First 15 years of HC career is my guess for Tomlin. Not sure what BB's record was in Cleveland.
Yeah it's poorly written, but they mean to start a head coaching career (the tell is that he broke Schottenheimer's record, which was also to start a head coaching career).
Ah. That makes sense.
Is that just to start a career? Or for people who have only coached one place?
Yeah the only other that comes to mind was 2018 regular season revenge for the 2017 regular season game... but then the Pats won it all while the Steelers missed the playoffs.
Yep. Tomlin really has done an amazing job.
Coaching in the NFL is very difficult. Tomlin's record of success is excellent.
Do you hold yourself to this same standard of success? I find the need to diminish someone who is objectively great at their job to be quite petty.
Tomlin's teams have never over achieved and seem to have a bad habit of under achieving.
Depends how he's being rated, I guess. Nobody thinks he's Bill Belichick (and he's not Andy Reid either), but after those guys there's no one else clearly better than him. There's maybe a half dozen guys vying for 3rd best, and he's right in the mix. It'll be interesting to see how he does with a new QB next year, but if I had to pick one active head coach to be 1st all time in wins 40 years from now, he's the guy. He's 3rd among active HCs in wins and 20th all-time, and he's still just 49. Among the 20 HCs with the most wins, he's 5th in winning percentage (Halas, Shula, Belichick, Brown). Unless someone is arguing he's the 1st or 2nd best HC right now, I don't see how he's overrated.
They're over .500 despite being outscored by 58 points. The QB is finished, the OL is horrible and this might be the worst run defense in franchise history. Now, you could argue some of that is his doing (I don't know exactly how much he buys the groceries or has personnel input) but this team has no business being above .500.
I revise my statement, this is a good point. They have definitely overachieved this year.
He also went 8-8 two years ago with Mason Rudolph and Duck Hodges. They won 12 games last year when Baltimore was pretty unanimously picked to win the division. I'd say he's overachieved plenty.
That's where I land with him. Belichick and Reid are Tier A and Tomlin is probably towards the top of Tier B with Harbaugh, Payton, and a few others.
Tomlin and Harbaugh are tough evaluations because they're successful coaches in great programs who don't have as clear a hand in the offense/defense/personnel as some of the other great coaches. So is running a team, managing a staff, game day coaching, keeping the locker room running smoothly, motivation of players, etc. enough even if you're not getting the Xs and Os that you might not get the play calling and scheme that you would with a Payton and Reid? I' a hundred percent in the yes camp and would be tomlin and harbaugh up very high but I think there is a discussion.
I think it's similar to leaders with different managerial philosophies. Some are hands-on, micromanage-y types while others put more power in subordinates. Neither is right or wrong, just different - the first relies on your smarts and the second relies on your ability to identify and cultivate talented people.
Agree very much with these takes. I'd personally rank Harbaugh > Payton > Tomlin but that is pretty clearly the 2nd tier of coaches. Carroll used to be in that group too but I think you have to downgrade him after the last couple years.
Yeah, Pittsburgh when we had Brady was basically:
There’s also an alternate universe where the Steelers go with Whisenhunt instead of Tomlin after Cowher retired.
There's also an argument to be made that Tomlin is merely competent and that their GM Kevin Colbert is the real secret to PIT's continued success.
Probably not - as long as his shoulder wasn’t repeatedly dislocating (which I doubt because he would not have played through that), it should be a fairly straightforeward surgery and recovery
Would have been interesting to actually see the Steelers ownership put to the test with regard to the fact that they never fire coaches.
Has LA said anything about not hosting the SB because of Covid issues or something? Or is this all behind the scenes stuff?
Unless things have changed in less than a day, LA county said they are full speed ahead for hosting the SB
https://sports.yahoo.com/super-bowl-expected-to-be-held-at-full-capacity-la-county-says-201150321.html
Unless Boomer is willing to identify the source, I think we can assume this is some straight-up bullshit. Especiallly because the mere fact of him releasing the information pretty much guarantees that it won’t happen.
BWAHAHAHA.
It'd have to be a city or state wide shutdown. You tell me if that's actually in their plans. I had thought they might want to move it if they are forced to have no fans but I think the logistics would be too much. But a shutdown, yes.
