebo). I'll believe that Deebo Samuel doesn't want the ball in his hands as often as possible when he signs a new contract and his team uses him as often as the Rams use Cooper Kupp on the jet sweep. Until then, I don't see this as anything but public posturing by his agent to get him a new deal in SF, or get him out of SF, before he has to play this season for $4.8mil, and next season under the franchise tag.
I think it's both. Deebo didn't run only jet sweeps. There were plays where he was in the backfield and ran RPOs and traditional sweeps, things Cooper Kupp doesn't do. Patterson was virtually useless except as a returner until he started running the ball as a WR/RB hybrid. He didn't have much of a choice if he wanted to continue to have a career in the NFL, so he adapted. Deebo has a lot of talent as a WR and he wants to take advantage of that. I think even after his inevitable massive deal, he still won't want to take that pounding. The other element is money-related too. They might try to pull the same crap the Saints did with Graham and the Niners were thinking about with Kittle (until he signed his new deal) and ensuring that they could be franchised as TEs even though they both are more like WRs who are paid more. The 49ers might try to reclassify him as a RB if they can get him enough touches on potential running plays, which will pay a lot less than WRs. They likely won't get away with it, but it will cause a lot of heartburn and Deebo may be trying to avoid that as well.
 

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I think it's both. Deebo didn't run only jet sweeps. There were plays where he was in the backfield and ran RPOs and traditional sweeps, things Cooper Kupp doesn't do. Patterson was virtually useless except as a returner until he started running the ball as a WR/RB hybrid. He didn't have much of a choice if he wanted to continue to have a career in the NFL, so he adapted. Deebo has a lot of talent as a WR and he wants to take advantage of that. I think even after his inevitable massive deal, he still won't want to take that pounding. The other element is money-related too. They might try to pull the same crap the Saints did with Graham and the Niners were thinking about with Kittle (until he signed his new deal) and ensuring that they could be franchised as TEs even though they both are more like WRs who are paid more. The 49ers might try to reclassify him as a RB if they can get him enough touches on potential running plays, which will pay a lot less than WRs. They likely won't get away with it, but it will cause a lot of heartburn and Deebo may be trying to avoid that as well.
also he's 26 he has 2 contracts left as a WR minimum, as a guy splitting time at RB.....
 

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Putting AJ Brown stuff here since it's not directly draft related. The Titans traded Brown to the Eagles yesterday for a 1st (Titans used on a WR to replace him) and a 3rd, then the Eagles signed Brown to a 4yr/100M, 57M guaranteed extension.

AJ Brown pretty open on contract negotiations. His spin - "Wanted to stay", but Titans offered around 16M/yr, Brown refused to take under 20M/yr and would have signed at 22M

View: https://twitter.com/tdavenport_nfl/status/1520045048464826371
 

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11 of the 1st round picks in the N’Keal draft had their 5th year options declined, including more than 50% of those seated after 20. So while the N’Keal pick can be rightly skewered as a miss, given the other WRs available, it is worth pointing out that a ton of teams whiffed on their 1st rounders, and it’s something we regularly see.

View: https://twitter.com/mysportsupdate/status/1521276700360912906?s=21&t=0qwuZCCMY1SXYmG8Xnu3gw
Oof. Funny how looking at it a bunch of those picks were questioned at the time of that draft. I guess Devin Bush is the only real surprise of the list, but he had injury issues, so not all that fair to make a judgement on his performance.
 

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NFL makes their new officiating hires for the season:

https://www.footballzebras.com/2022/05/12-new-officials-hired-by-the-nfl-for-the-2022-season/

Duane Heydt was the Referee for this very memorable play in this year's college football playoff championship:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7f5c3bef9k
What's your take on that call? Because I like multiple things about it. He called it early, with conviction (threw the fumble thing immediately), and it's easier to overturn the other direction than if he had simply said incomplete.
 

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I think that's one of the most impressive calls I've ever seen an official make while thinking they were insane the first time I saw it. In real time it looked like an obvious incomplete pass AND the ball going out of bounds before being recovered. But that view from behind the QB (where the official was) shows the ball is clearly moving before the throw and the defensive player did recover in bounds.

The fact he nailed it immediately was damn impressive.
 

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DeAndre Hopkins getting a 6 game suspension for PEDs.

That's too bad. Missed a bunch of time last year. I guess this was probably part of the motivation for the Brown trade. I guess if you are a Cards fan, you just hope Hopkins is ready to go for the stretch run and playoffs.
 

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11 of the 1st round picks in the N’Keal draft had their 5th year options declined, including more than 50% of those seated after 20. So while the N’Keal pick can be rightly skewered as a miss, given the other WRs available, it is worth pointing out that a ton of teams whiffed on their 1st rounders, and it’s something we regularly see.

View: https://twitter.com/mysportsupdate/status/1521276700360912906?s=21&t=0qwuZCCMY1SXYmG8Xnu3gw
The Raiders had three first round picks that year. None of those players had their fifth year option picked up.
 

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The Raiders had three first round picks that year. None of those players had their fifth year option picked up.
yep, some of that is likely that they have entirely new management and coaching. Now if any of those guys was a STAR they'd still get picked up, but if Mayock/Gruden are still there, I bet Jacobs would have. Abram maybe? Probably not, but he was much better last year than his first 2. Ferrell was not either way.
 

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That's too bad. Missed a bunch of time last year. I guess this was probably part of the motivation for the Brown trade. I guess if you are a Cards fan, you just hope Hopkins is ready to go for the stretch run and playoffs.
I guess Hopkins has no issues with illegal substances but……
 
NFL makes their new officiating hires for the season:

https://www.footballzebras.com/2022/05/12-new-officials-hired-by-the-nfl-for-the-2022-season/

Duane Heydt was the Referee for this very memorable play in this year's college football playoff championship:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7f5c3bef9k
If you didn't click on that link, note that Tony Corrente is done as a referee - Tra Blake (no idea...) is being promoted to referee from umpire.
That seems like the best slate of international games yet, isn't it?
 

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I'm missing something. Why release a corner playing at a Pro Bowl level? He played 99% of the defensive snaps last year.
The simple answer is that eventually the salary cap actually matters. They would have other options to create the space ( bad team and no salary cap space is no way to go through life in the NFL but that is where they are ) but clearly don't think it is worth it to negatively affect future cap space for one more year of the guy when they are still in rebuilding mode. And, probably rightly so, they don't want to give him another big contract at 29.
 

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The simple answer is that eventually the salary cap actually matters. They would have other options to create the space ( bad team and no salary cap space is no way to go through life in the NFL but that is where they are ) but clearly don't think it is worth it to negatively affect future cap space for one more year of the guy when they are still in rebuilding mode. And, probably rightly so, they don't want to give him another big contract at 29.
Apparently other teams agree. Couldn't find a trade partner for Bradberry and his $13M salary. $2M of that was guaranteed at the start of the league year so the Giants lost that gamble that they could trade him.