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I will believe the Niners think Lance is better than Garoppolo when I see them trotting him out over Jimmy or they move Jimmy. Maybe they waited too long to make a trade or they have no trade partners but my suspicion is they don't quite believe in Lance and the team is too good not to have someone at least Jimmy's level.
 

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Seems awful risky to trade into the lower half of the first round because you are targeting a specific player when the draft is 3+ weeks away. They know for sure how the first 15 picks will go this far out?
 

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Ignoring the overpay aspect of it, I don't get why a team like the Saints would accelerate future picks into this year's draft, when A) they're not a contender and B) it seems like this is a draft where there isn't a huge gap between picks 15-40 or whatever the numbers are.
 

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Seems awful risky to trade into the lower half of the first round because you are targeting a specific player when the draft is 3+ weeks away. They know for sure how the first 15 picks will go this far out?
Yeah and now the Eagles can trade down from 15 to 17 to let the Chargers go back ahead of the Saints.
 

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That trade seems ridiculous to me. Say whatever you want about Howie Roseman but he seems to consistently pick the pockets of other GMs.
 

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It also puts the Saints in a dicey spot at QB. If Jameis falters, they'll go into the following season without a first-round pick
 

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It also puts the Saints in a dicey spot at QB. If Jameis falters, they'll go into the following season without a first-round pick
I'm assuming they made this move for a QB. They want to grab one of the QBs but also have a few other players highly rated? Can't be to target a single player or to jump ahead the Chargers. Too early for that. I don't know. Seems risky no matter what
 

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I'm assuming they made this move for a QB. They want to grab one of the QBs but also have a few other players highly rated? Can't be to target a single player or to jump ahead the Chargers. Too early for that. I don't know. Seems risky no matter what
Good point, but 16 still seems low for a QB ... even in this draft.
 

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I'm assuming they made this move for a QB. They want to grab one of the QBs but also have a few other players highly rated? Can't be to target a single player or to jump ahead the Chargers. Too early for that. I don't know. Seems risky no matter what
I can see them targeting a semi-local Corral with 19. Not sure how soon he’ll be healthy though.
 

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Ignoring the overpay aspect of it, I don't get why a team like the Saints would accelerate future picks into this year's draft, when A) they're not a contender and B) it seems like this is a draft where there isn't a huge gap between picks 15-40 or whatever the numbers are.
I don't think NO is actually a well-run org. I think they had Brees fall into their lap (and drafted an all-pro WR in the 7th round) and had a good coach, and the combination of good coaching and a HOF QB kept them in contention for a long time, but their resource allocation is absolutely insane to me right now.
 

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That trade seems ridiculous to me. Say whatever you want about Howie Roseman but he seems to consistently pick the pockets of other GMs.
I think the Eagles expect to be a playoff team this year but still don't think Hurts is the guy long-term. If this works the way they hope, the Saints' pick next year will be their QB of the future.
 

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I think the Eagles expect to be a playoff team this year but still don't think Hurts is the guy long-term. If this works the way they hope, the Saints' pick next year will be their QB of the future.
I think they honestly don't know if Hurts is the guy long-term. I don't either. So they've got another year to see and now they have some extra gunpowder to make a QB move if need be. Seems logical. The other bits are that 1st round picks are expensive and having three isn't necessarily great for cap management, and there's a ton of upside with that Saints pick as it could very easily be top-10.

I don't know what the Saints were thinking; especially this far out from the draft.
 
I don't know what the Saints were thinking; especially this far out from the draft.
The bolded is the key point here: this is the kind of trade you make on draft day, when you know who is available to you at #16. Doing this now, no matter who they are targeting, makes very little sense to me. But of course, I'm a Falcons fan, so I'm not unhappy about it!
 

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It also puts the Saints in a dicey spot at QB. If Jameis falters, they'll go into the following season without a first-round pick
Jameis is pretty good. He was having a tidy season and the Saints were winning. Then he tore his ACL.

Jameis isn't the problem if he's healthy. If Taysom or Trevor Simian are your QBs, then you've got a gargantuan problem.
 

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Pre-draft pick swaps seem always seem like odd panic moves to me. Not only do they not know who will be available, but they also gave everyone else way more time to adjust.

If a team like SD wanted to jump up in real time, that might be tough to pull off. Now they have all the time in the world to get a better sense of the market and have something set up.

Of course most good teams are likely doing that to some degree anyway, but it's a huge advantage for them to know these things weeks in advance.
 

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Is it too late to lol at the Saints?

Love this for the Eagles - gives them a ton of extra draft capital if they decide Hurts isn't the guy (he isn't) in a year where there are actually QBs to draft.
 

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Bills smartly going all in during their window.
What is their window? I personally doubt that Josh Allen continues to play at this level--he's going to start running a lot less pretty soon and I think this season was a bit of an anomaly from a passing perspective--but he's 25 so you have to think the window is 6-10 years of longer.
 

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Bourne and Parker's contracts look very good right now. I know neither is in the class of Hill or Diggs or Adams, but they're still good receivers making but a fraction of what those other guys are.
 

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What is their window? I personally doubt that Josh Allen continues to play at this level--he's going to start running a lot less pretty soon and I think this season was a bit of an anomaly from a passing perspective--but he's 25 so you have to think the window is 6-10 years of longer.
How was this season an anomaly from the passing perspective when his 2020 was even better on that front? Dude is just an incredible player and in regards to his running I think they'll just start saving during the regular season and then go all out in the playoffs.
 

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What is their window? I personally doubt that Josh Allen continues to play at this level--he's going to start running a lot less pretty soon and I think this season was a bit of an anomaly from a passing perspective--but he's 25 so you have to think the window is 6-10 years of longer.
Josh Allen is 25 years of age and last season he had the most yards rushing(763) by far in his career. He also passed a little better in 2020, too.
 

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What is their window? I personally doubt that Josh Allen continues to play at this level--he's going to start running a lot less pretty soon and I think this season was a bit of an anomaly from a passing perspective--but he's 25 so you have to think the window is 6-10 years of longer.
I think the next 3-4 years is their prime window before Diggs and some on their defense age out. This is a team that is really close to winning it all so I like that they’re sparing no expense.
 

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Josh Allen is 25 years of age and last season he had the most yards rushing(763) by far in his career. He also passed a little better in 2020, too.
Josh Allen isn't going to be running it forever--the number of QBs who ran it well after they turn about 28 is essentially Vick and Newton. I think his overall 2021 performance is closer to the passer we're going to see than 2020 but the "Josh Allen in the playoffs of against the pats" performance we saw in 2022 is a far cry from what we're going to see over time in the future.

But even if he doesn't run as much and even if he he's only roughly the passer he was in 2021 as a whole, that's still a really good QB so it makes me think there's no actual window for the Bills as long as he's there, which is the central point.
 

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What is their window? I personally doubt that Josh Allen continues to play at this level--he's going to start running a lot less pretty soon and I think this season was a bit of an anomaly from a passing perspective--but he's 25 so you have to think the window is 6-10 years of longer.
In what way? His passing stats were better across the board in 2020 (completion percentage, yards, yards per attempt, adjusted yards per attempt, more TDs, fewer interceptions) and it's reflected both in his passer rating (107.2 to 92.2) and QBR (76.6 to 60.7). It's entirely possible that he has to start running less or face a shorter prime than top QBs typically hope for nowadays.
 

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In what way? His passing stats were better across the board in 2020 (completion percentage, yards, yards per attempt, adjusted yards per attempt, more TDs, fewer interceptions) and it's reflected both in his passer rating (107.2 to 92.2) and QBR (76.6 to 60.7). It's entirely possible that he has to start running less or face a shorter prime than top QBs typically hope for nowadays.
Yeah so to clarify (and I was called out correctly by a bunch of folks) I was thinking about the remarkable run Allen was on at the end of the season and the playoffs--his 2021 season as a whole was clearly not an anomaly given his better 2020 season. If I were a betting man I'd predict he'd perform at roughly his overall 2021 rate going foreward with the running numbers dropping quite a bit in 2024 give or take.