Marshon Lattimore to the Commanders.
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What if we built the entire offense out of contested sideline routes?
What if we built the entire offense out of contested sideline routes?
Sort of makes sense, though. Williams primary asset is deep routes, which is also Wilson's strength
Mingo was an overpay, but he's also a 23 year old with multiple seasons left at under $2M per. Williams is a 30+ expiring player.
Going to be very interesting a few years from now comparing the Washington rebuild strategy to the Pats’
Both teams landing exciting young QB. Both teams with bad rosters entering the offseason. Washington prioritizing bringing in talent and highly regarded external voices (Kingsbury, Peters). The Pats basically running it back with the same roster and internal guys.
not a fan of Dan Quinn but perhaps this will be a redemption arc for him.
Both teams landing exciting young QB. Both teams with bad rosters entering the offseason. Washington prioritizing bringing in talent and highly regarded external voices (Kingsbury, Peters). The Pats basically running it back with the same roster and internal guys.
not a fan of Dan Quinn but perhaps this will be a redemption arc for him.
yeah, Williams doesn’t seem to have much left in the tank but what he does have fits in well with what Wilson likes to do
I'm just going with Belichick is shadow GM'ing the Cowboys right now, until McCarthy is fired and he can take on the role next season.
Because if anyone thinks Jonathan Mingo can be a player, it's probably Bill. Isn't Mike Lombardi Bill's media guy?
If so, check this out:
https://nesn.com/2024/11/rumored-suitor-for-patriots-wideout-opts-for-different-trade/
Dallas on Tuesday acquired second-year wideout Jonathan Mingo from the Carolina Panthers, as first reported by NFL Media’s Tom Pelissero. The Cowboys received Mingo and a seventh-round pick in exchange for a fourth-rounder.
The deal came after the Cowboys were mentioned in trade speculation including Patriots receiver Tyquan Thornton. Former NFL executive Mike Lombardi, a weekly guest on NESN’s “Foxboro Rush” podcast, recently expressed the Cowboys were talking about Thornton.
As i posted in another thread that the Mingo move is almost as bad as giving up a 2nd for Sanu.
Yeah, I mean, can the Pats pull off something like that? (with them being the team giving up the WR)
Well, while all you've said is true, we all were basically 100% certain that Jayden Daniels was going to be much better than Maye right out of the gate. He is two years older and is much more prepared. So they could hit the ground running with Daniels. The strategy doesn't work so well if the QB is a typical rookie.
https://www.patriots.com/news/patriots-make-a-series-of-roster-moves-x4278
Few moves, released Zach Thomas, released Hudson from the practice squad, added Monty Rice to the PS.
Rice is a LB, was a 3rd round pick out of Georgia in 2021, played 3 years for TEN, 2022 was the best of them where he was in the LB rotation (41% of defensive snaps)... probably a STer if he ever makes the game-day roster
Few moves, released Zach Thomas, released Hudson from the practice squad, added Monty Rice to the PS.
Rice is a LB, was a 3rd round pick out of Georgia in 2021, played 3 years for TEN, 2022 was the best of them where he was in the LB rotation (41% of defensive snaps)... probably a STer if he ever makes the game-day roster
Looks like they added a G from the Vikings practice squad.
https://www.patspulpit.com/2024/11/5/24288720/patriots-signing-tyrese-robinson-vikings-practice-squad-analysis
yeah they announced that this morning. I assume the release of Thomas was to make room.
I don’t think it was 100% certain Daniels was going to be any good, let alone better than Maye, let alone right away. He was more experienced for sure. I don’t know how much that extra experience informed the rest of the decisions they’ve made with regards to their rebuild.
Presumably you’re being facetious but Mingo doesn’t at all fit what BB liked in WR.
I think he fits perfect, because from what I can tell, BB liked young WR that are not very good, or terrible.
But yes, it was facetious. Frankly, I'm not even sure what BB looked for in a receiver, speed like Thornton, contested catch ability like Harry, the Chad Jacksons, the Bethel Johnson's, and on and on....The only real common variable seemed to be "shitty."
It's so wild how often BB swung and missed at that position. Yet with Brady, the Pats always had a great passing attack. And not *just* because of Brady either. The Pats had some terrific ball-catchers, even if they weren't always top-flight WRs.
Troy Brown
Deion Branch
Kevin Faulk
Randy Moss
Wes Welker
Rob Gronkowski
Aaron Hernandez
Julian Edelman
Shane Vereen
Danny Woodhead
Marcellus Bennett
Ben Watson
James White
Chris Hogan
Danny Amendola
There's a lot of talent on that list.
I don’t know that the common variable is “shitty” in terms of prospect. The results generally were shitty but I think it’s overblown by Pats fans to some degree
they invested less premium draft capital in WR than just about any other team in the league. Late 2nd round and even late 1st round guys have higher bust rates than people seem to acknowledge, even more so at certain positions (including WR).
Jackson was thought to be a steal, Harry was drafted about where he was projected. Thornton and Bethel Johnson were reaches. None of them panned out but the success rate at those draft slots isn’t great. The difference between “average drafter” and “omg Bb can’t draft WR” is probably like one guy. It’s a small sample size all things considered where the success rate is under 50% cumulatively (picks ~30-64) Maybe if Jackson doesn’t tear his ACL or if Thornton could stay healthy or if they had better coaches or if if if.
Mind you, I’m not saying BB was good at drafting WR. I just think there’s a lot of variance in a fairly small sample and not a lot of investment in the position. People bag on the Harry pick but would we feel any better if they took Arcega-Whiteside, Hurd, Hardman or Isabella (guys taken before Metcalf)?
That's all fair, but there's a pretty big sample size. How many other coaches/GM's have the opportunity to draft for as long as he did. It's also pretty recent history, his list of failures is pretty long:
Thornton: 50th overall
Harry: 32nd overall
Dobson: 59th overall
Boyce: 102nd
Taylor Price: 90th
Brandon Tate: 83rd
Jackson: 36th
Johnson: 45th
I mean, you got to hit on something. I realize you aren't going to hit on all of them. The only non-bust that he took at WR in the 1st 3 rounds was Branch in 2002. Yeah, he traded for Moss and Welker and got Gronk, converted Edelman and had a bunch of good receivers out of the backfield, so he didn't have to take a lot of swings, but it was not good when he even tried. I'm not looking for a 100% hit rate, but damn, 20%, 10%?
That reason is that he played for one season. But you’re right: Mitchell should be included. He may have been a Givens-like option for a number of years had his knee not turned to dust.
As for @Deathofthebambino ‘s point, I suspect it’s as simple as that Belichick teams drafted fewer receivers than most teams and at lower slots. Gotta think @BaseballJones has a big post in him about this along the lines of his great “Belichick was a better drafter than you think” post from a year or two ago.
But that's also an active choice the Pats made. Bo Nix is even older than Daniels.
My #1 take about the Commanders, is the same one I had all last year throughout the year....
They got the #2 pick by underperforming their talent significantly, and it was a conscious choice... they were terribly coached, and their roster choices were all geared towards tanking (they had a number of games where Howell was terrible, then they benched him late and Brissett immediately had them scoring to the extent it was clear they would likely win with him) their line also got underrated a bit, it wasn't great, but it was better than it looked because Sam Howell dropped back 40+ times a game and took a TON of bad sacks.
The Patriots were in some ways the opposite, they were very well coached on one side of the ball, and they were clearly trying to win they just lacked talent on offense.
They got the #2 pick by underperforming their talent significantly, and it was a conscious choice... they were terribly coached, and their roster choices were all geared towards tanking (they had a number of games where Howell was terrible, then they benched him late and Brissett immediately had them scoring to the extent it was clear they would likely win with him) their line also got underrated a bit, it wasn't great, but it was better than it looked because Sam Howell dropped back 40+ times a game and took a TON of bad sacks.
The Patriots were in some ways the opposite, they were very well coached on one side of the ball, and they were clearly trying to win they just lacked talent on offense.
Can we assume the Pats did not receive a single offer of any kind for any of their receivers. Because if they did and turned them down, I'd sue for malpractice
The Pats had no choice regarding Daniels, unless you're saying that because they didn't trade up for him or something.
Is this where I post "Chaim Wolf likes what the Patriots are building towards"?
I have a hard time believing much if anything was offered. Bourne I can kind of squint and see why they might want more than, say, a 6th rounder for given that you probably want another veteran receiver to use the second half of this season to have Drake throwing to beyond Henry.
The Thornton to Dallas rumor never made any sense at all to me.
I'm saying if the Pats wanted to draft a rookie QB that was age 24+ and more ready to play immediately, they could have done that.
Bo Nix is by far the most overrated QB on these fora. Maye's last couple of games have been much better than Nix's.
Pats claimed Yannick Ngakoue from the Ravens
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Man, this front office isn't playing with vets who don't play well
Raekwon has been bad most of this year, but he was getting >50% of defensive snaps as recently as three weeks ago. I mean, once it was clear he wasn't doing much against the run or in coverage I didn't think he had much of a future. But I wasn't expecting a move this fast.
Hope nobody in that locker room is getting too comfortable...
Raekwon has been bad most of this year, but he was getting >50% of defensive snaps as recently as three weeks ago. I mean, once it was clear he wasn't doing much against the run or in coverage I didn't think he had much of a future. But I wasn't expecting a move this fast.
Hope nobody in that locker room is getting too comfortable...
Right? I don't get the Nix love. His running ability is good, but he looks ...very mediocre. Imperfect comparison, but a bit Fields like. That's ok -- handled right, as Nix is in Denver and Fields was in Pitt, can win some games with that type of QB. But I don't see the upside needed to truly be a good QB who can advance a team.
I mean, he's a 29 year old who outside of a short injury necessitated stretch ealier in the year has been more a STer than a defensive rotation player since like 2019, has missed 2 years to injury and has no upside.... he's the definition of end of roster guy.
Oh, I completely agree
My reaction was more that when Bentley went down I felt like I heard a lot of "We believe in the guys we've got behind him" talk from the coaching staff. Which, I mean of course they're going to say that. But having said that to the press, some front offices and coaches would feel more committed to keeping Raekwon around. Partly to avoid/dodge people questioning whether they'd been wrong to believe in the 'guys behind him'.
I've been down on McMillian for a while. I just didn't expect the franchise to cut him this soon after hyping him while making him a starter.
I'm all for moving on. Let's see if we see something from one of the other LBs on the roster or practice squad.
So looking at the snap counts...
Week 1- McMillan didn't play on D at all
Week 2- Played a lot
Week 3- Played a lot
Week 4- Played a lot (but Ellis started to eat in)
Week 5- Played a good amount (But Ellis ate in a little more)
Week 6- TakiTaki and Mapu return, his snaps drop a little more
Week 7- He gets benched (drops under 20% snaps), even with TakiTaki out, he's lost his role to Ellis
Week 8 and 9... he's getting maybe a dozen snaps.
I think they actually did believe in the guys behind Bentley... it's just which ones they went with changed as guys got healthy and Ellis came on.
My guess is Takitaki takes the extra 10 or so snaps. This week will be alittle interesting because Ellis is out, but they've also played a bit more 3 S looks (or Mapu at LB if you prefer).
Yeah, that's my read too
And, I mean, I approve. McMillan got an extended shot. Missed his run gaps, wasn't able to get to where he needed to be in pass coverage, and was increasingly exploited by other teams over the month that he was getting a lot of snaps
Once the coaching staff had other options, they took them, and now he's gone. I'm all for it. And maybe I shouldn't be surprised it happened as fast as it did. But I guess I was.
Shefter says Dak is done for the year. Having surgery.
Report: Cowboys' Prescott plans to undergo season-ending surgery
https://thescore.com/nfl/news/3123388
Report: Cowboys' Prescott plans to undergo season-ending surgery
https://thescore.com/nfl/news/3123388
This was predictable. Bears fire Waldron.
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Used to be, no matter how badly a Patriots' opponent played, the coach was safe, because Patriots. Now it's the opposite. Losing to the Patriots is the last straw. Kind of fun, in a dark way.